pre made blanks

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Ive seen a good amount of cues that are pre made blanks or blanks that are made by prather or other companies. Ive seen some blanks that are made and they are for sell only to people who are going to send them to a reputable cue maker to have them finished. Regarding these types of cues, onec they are sent to the maker and the maker finishes the cue, whats the status of the cue after that? Do you call it a Prather blank finished my xxxxxxx or conversion(although it hasnt been converted from or to anything) Also, what would be the pros of having a huge name maker finish once of these blanks or would there be any besides aesthetics? i realize some makers do a better finish and their own tapers and joints and pins and different wraps. I know if you sent a blank to a maker you could have it somewhat customized as far as what pin u want and all that but if the cuemaker doesnt splice the cue himself or make the whole butt really for that matter does the cue play like the other cuemakers cues? Would a Prather blank finished by josey play like a prather cue thats been refurbed by josey? does it make it a Josey cue? How much of the process is done when the blank is done? is there alot left to do as far as things that really effect how the overall cue will shoot? This is a little long and sounds more complicated then what im really trying to ask but im sure someone will understand what im trying to say so im not gonna go back and edit anything. i dont have time.thanks in advance. charlie
 
Generally speaking, regardless of the source of the materials, the cue would be considered to be made by the cue maker who assembles it.

There are many cues made by __________ (fill in the blank) that use purchased forearms. The cue maker has to consider the time, effort and mess that goes into making a forearm - the quality and cost of the finished product.

For example, very few cue makers make their own sneaky Pete full splice handles. It's just too time consuming when they can buy them for $50 or find a $25 house cue to convert.
 
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I pretty much agree with TATE. Whoever assembled the cue is considered the maker.

You would be surprised just how many cue makers use blanks made by others and just don't publicize it. And if it is a full splice cue, only an extremely small number make their own and all the rest are buying the blanks elsewhere.

As far as how it plays, some will argue this but the butt has relatively little to do with how a cue plays to begin with. But most cue makers turn the butt down to their own sizing preference and may even do some things to adjust the balance etc so there is generally not going to be a noticeable difference between a cue that a maker fully made himself verses one that he made with a blank he got elsewhere.
 
awesome guys, thanks for that. anyone know some cue makers who do make their own full splice. i knew some didnt and i knew most makers didnt splice their own sneaky petes. it just feels like the hardest, most time consuming and definitely one of the more special parts of the whole cue is the splicing of the forearm. im guessing lambros does his own considering how freakin long his points are? thanks again guys.
 
Ive seen a good amount of cues that are pre made blanks or blanks that are made by prather or other companies. Ive seen some blanks that are made and they are for sell only to people who are going to send them to a reputable cue maker to have them finished. Regarding these types of cues, onec they are sent to the maker and the maker finishes the cue, whats the status of the cue after that? Do you call it a Prather blank finished my xxxxxxx or conversion(although it hasnt been converted from or to anything) Also, what would be the pros of having a huge name maker finish once of these blanks or would there be any besides aesthetics? i realize some makers do a better finish and their own tapers and joints and pins and different wraps. I know if you sent a blank to a maker you could have it somewhat customized as far as what pin u want and all that but if the cuemaker doesnt splice the cue himself or make the whole butt really for that matter does the cue play like the other cuemakers cues? Would a Prather blank finished by josey play like a prather cue thats been refurbed by josey? does it make it a Josey cue? How much of the process is done when the blank is done? is there alot left to do as far as things that really effect how the overall cue will shoot? This is a little long and sounds more complicated then what im really trying to ask but im sure someone will understand what im trying to say so im not gonna go back and edit anything. i dont have time.thanks in advance. charlie

A pre-made blank finished by a reputable maker will play like that maker's cues, as a rule. The reason is that the maker isn't doing anything different, or changing what their philosophy is in regards to what they feel makes a great playing cue, when finishing a pre-made blank. A lot of how a cue plays is in the shafts and their respective tapers.

Some feel that the butt of a cue has no bearing on how a cue will play. I do tend to disagree with this somewhat, in that some players prefer cues with a lot of feedback, while others, not so much. The wood(s) used in the butt can determine just how much the cue 'talks' to you in terms of feedback. True rosewoods (dalbergia genus) transmit great feedback, as they have a higher resonance value...hence why acoustic guitars with rosewood are highly sought after, and getting near impossible to find any more, due to many species of rosewood being on the endangered species list. While not a rosewood, I like bocote for feedback as well. Cocobolo is favored by many.

To the best of my knowledge, Lambros only makes short-spliced cues himself...hence the uber long points. There are a few select makers who can make their own full splice blanks, but as a rule, those cues are going to command a higher premium, due to the extra work and materials waste involved.

It should also be noted, there are many makers that will not accept a customer-supplied blank. The reasoning being, primarily, that they cannot predict when a blank may go 'wrong', and the ensuing issues that may arise as a result can be a bit of a spider's nest when dealing with the customer who supplied the blank. I can't blame them on that, honestly. When you don't have control over the materials used first-hand, it can be a bit of a crap shoot. Wood moves, and sometimes it happens when you least expect it.

My approach has been, in the past, when approaching a maker concerning the use of a pre-made blank, to send them the blank for inspection prior to any commitments. If they are wary of the blank, it's best to know prior to work being commenced. Saves both parties a lot of potential headaches down the line.
 
awesome guys, thanks for that. anyone know some cue makers who do make their own full splice. i knew some didnt and i knew most makers didnt splice their own sneaky petes. it just feels like the hardest, most time consuming and definitely one of the more special parts of the whole cue is the splicing of the forearm. im guessing lambros does his own considering how freakin long his points are? thanks again guys.

Most cue makers do their own half splice forearms (although there are more than a handful that don't). Very few cue makers make their own full splice cues (except for turning them down and finishing them). I am pretty certain Lambros does his own half splice forearms as do almost all of the higher end, more established and more well known cue makers.

As for who makes full splice cues, off the top of my head Joel Hercek who only makes full splice cues, Bear Cues but his website was down last I knew so I don't know if he is still active, Schmelke Cues which is who provides the full splice blanks to lots of cue makers and they also make completed cues, John Davis also makes the full splice blanks for lots of cue makers but I can't recall if he does any finished cues himself, Prather as you mentioned makes lots of full splice blanks for cue makers and also make their own finished cues, Jerry Rauenzahn I believe made some full splice also if I am not mistaken, Sugartree cues was working on getting a full splice technique he was happy with but I never heard if he ever got it to his satisfaction and put any out for sale yet, and there are a handful of others. I don't keep up with this much anymore and have forgotten a lot but someone else can jump in and add more I am sure. Also if you do a google search for "full splice cues" I am sure you read up and find out a lot more about who else has done them.
 
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Most cue makers do their own half splice forearms (although there are more than a handful that don't). Very few cue makers make their own full splice cues (except for turning them down and finishing them). I am pretty certain Lambros does his own half splice forearms as do almost all of the higher end, more established and more well known cue makers.

As for who makes full splice cues, off the top of my head Joel Hercek who only makes full splice cues, Bear Cues but his website was down last I knew so I don't know if he is still active, Schmelke Cues which is who provides the full splice blanks to lots of cue makers and they also make completed cues, John Davis also makes the full splice blanks for lots of cue makers but I can't recall if he does any finished cues himself, Prather as you mentioned makes lots of full splice blanks for cue makers and also make their own finished cues, Jerry Rauenzahn I believe made some full splice also if I am not mistaken, Sugartree cues was working on getting a full splice technique he was happy with but I never heard if he ever got it to his satisfaction and put any out for sale yet, and there are a handful of others. I don't keep up with this much anymore and have forgotten a lot but someone else can jump in and add more I am sure. Also if you do a google search for "full splice cues" I am sure you read up and find out a lot more about who else has done them.

Mark Bear passed away in 2012 unfortunately.

Prather also makes full splice. Check out their website - they make and sell some interesting stuff. You can see their full splice veneered butts are pretty expensive.

http://www.prathercue.com/pre_made_splced_butts/pre_made_splced_butts.html

John Davis full splice blanks are the best in my opinion. He has steadily improved his techniques since his return some 30 years after Burton Spain trained him and he made blanks used by Balabushka.
 
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didntt know this about bear, RIP. Thanks a lot for that info guys. I did not know most of that and its very interesting to know how rare fully spliced cues are. its kinda sad in my opinion. not sad as in" its sad that a cuemaker wont make a full spliced cue bc of the money" or anything like that. I can understand these guys gotta make a living and most aren't getting rich anytime soon but its sad in the fact htat it seems to be a dying art. thanks again guys. charlie
 
Jerry Rauenzahn makes a great full splice cue too. Look in the cue and case gallery for threads and pictures of his work.


Most cue makers do their own half splice forearms (although there are more than a handful that don't). Very few cue makers make their own full splice cues (except for turning them down and finishing them). I am pretty certain Lambros does his own half splice forearms as do almost all of the higher end, more established and more well known cue makers.

As for who makes full splice cues, off the top of my head Joel Hercek who only makes full splice cues, Bear Cues but his website was down last I knew so I don't know if he is still active, Schmelke Cues which is who provides the full splice blanks to lots of cue makers and they also make completed cues, John Davis also makes the full splice blanks for lots of cue makers but I can't recall if he does any finished cues himself, Prather as you mentioned makes lots of full splice blanks for cue makers and also make their own finished cues, Jerry Rauenzahn I believe made some full splice also if I am not mistaken, Sugartree cues was working on getting a full splice technique he was happy with but I never heard if he ever got it to his satisfaction and put any out for sale yet, and there are a handful of others. I don't keep up with this much anymore and have forgotten a lot but someone else can jump in and add more I am sure. Also if you do a google search for "full splice cues" I am sure you read up and find out a lot more about who else has done them.
 
John Davis makes great full splice blanks. John normally collaborates with Tim Prince if you want a recommendation for a cue maker.

On special request, he also finishes cues himself. I have a John Davis conversion ... made by John Davis :wink:. It is a good cue and plays extremely well, but IMHO, John's blank manufacturing competence is superior to the cue building.

Best from Germany

Gerhard
 
Ive seen a good amount of cues that are pre made blanks or blanks that are made by prather or other companies.

Some information that may or may not be interesting:

The American Cuemakers Association requires that each member is able to show that he can make his own spliced forearm.

The current youngest member: Josh Treadway who I highly recommend to anyone.

First "new cuemaker" after the ACA was founded: Mike Capone, who I highly recommend to anyone.

There are actually several cuemakers that can build a full-splice. The number has increased quite a bit over the past few years as it seemed to be a growing trend a couple of years ago: Travis, Murray, Andy to name a few.

There are a few cuemakers that most would be very surprised to know that they can make a full-splice cue. Whether it's cost effective is a whole nother story.

Ray Schuler didn't believe a splice forearm was "structurally" better. I agree with Ray, but with all sorts of engineering caveats. Maybe he had the same caveats. Today, the Schuler Cue offers short/half spliced points.

Someone correct me, but I don't believe Ernie makes spliced cue in the traditional sense, although he certainly makes his own "blanks."
 
Darin Hill also makes a damm fine full splice cue

I have a custom 8 point full splice made by Schmelke, and LOVE IT!
Best cue for the money hands down.
 
Someone correct me, but I don't believe Ernie makes spliced cue in the traditional sense, although he certainly makes his own "blanks."

That was my understanding as well. In fact I don't think he's ever made one.
 
I pretty much agree with TATE. Whoever assembled the cue is considered the maker.

You would be surprised just how many cue makers use blanks made by others and just don't publicize it. And if it is a full splice cue, only an extremely small number make their own and all the rest are buying the blanks elsewhere.

As far as how it plays, some will argue this but the butt has relatively little to do with how a cue plays to begin with. But most cue makers turn the butt down to their own sizing preference and may even do some things to adjust the balance etc so there is generally not going to be a noticeable difference between a cue that a maker fully made himself verses one that he made with a blank he got elsewhere.


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"some will argue this but the butt has relatively little to do with how a cue plays to begin with"
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Yes, those would be the ones who have some clue of what they are talking about.

Dale(who knows)
 
I always thought if I was a cuemaker and someone brought me a blank to use (other than a titlist), it would be a considerable insult.

So much, that if I was a cuemaker capable of making my own, I would refuse.

Strange fruit.

Ken
 
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There are actually several cuemakers that can build a full-splice. The number has increased quite a bit over the past few years as it seemed to be a growing trend a couple of years ago: Travis, Murray, Andy to name a few.

There are a few cuemakers that most would be very surprised to know that they can make a full-splice cue. Whether it's cost effective is a whole nother story.

This is making my goal of getting a sneaky from every full-spice maker more distant ...... although I'm off to a good start with a couple of Bears, a Prather, and a few others.

In addition to those mentioned in previous posts :

Scott Gracio makes full splices (got one :thumbup:)
Ernie Omori makes full splices (got one :thumbup:)

Dave <-- waiting patiently for the Darrin Hill to ship ... very soon now :smile:
 
A touch off topic. I stopped in the Prather booth this year at SBE. Their old school cues are beautiful.
 
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