Pool Players Testify before Senate Appropriations Committee

El Diablo said:
I don't consider any game where you wash your balls a sport. Fun yes, but not a sport. ;)

depends on what the lady in the shower with me looks like,,,,,LOL

have a silly April Fool's Day,,,
 
Games are decided by LUCK, Pool Is......

IMO - Games are decided by LUCK, Pool (a sport) Is decided by SKILL.

TY & GL
 
JAM,JAM,JAM.....how could anyone testify when about the only players who would are playin' in Cali right now? TECHNICALLY it is a "indoor recreational sports activity".The LAST thing billiards needs is a bunch of professional political hacks sticking their noses into things :rolleyes: (there's already plenty of amatuer hacks involved :D ). Happy Fools Day!!

Terry
 
drivermaker said:
......Golf is probably the most demanding sport and requires the maximum versatility of anything else out there.
Hottie beer-cart girls cause flabby middle-age golfers (yeah I'm looking in the mirror) golfers to flex their muscles and suck in their guts for minutes on end (until the beer is paid for). Body-building is a sport. Ok, maybe it's a gamort.

The next event is doing 12-ounce curls - weight lifting.

I have to re-evaluate . . . . Suddenly, Tim Herron looks like an athlete.....
 
El Diablo said:
I don't consider any game where you wash your balls a sport. Fun yes, but not a sport. ;)
Uh-oh! I guess pool is relegated to the "game" category after all......DRAT those in-counter pool ball cleaners!! :D :D :p (Okay, so maybe those just polish the balls.)
 
Money is the bottom line...

I agree with old has been pool requires skill and that is what makes it a sport.

However, like anything else in our society money is the most important factor. I have seen single pots in the world series of poker have more money in it than the entire purse of most professional pool tournements.

No one is going to take pool seriously till more money is involved in the tournaments. The national scrabble championship had a 100,000 dollar first prize last year. That should embarass orginizers of the UPA events. How many dedicated pros are you going to have when they have to play two days through a tuff field to end up with a couple of thousand dollars. Pro pool's nichol and dime prize money is what continues to make it a game in many people's eyes.
 
Obviously I need to stop being a skim reader...cause do you have any idea how long it took me to realize it was a joke? Haha, sadly, entirely too long. *wonders off into another room*

Dea
 
Actually, I was lucky to have been the stenographer for the testimony today in Washington. Some of the best quotes:

Jose Parica: Just because pool has a lot of gamesmanship doesn't mean it's a game.
Buddy Hall: Riflery is an olympic sport. I'm called the rifleman, so it follows that pool is a sport.
Keith Macready: Pool has a lot of good sports. Only in pool will your opponent buy you a beer AFTER a sixpack.
Earl Strickland: Pool takes a lot of hand-eye coordination. If a fan doesn't give me a hand after I make a great shot, I feel like I want to hit him in the eye.
A pro pool player who requested anonymity: Just like baseball, pool is often played on grass, so I think that makes it a sport.

OK, maybe I wasn't the stenographer........juist an April fool
 
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vapoolplayer said:
i have an explanation.............

sit 5 players down at a poker table............lets say they are the equilavant in the poker world as the average joe shmoe "D" pool player.

well when they are playing poker, they just deal the cards, make bets, and show the cards...........they don't know how good they are at poker, to themselves they seem like every other card player.

now take the same 5 players and let them play pool.............well it will be apparent within about 3 shots that they can't play pool very well. the balls aren't falling in the hole, and some guy on the other table is running racks. well that doesn't make them look good so they don't play much pool....................on the other hand, they think they can play poker well so they play alot of poker, watch poker, talk about poker to their friends.

i explained it best i could, the basic idea is that its easier to LOOK like and THINK you can play poker, than it is to look like and think you can play pool.

VAP
That's a good point VAP!

And I think it's a large part of the reason so many play online poker for money, much more than they play online pool for money, despite that fact that online pool has tens of thousands of participants daily.

The skill separation is quickly apparent. Whereas in Poker, even I, who hardly knows the rules is a chance to win over a course of 21 hands against a top player.

Tens of thousands of poker players can remain under an illusion of unlucky greatness for months and years at a time. Many are under the illusion that somehow, someday, they'll be able to manage how to bring those lucky runs on more frequently.

A mediocre pool player, online or offline, will quickly and consistantly get their a$%$s handed to them when they put their money where their ambition is.
 
Why can't pool be both? Baseball is both a game and a sport. I think when it is played recreationally, it would probably be considered a game. When you add the competitive aspects of leagues or tournaments, it would be considered a sport.
If everything they do in the olympics is a sport, why do the call it "The winter games" or the "summer games"? It seems like both terms can be applied.
And a happy April Fools Day to all!
Steve
 
beetle said:
Since pool has a physical component (in addition to the obvious mental component) and it is a competitive event, it is a sport. The way you hold your cards or shuffle your chips in poker, or the way [not where] you move your pawn in Chess, does not affect the outcome of those events (therefore, those are Games, not sports). The way you hold and move your cue when striking the ball has everything to do with the outcome of the event. Therefore, those people who say that pool is just a game are simply wrong. It is that physical component that is critical. Games lack the physical component (at least physical components of any relevance to outcome).

Damn, Beedil! Yuz is a smart-un!

Now go cut the grass!
 
Johnny "V" said:
Pool still has Mitch Lawrence.

JV

LOLz...whenever I watch pool on TV and I keep hearing Mitch Laurence describe how "big" or "huge" that miss was 1000 times during a match I just want to reach into the TV and strangle him, bring back Lon McEachern....overall the sport of pool doesn't get the respect it deserves because of the stigma that still plagues pool by outsiders that don't know how far it has come...a governing body that covers everything really would help the stability and promotion of pool as well....just my 2 c
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Pool is the only sport where many top competitors regularly bet on the outcome.

Chemical enhancement of performance and gambling are the two no-no's of Olympic competition.

It ain't the skill required, it is the public perception.

Billiards, in various forms, are played by many people in many countries. Surely these sports have far more justification to be included in the Olympics than all the weird athletic activities that have few participants.

Men with cues should have as much right to be in the Olympics as men with brooms.:D
 
Tom In Cincy said:
You've never seen a pool player's picture on a Wheaties' box
If you do, it'll probably be Corey Harper. He's constantly eating trail mix, health bars, & drinking water.... he's got to the be the healthiest pool player that I know.

Danny Harriman used to do a lot of running IIRC.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
You've never seen a pool player's picture on a Wheaties' box

Well, now that you've mentioned it...:D :D :D

JAM
 

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Colin Colenso said:
That's a good point VAP!

And I think it's a large part of the reason so many play online poker for money, much more than they play online pool for money, despite that fact that online pool has tens of thousands of participants daily.

The skill separation is quickly apparent. Whereas in Poker, even I, who hardly knows the rules is a chance to win over a course of 21 hands against a top player.

Tens of thousands of poker players can remain under an illusion of unlucky greatness for months and years at a time. Many are under the illusion that somehow, someday, they'll be able to manage how to bring those lucky runs on more frequently.

A mediocre pool player, online or offline, will quickly and consistantly get their a$%$s handed to them when they put their money where their ambition is.
Oh, so YOU are the culprit. It'd take someone as thorough as Colin to dig this thead up from a year ago. Can you say BUMP!
 
Anything ...

that you can make a living at, and has defined levels of competition and expertise is a Sport ....... or a Hustle ...
 
3 Years Later on April Fool's Day

Not much has changed in 3 years on April Fool's Day, or has it?

Have the payouts increased? Are there more opportunities for pro players today?

I think I see a little bit of change for the better, 3 years later. I just don't think it is going to happen in the United States. America is not the super power that it used to be in science and technology, and it seems as if the same is happening in pool. Signs of the time.

Like a junk-yard dog hanging onto a bone, I will continue root for the home team, but I am happy to see things moving upwards, for a change. :)

With RunOut Radio, Billiards Digest forum revamping, John Collins creating his own forum, coverage at tournaments in the Middle East, I think there is a lot to be grateful for. I look forward to the coming years.

JAM
 
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