PLEASE READ old westinghouse micarta

Why?

This thread has been very informative and all...but I really don't see any reason why micarta with asbestos is, or would be, any better than micarta without it...so why would anyone want it...just cause it's obviously rare (for a reason)? Or have I missed something completely? Is there something about asbestos that gives the micarta a superior feel and distinctive hit? Or do some players want it cause its made with something "dangerous"...which makes them way cooler than the guy with the regular stuff?

IMO...I would rather have anything made without asbestos...and would think micarta without asbestos should cost more...

But what do I know...my ferrule is ivorine 3:D
 
Rep for you....Exactly what I was thinking!!

I figure the old Micarta without the asbestos would be worth more......I'm charging 100.00 installed for each ferrule and my main selling point...it has no asbestos in it..lol. Actually, the $100.00 include a new Molavia tip as well.


kbooks3 said:
This thread has been very informative and all...but I really don't see any reason why micarta with asbestos is, or would be, any better than micarta without it...so why would anyone want it...just cause it's obviously rare (for a reason)? Or have I missed something completely? Is there something about asbestos that gives the micarta a superior feel and distinctive hit? Or do some players want it cause its made with something "dangerous"...which makes them way cooler than the guy with the regular stuff?

IMO...I would rather have anything made without asbestos...and would think micarta without asbestos should cost more...

But what do I know...my ferrule is ivorine 3:D
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kbooks3 said:
This thread has been very informative and all...but I really don't see any reason why micarta with asbestos is, or would be, any better than micarta without it...so why would anyone want it...just cause it's obviously rare (for a reason)? Or have I missed something completely? Is there something about asbestos that gives the micarta a superior feel and distinctive hit? Or do some players want it cause its made with something "dangerous"...which makes them way cooler than the guy with the regular stuff?

IMO...I would rather have anything made without asbestos...and would think micarta without asbestos should cost more...

But what do I know...my ferrule is ivorine 3:D
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I agree with you. The asbestos based material is more favored by discerning players, but I truly believe that 99% of the players could not tell the difference...it is only that 1% of top-end players who can really appreciate the subtle differences in most ferrule materials...of course, then the tip types come into play, too.

Having asbestos or paper in the ferrule would not have any health impact for the player, but it would have a safety impact on the installer and whoever frequents his/her workshop.

People tend to take the risk of asbestos as being non-existant, but it is real.

I was in the Navy a long time ago. Adm Elmo Zumwalt was the CNO. I got to know Adm Zumwalt when we both lived in Fayettevile, NC and I worked in Educational Television. Adm Zumwalt died from mesothelioma from asbestos exposure.

Joe
 
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Maybe a moot point, but I would think the asbestos fibers in the Micarta would make the ferrule a lighter in density than the paper Micarta and hence contribute to less squirt, all else equal. That is probably where some of the magic comes from in the asbestos Micarta. I bought a dozen of Perry's ferrules and I am not unhappy. I also greatly appreciate the product knowledge Marcus brought to the discussion. I learned a lot and am no longer a complete dummy about Micarta ferrules:grin-square: Newer ferrule installation techniques which include larger tennon and no cap help reduce ferrule and shaft end mass, so the paper phenolic Micarta ferrules installed this way should play real nice and stay clean as a whistle. JMO, ICBW. Martin




Bamacues said:
I agree with you. The asbestos based material is more favored by discerning players, but I truly believe that 99% of the players could not tell the difference...it is only that 1% of top-end players who can really appreciate the subtle differences in most ferrule materials...of course, then the tip types come into play, too.

Having asbestos or paper in the ferrule would not have any health impact for the player, but it would have a safety impact on the installer and whoever frequents his/her workshop.

People tend to take the risk of asbestos as being non-existant, but it is real.

I was in the Navy a long time ago. Adm Elmo Zumwalt was the CNO. I got to know Adm Zumwalt when we both lived in Fayettevile, NC and I worked in Educational Television. Adm Zumwalt died from mesothelioma from asbestos exposure.

Joe
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Like I said

It was used because it was cheap. Better materials are available now.
Argue all you want. I never liked the stuff. Helmstetter used it on the Stambolini cues. Maybe you all should try one of those out. You will not be impressed.
Nick :)
 
What a difference a day makes!!

nick serdula said:
It was used because it was cheap. Better materials are available now.
Argue all you want. I never liked the stuff. Helmstetter used it on the Stambolini cues. Maybe you all should try one of those out. You will not be impressed.
Nick :)
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Nicki. Your spelling has imoroved a lot since yesterday. An ole' ****cussion can't keep you down pal. I still think that ivory is more gooder.l.o.l.
"country" Bob
 
I know every one is worried about the exposure to asbestos, let me just say this, the amount you breath in off 1 asbestos based Micarta ferrule isn't enough to make you sick or kill you. The people who are sick and dying because of asbestos, have been exposed to it for long periods of time, months to years. I'm not saying when using it you shouldn't use a mask, but to be afraid of it is alittle over the top.

And yes I have talked to a doctor about it, and my uncle own's a house/building moving buisness, and he went to classes for working with, removing, and disposing of asbestos based materials. And of course theres the good old internet, you could find a lot of info on here if you search.

Now FAST & LOOSE, my email is: fisher_bryan@hotmail.com

I expect a lot of butt shot's and other pics of beautiful women sent to my email.
 
So many micartas....

Hi Again,

In case you have trouble blowing up and reading the Westinghouse catalog (if you have not already purchased it), note the varieties:

Absorbent paper
Fine, medium, and coarse weave fabrics
Asbestos fabric
Asbestos paper
Kraft paper
Glass silicone cloth

I hope I have read these correctly. There may be more, on other pages of the catalog. Also note the different properties listed, e.g., impact.

One would need a lab to distinguish these. Hmmmn.

Take care,

Nick
 
I just got back from trying out a new shaft installed with this Micarta (threaded - thru ferrule) I got from Percy and I must say that it is a very desirable hit. I have an old shaft with an old yellow micarta ferrule on it and honestly, the stuff I got from Percy plays better. It has a real sweet feel and a nice little ping to it. I put on a Kamui Black Hard tip and the butt is a 5/16x14 SS joint.

Normally, I play ivory and I like ivory better, but this material provides a unique hit all in itself, and it is something different that I myself find very desirable, and it's nice to change things up once in a while. Of course, other variables must be there such as good wood and clean installation, but, I promised to give my opinion so here it is.

All this talk about asbestos and the fact that this material may not have it is so totally unimportant to me, it just makes me want to pass gas. It may be good for people to know exactly what kinds of micarta there is, but asbestos or not, makes no difference to me.

What we have here, folks, is USDA, Grade A, Rare Micarta.... play on!
 
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SK Custom Cues said:
I just got back from trying out a new shaft installed with this Micarta (threaded - thru ferrule) I got from Percy and I must say that it is a very desirable hit. I have an old shaft with an old yellow micarta ferrule on it and honestly, the stuff I got from Percy plays better. It has a real sweet feel and a nice little ping to it. I put on a Kamui Black Hard tip and the butt is a 5/16x14 SS joint.

Normally, I play ivory and I like ivory better, but this material provides a unique hit all in itself, and it is something different that I myself find very desirable, and it's nice to change things up once in a while. Of course, other variables must be there such as good wood and clean installation, but, I promised to give my opinion so here it is.

All this talk about asbestos and the fact that this material may not have it is so totally unimportant to me, it just makes me want to pass gas. It may be good for people to know exactly what kinds of micarta there is, but asbestos or not, makes no difference to me.

What we have here, folks, is USDA, Grade A, Rare Micarta.... play on!
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Now I know we are on the same page. The "ping" is definitely there with the paper based stuff and it is quite addicting! Thanks for posting your observations!
tim
 
nickgeo said:
Hi Again,

In case you have trouble blowing up and reading the Westinghouse catalog (if you have not already purchased it), note the varieties:

Absorbent paper
Fine, medium, and coarse weave fabrics
Asbestos fabric
Asbestos paper
Kraft paper
Glass silicone cloth

I hope I have read these correctly. There may be more, on other pages of the catalog. Also note the different properties listed, e.g., impact.

One would need a lab to distinguish these. Hmmmn.

Take care,

Nick
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Yep...Joe
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Who's got what?

Hi,

I did forget to include fiberglass, which visually (embedded in the micarta) likely would be indistinguishable from asbestos. Polarized light microscopy is the standard (and simple, if you have the equipment) way to distinguish these fibers when in a free state. Trickier when embedded in epoxy.

It's not clear to me that anyone knows what type of micarta they actually have.

Is it an issue? When you see impact resistance listed as a property, maybe.

Take care,

Nick
 
"Asbestos paper" does that mean we still don't know if this has asbestos or not?

I email Richard Harris about his Micarta ferrule and he tell me he bought his micarta in 1999 from a knife maker who had it for over 20 years. He said the block he has is yellow on the side but when cut fresh it is ivory color. So is his Micarta the "Stuff" going for $75 plus a piece or paper base Asbestos stuff?

Thanks,
Duc.

nickgeo said:
Hi,

I did forget to include fiberglass, which visually (embedded in the micarta) likely would be indistinguishable from asbestos. Polarized light microscopy is the standard (and simple, if you have the equipment) way to distinguish these fibers when in a free state. Trickier when embedded in epoxy.

It's not clear to me that anyone knows what type of micarta they actually have.

Is it an issue? When you see impact resistance listed as a property, maybe.

Take care,

Nick
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Cuemaster98 said:
"Asbestos paper" does that mean we still don't know if this has asbestos or not?

I email Richard Harris about his Micarta ferrule and he tell me he bought his micarta in 1999 from a knife maker who had it for over 20 years. He said the block he has is yellow on the side but when cut fresh it is ivory color. So is his Micarta the "Stuff" going for $75 plus a piece or paper base Asbestos stuff?

Thanks,
Duc.
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THE STUFF FOR SALE HERE IS PAPER BASED MICARTA THAT DOES NOT CONTAIN ASBESTOS. IT IS THE SAME AS WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON MANY MANY BLUEGRASS CUES, AND I BELIEVE IT IS HIS STANDARD FERRULE. I HAVE ONLY SEEN 1 OR 2 BLUEGRASS CUES THAT HAD THE ASBESTOS BASED STUFF THAT SELLS FOR 75-100 PER FERRULE, AND I BELIEVE THOSE WERE SPECIAL ORDER.

Marcus
 
Cuemaster98 said:
"Asbestos paper" does that mean we still don't know if this has asbestos or not?

I email Richard Harris about his Micarta ferrule and he tell me he bought his micarta in 1999 from a knife maker who had it for over 20 years. He said the block he has is yellow on the side but when cut fresh it is ivory color. So is his Micarta the "Stuff" going for $75 plus a piece or paper base Asbestos stuff?

Thanks,
Duc.
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Sorry to dig up an old thread but I did read it all over again and it made me dig out the pieces I bought from Percy a year ago. They have been taped up all this time and in the same envelope he shipped them to me in. Interestingly enough they are exactly as Duc has described them. Creamy in color with a dark yellow on the side. I guess because these were mostly covered in tape, some of the yellowing is darker than other spots.

Thanks again Percy and to every one else who contributed to my Micarta education. :thumbup:
 
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