pinning

I think quite a few better players know this stroke, but don't think of it as anything more than putting a stroke to the cue ball. I heard it called, "digging into the cue ball" by billiard players. Pool players called it, "quick spin".

The stroke makes the sound it does because of the way the tip rides off of the cue ball at contact. It approaches the miscue limit and beyond while moving through the cue ball instead of off and away. I feel a slight miscue wanting to happen at times, but that's when I know I hit the shot well.

The stroke is a quick movement slightly off of the stroking line to change the "angle of attack" on the cue ball. I use my hand to finish the stroke and create the change in the cuing direction. This allows the edge of the tip to come in contact with the cue ball and create the "pinning" sound.

The "acceleration", is the feel of the quick, last second cue manipulation. In essence, it's similar to a "piqueing" to all contact points on the cue ball. It's one of the ways I gauge a player's speed...whether they know what the stroke is called or not. :D

Best,
Mike
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Ok. So pinning consists of two elements:
1. Hitting the cueball with the edge of the tip
2. Accellerating at impact.
Which leads to a "higher pitched sound" and more ball action.

I have only one cue that truely "pings" which is a custom with an old growth shaft. The one thing I've found about the sound of the cue is that it tends to ping more with a loose grip and a bad stroke. If I truely accellerate at the right time it tends to make less noise, rather than more. The sweetest sound and feeling comes when you hit the absolute center of the cueball with the center of the tip at the correct point in the stroke.

It is true that the cue impact makes a different sound when you hit the ball further from the center, especially approaching the miscue limit, but you can't get that sound hitting close to the center, other than with an angled cue (which would mean that you are hitting the same "percentage" of the cue ball as the level, off center version). It would also mean you are shooting a massè or pique, or some upward version of those (the latter is rareley possible at all because of the rails).

Jump to 6:15 for the sound difference in draw shots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFEw-BXgKrQ
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Okay....one exception.

Nice post.
 
CJ Wiley said:
It's not just hitting the cue ball with the edge of the tip, it's also how the cue accelerates at contact. Buddy Hall used to impress me with this technique when I was just a teenager, practicing with him down in Tampa Fl at Bakers.

It's obvious that we can make the cue ball react quicker than most players - and there's no physical reason? Buddy Hall is the first one to tell me how it's done, and he was certainly the master at pinning the cue ball with the edge of his tip.

Of course there is, and whether a player calls it "Pinning" or not is beside the point. I've personally never heard it called by any other name on this forum, or anywhere else.
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Dave Yeager was another player that came out of the Buddy Hall stable. He rarely turned the cue ball loose with a short, jacked up "punch" stroke. He had the cue ball on a string and spun it with little effort.

We used to joke about charging him less for time since the cue ball had less mileage on it.

Best,
Mike
 
I know why nobody understands what's going on: We have to change the term from "pinning" to "PIN". Having 3 letters makes all the difference in the world:):):)
 
(((Satori))) said:
It was not too long ago that you were on a mission to prove Pat Flemming wrong because he said that you would never be able to run 100 in straight pool. Now you have an ama thread for all pool related topics and are even telling SJD what is what in a pool stroke. Times have changed I guess.

P.S. How long did it take you to prove Pat wrong?
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Pat said in my lifetime so I have plenty of time LOL I am not a straight pool player and noone in my home room ever plays it so it's not something I will likely get around to anytime soon... I was going to attempt it at one point and my flip camera took a crap and I just now have a decent camera again so who knows... I may get bored testing things before long....

As far as telling SJD what a stroke is I have reread what I posted and all I saw was me giving Dick a hard time and him dishing it back which is pretty much what we do... He won't take it personal and I don't either..

It's harmless sparring in this instance and we have talked on PMs so I know it to be the case or I wouldn't give him a hard time every once in awhile...

Dick has the ability to liven up the forums with stories and will occasionally do so and I appreciate that aspect along with his ability to come back with a quick retort....
 
SJDinPHX said:
Sorry Renfro, but your explanation makes even less sense than CJ's !..Yes, I did take 20 years off, but I probably still have more 'road miles' playing pool, than either of you ! :rolleyes:
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Yeah yeah... We aren't going to whip out our mileages and compare... There are children and ladies present =P Hope your health is holding up and good to see you posting even if you are in the "get off my yard" mode LOL
 
On the video of Mike Sigel's peerless 150 & out against Zuglan in the 1992 US Open held in NYC, Bill Staton had some mighty complimentary things to say about San Jose Dick's gambling "heart" and sheer playing ability. Nice legacy words from an impeccable source ("Weenie Beanie" Bill Staton). Grady and Bill were the excellent commentators, joined by Johnny Ervolino near the end of the taping session.

Arnaldo
 
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arnaldo said:
On the video of Mike Sigel's peerless 150 & out against Zuglan in the 1992 US Open held in NYC, Bill Staton had some mighty complimentary things to say about San Jose Dick's gambling "heart" and sheer playing ability. I can Youtube an approx. 15-second clip of his words for SJD if he's never had the pleasurable moment of hearing them. Nice legacy words from an impeccable source ("Weenie Beanie" Bill Staton).

Arnaldo
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Not ever had the pleasure of watching the match... I for one would love to hear it if you do... I am a Weenie Beanie fan and he is actually the originator of the word "Outsville" from what I have researched.....
 
The Renfro said:
Pat said in my lifetime so I have plenty of time LOL I am not a straight pool player and noone in my home room ever plays it so it's not something I will likely get around to anytime soon... I was going to attempt it at one point and my flip camera took a crap and I just now have a decent camera again so who knows... I may get bored testing things before long....

As far as telling SJD what a stroke is I have reread what I posted and all I saw was me giving Dick a hard time and him dishing it back which is pretty much what we do... He won't take it personal and I don't either..

It's harmless sparring in this instance and we have talked on PMs so I know it to be the case or I wouldn't give him a hard time every once in awhile...

Dick has the ability to liven up the forums with stories and will occasionally do so and I appreciate that aspect along with his ability to come back with a quick retort....
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"Harmless sparring". Lol.

Give em enough rope...
 
You were not considered a road player, I'd never even heard of you before this forum.
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That would make 2, because before I found AZB, I had heard of all the All Time Great Players, Earl, Effren, Johnny Archer, Buddy Hall etc, but I had not heard of CJ Wiley.

Funny how things work, eh.

Can't wait for the next DVD, TOP.

Touch of Pinning.

Was Touch of Banking ever released?

Yeah, I know Touch of Wallet was released at the same time TOI came out.
 
arnaldo said:
On the video of Mike Sigel's peerless 150 & out against Zuglan in the 1992 US Open held in NYC, Bill Staton had some mighty complimentary things to say about San Jose Dick's gambling "heart" and sheer playing ability. Nice legacy words from an impeccable source ("Weenie Beanie" Bill Staton). Grady and Bill were the excellent commentators, joined by Johnny Ervolino near the end of the taping session.

Arnaldo
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Arnaldo, thanks for the complimentary mention...The only problem is, given his limited exposure to 'old schooler's',
CJ probably has never heard of Bill Staton either ! ;) ;) ;)

PS.. Surprised Renfro knew of him..:D
 
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At no time did anyone take my picture on the road...that's ludicrous!!!

SJDinPHX said:
Maybe that could be to my credit,..Cooney didn't do bad operating that way, did he ? ..Very few "Roadmen" had a crew of photographer's following them around, to record their every move like you did ! :rolleyes:

PS..You apparently heard enough about me, to avoid me on your last trip to Phoenix..(when I was in my late 60's)
...You could have gotten played with, real high ! ;)
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You are definitely delusional. At no time did anyone take my picture on the road.

Face it, you were not a big gambler, and you were not discussed by road players. I'm one of the few gamblers that's won over a million dollars in high dollar matches, and you were NEVER mentioned as a potential opponent........NOT ONCE!!!

We knew 100% of the action players in the United States, and you were not included. Down in Ft. Worth you're remembered as a "good playing short stop".....that's all.
 
I was never mentioned with the likes of Earl Strickland, Johnny Archer, Mike Sigel,

Blue Hog ridr said:
That would make 2, because before I found AZB, I had heard of all the All Time Great Players, Earl, Effren, Johnny Archer, Buddy Hall etc, but I had not heard of CJ Wiley.

Funny how things work, eh.

Can't wait for the next DVD, TOP.

Touch of Pinning.

Was Touch of Banking ever released?

Yeah, I know Touch of Wallet was released at the same time TOI came out.
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You're right, I was never mentioned with the likes of Earl Strickland, Johnny Archer, Mike Sigel, and Efren Reyes. :groucho:

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CJ Wiley said:
You're right, I was never mentioned with the likes of Earl Strickland, Johnny Archer, Mike Sigel, and Efren Reyes. :groucho:
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How could 'Blue Hog Ridr' not have noticed your favorite author's quote before ???...YOU average posting it about 7 or 8 times per thread ! (est 5,000 views) ..The only claim I think you may have made more often, is calling me a 'non-playing shortstop'!..If you don't mind, I'll take Alfie, Jersey Red, or Beanies version, over your fellow 'APA League team', C-player's remarks ! :grin:...You should be ashamed of yourself, for 'dodging' me in Phoenix !..Forget "the Game"..."I Would Have Been Your Teacher" :groucho:

PS..I see you missed a coupla' posts again..(50 & 51) :p
 
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