Predator LD Carom Shaft Finally Available
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Look at that!
They even made one for Thierry!
They even made one for Thierry!
Wow that's great. Where did you get that picture from? I can't find any information on Predator's site regarding these shafts. I wonder if they changed the front end of the shaft slightly to help withstand the higher impact forces of the bigger carom balls.
Did you see the price of the shafts?
$389.00 USD, Ridiculous!! For $400.00 more you can get the NEW cue Blomdahl plays with!
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
http://mr3cushion.com
$389.00 USD, Ridiculous!! For $400.00 more you can get the NEW cue Blomdahl plays with!
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
http://mr3cushion.com
Just great. Apparently I can't spend my money fast enough.
gimmiegimmiegimmie
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flips posts a question:when and where are they going to be on sale?
Shhhh...this is inside info between us..but one of if not THE # 1 seller of Predator shafts in the United States will receive exclusivity on the new LD carom shafts. Time frame could be within the month give or take.
Hope this helps. Shhhh
Shhhh...this is inside info between us..but one of if not THE # 1 seller of Predator shafts in the United States will receive exclusivity on the new LD carom shafts. Time frame could be within the month give or take.
Hope this helps. Shhhh
i thought the classic kilby style joint was the coolest.
i wonder what the specs on the shafts are. if you can play pool with one i'd be interested in a plane jane model. that is if they offered one in a thick shaft model
the butt is definitely "incidental" in terms of deflection. i think they'd rather sell you a whole cue instead of just a shaft if they can. i think the cue business is rather good for them, i see a lot of predator cues out there. but there's also people that just want aftermarket shafts, so you have to cater to both segments i think.
i don't have any carom cues with the joints they have listed, so either I'd have to go get one of them and then get the pred 3c shaft, or just buy a whole new cue from them (which would be easier and more convenient for me).
i wonder if the longoni wood screw model fits other wood screws. i have a few wood screw cues, but they're all slightly different and not necessarily compatible. also the joint diameter varies, so there's that issue too. i don't see the adam double joint and tiger radial listed, which are some other pretty popular production cue joints....
mazin shooni
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You guys should try the Tiger -LD- shafts you will love it,
I play with it Pedro play with it and now Bill Smith (Mr 3 Cushion) is going to play with Tiger Cue -LD- # 5 Model as well,
Go to Tigerproduct.com-or- amazinbilliards.com
''''Cheers'''', Mazin Shooni
I play with it Pedro play with it and now Bill Smith (Mr 3 Cushion) is going to play with Tiger Cue -LD- # 5 Model as well,
Go to Tigerproduct.com-or- amazinbilliards.com
''''Cheers'''', Mazin Shooni
Mazin,
I agree. My line of cues "Caromm Cues" uses Tiger LD X carom shafts. They are awesome! I am not pitting Predator LD shafts against any other brand.
My point is/was that when an elephant walks into the room...people notice.
This can only help caroms in general. I don't have to talk to you about sponsor money. You and I shake the bushes more than most.
I agree. My line of cues "Caromm Cues" uses Tiger LD X carom shafts. They are awesome! I am not pitting Predator LD shafts against any other brand.
My point is/was that when an elephant walks into the room...people notice.
This can only help caroms in general. I don't have to talk to you about sponsor money. You and I shake the bushes more than most.
Just for historical perspective...check this out ( from not too long ago)
Mcchen carom LD shafts - 05-02-2011, 08:42 PM
well i just saw that tiger has released a low deflection version of their X carom shaft. and predator has a carom cue in the works, supposedly debuting later this year. these LD shafts have been pretty popular in the pool world, I wonder if they'll catch on in the carom world.
prior to tiger and predator, the only carom LD shafts I know about were from Japan. The Adam ACSS and the Mezz WD3C. Both are very hard to find in the US, and I don't know how widespread they are elsewhere. i have never tested either of them and not sure how LD they are.
just curious....any one here interested in LD technology for carom?
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05-02-2011, 09:34 PM
I was fortunate to get one brand new from Adam Cue in NYC.
Very nice!
Respectfully,
(#3)
05-03-2011, 02:04 AM
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I was fortunate to get one brand new from Adam Cue in NYC.
Very nice!
An ACSS shaft? How effective is it in cutting deflection? Would be interested in getting some info on these shafts....
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05-03-2011, 09:15 AM
I have some related questions on this subject:
Carom shafts generally have a conical or constant taper, and are usually much stiffer than a pro taper pool shaft. Does that mean carom shafts already are somewhat low deflection?
Would a "low deflection" carom shaft play even stiffer than a standard carom shaft? And if so... is that even desirable?
Name: Doug Deitel
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mr3cushion
05-03-2011, 09:45 AM
Doug; You sir are 100% correct, the CAROM shaft is already LD, using a shaft with much more LD IMHO would be like playing with a tree trunk. You need some kind of feedback from a shaft to let the player know how he hit the cue ball and the action it created.
My personal favorite shaft for playing 3 Cushion is the Longoni Pro 69 shaft, with a 12 mm tip. and 4oz. in weight.
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05-03-2011, 10:48 AM
Fully concur with Bill. A LD shaft in a carom configuration is overkill. They can dramatically improve a pool taper, but I don't recommend them to my customers for a carom shaft -- even tell them it is a waste of $$$.
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05-03-2011, 01:25 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with Ron or Bill. But I would have a more nuanced opinion.
I would approach deciding on a new shaft by testing it yourself.
Like most things, there are pluses and minuses. In general what you may gain in less deflection you may lose in feel.
Any technology/construction that may enhance ones game works for me.
Some Longoni S2 shaft owners either swear by them or swear at them.
Respectfully,
Steve Andersen
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mbvl
05-03-2011, 02:55 PM
McChen,
I think it's overkill. My Dieckman shafts have Komori tapers and the pivot point distance is greater than 40 inches. I.e., virtually zero squirt.
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(#9)
05-03-2011, 04:35 PM
interesting comments...
agree that carom shafts are naturally lower deflecting compared to pool as the tip is smaller (though might somewhat be canceled by the fat taper) and the balls are heavier. ie, the ratio of the tip mass vs. the ball mass.
one thing about the taper....the taper of a carom LD shaft does not necessarily have to change. deflection is primarily about the mass of the tip end and taper/stiffness would only affect it if a particular taper increases mass at the tip end. tiger has reduced this by coring with balsa wood and predator uses a hollow bore. i don't believe tiger, adam or mezz use a particularly different taper than their standard shafts. also laminating a shaft doesn't make it low deflection by itself. The adam and mezz shafts are not laminated, but tiger and predator are (though that's not why they're LD).
i have no doubt that the LD shafts by tiger, etc. work (as in reducing deflection). i'm mostly wondering what the level of reduction is and what the feel is like. assuming that the shaft is similar in all respects to your current shaft (as in taper, weight, tip), would lower deflection be something that would benefit your play?
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gallogg
05-09-2011, 07:44 PM
I use both LD and Tiger shafts.
I use LD on the tables that produce shorter angle than the system and vise versa.
By saying that LD really reduces deflection than regular Tiger shaft.
But I like the feel of Tiger shaft much better than LD though.
I have been an user of ACSS by Adam for a long time and I'd say it has a similar feel of Tiger shaft not any of other laminated shafts like Sold 8 Max or S2 shafts I used to own.
Just throwing 2 cents.
Mcchen carom LD shafts - 05-02-2011, 08:42 PM
well i just saw that tiger has released a low deflection version of their X carom shaft. and predator has a carom cue in the works, supposedly debuting later this year. these LD shafts have been pretty popular in the pool world, I wonder if they'll catch on in the carom world.
prior to tiger and predator, the only carom LD shafts I know about were from Japan. The Adam ACSS and the Mezz WD3C. Both are very hard to find in the US, and I don't know how widespread they are elsewhere. i have never tested either of them and not sure how LD they are.
just curious....any one here interested in LD technology for carom?
Old
(#2)
05-02-2011, 09:34 PM
I was fortunate to get one brand new from Adam Cue in NYC.
Very nice!
Respectfully,
(#3)
05-03-2011, 02:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zensteve View Post
I was fortunate to get one brand new from Adam Cue in NYC.
Very nice!
An ACSS shaft? How effective is it in cutting deflection? Would be interested in getting some info on these shafts....
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05-03-2011, 09:15 AM
I have some related questions on this subject:
Carom shafts generally have a conical or constant taper, and are usually much stiffer than a pro taper pool shaft. Does that mean carom shafts already are somewhat low deflection?
Would a "low deflection" carom shaft play even stiffer than a standard carom shaft? And if so... is that even desirable?
Name: Doug Deitel
(#5)
mr3cushion
05-03-2011, 09:45 AM
Doug; You sir are 100% correct, the CAROM shaft is already LD, using a shaft with much more LD IMHO would be like playing with a tree trunk. You need some kind of feedback from a shaft to let the player know how he hit the cue ball and the action it created.
My personal favorite shaft for playing 3 Cushion is the Longoni Pro 69 shaft, with a 12 mm tip. and 4oz. in weight.
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kilby
05-03-2011, 10:48 AM
Fully concur with Bill. A LD shaft in a carom configuration is overkill. They can dramatically improve a pool taper, but I don't recommend them to my customers for a carom shaft -- even tell them it is a waste of $$$.
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05-03-2011, 01:25 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with Ron or Bill. But I would have a more nuanced opinion.
I would approach deciding on a new shaft by testing it yourself.
Like most things, there are pluses and minuses. In general what you may gain in less deflection you may lose in feel.
Any technology/construction that may enhance ones game works for me.
Some Longoni S2 shaft owners either swear by them or swear at them.
Respectfully,
Steve Andersen
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mbvl
05-03-2011, 02:55 PM
McChen,
I think it's overkill. My Dieckman shafts have Komori tapers and the pivot point distance is greater than 40 inches. I.e., virtually zero squirt.
Old
(#9)
05-03-2011, 04:35 PM
interesting comments...
agree that carom shafts are naturally lower deflecting compared to pool as the tip is smaller (though might somewhat be canceled by the fat taper) and the balls are heavier. ie, the ratio of the tip mass vs. the ball mass.
one thing about the taper....the taper of a carom LD shaft does not necessarily have to change. deflection is primarily about the mass of the tip end and taper/stiffness would only affect it if a particular taper increases mass at the tip end. tiger has reduced this by coring with balsa wood and predator uses a hollow bore. i don't believe tiger, adam or mezz use a particularly different taper than their standard shafts. also laminating a shaft doesn't make it low deflection by itself. The adam and mezz shafts are not laminated, but tiger and predator are (though that's not why they're LD).
i have no doubt that the LD shafts by tiger, etc. work (as in reducing deflection). i'm mostly wondering what the level of reduction is and what the feel is like. assuming that the shaft is similar in all respects to your current shaft (as in taper, weight, tip), would lower deflection be something that would benefit your play?
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gallogg
05-09-2011, 07:44 PM
I use both LD and Tiger shafts.
I use LD on the tables that produce shorter angle than the system and vise versa.
By saying that LD really reduces deflection than regular Tiger shaft.
But I like the feel of Tiger shaft much better than LD though.
I have been an user of ACSS by Adam for a long time and I'd say it has a similar feel of Tiger shaft not any of other laminated shafts like Sold 8 Max or S2 shafts I used to own.
Just throwing 2 cents.
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differences in carom cues
Ok, here's a few differences.
1.Carom cues are shorter by 2 inches or so. I think this has to do with the fact that billiard players use side spin on most shots. It helps to minimize vibration, and increase control.
2. Pool cues have a "pro taper" Usually a pool cue shaft stays approximately the same size from the tip end for the first 10-12". A carom cue has a more "constant" taper from to tip to joint, or they grow more quickly in size.
3. Pool cues usually have a "standard" tip size of about 13mm. Carom cues average 12mm at the tip.
BTW, I looked closely at the specs on the Kozoom site for the Predator shafts. They are 12mm at the tip, and the length is about 1 1/2" shorter than a pool cue.
The predator shafts are using the same technology that their pool stick counterparts use.. i.e. they drill out and lighten the shaft for the first few inches from the tip end.
I'm looking forward to giving one of these a try.
HTH,
SKG
Ok, here's a few differences.
1.Carom cues are shorter by 2 inches or so. I think this has to do with the fact that billiard players use side spin on most shots. It helps to minimize vibration, and increase control.
2. Pool cues have a "pro taper" Usually a pool cue shaft stays approximately the same size from the tip end for the first 10-12". A carom cue has a more "constant" taper from to tip to joint, or they grow more quickly in size.
3. Pool cues usually have a "standard" tip size of about 13mm. Carom cues average 12mm at the tip.
BTW, I looked closely at the specs on the Kozoom site for the Predator shafts. They are 12mm at the tip, and the length is about 1 1/2" shorter than a pool cue.
The predator shafts are using the same technology that their pool stick counterparts use.. i.e. they drill out and lighten the shaft for the first few inches from the tip end.
I'm looking forward to giving one of these a try.
HTH,
SKG