Pro pool on glorious Gold Crown 6 Cushions

https://youtu.be/04xBj55d-LU?t=2642
That would have not gone in on my GC 2 with 4 7/16" 140* corners. :grin-square:

But, the tables are playing great imo.
Even with that slow cloth.

On one of Kinnister's tapes, he says if you are playing a guy and he misses to the fat side of the pocket on that shot, you know he doesn't know how to play. But if he misses to the thin side, he not only knows how to play, but he will adjust real fast and beat the snot of of you:)
 
Those tables probably don't even burn right. Don't give that "blue lable is better" bs. either. They bank short. The only reason the 3 railer to the corner banks even close to right, is that the shortness of the 3 rail makes up for the shortness of the other two! Somehow this cobbles together a somewhat decent ending point for a 3 rail bank. Two railers are still WAY off. I can't even count the number of shots that just don't work anymore! You can't strech out the angle with outside anymore, you can't kill the ball properly with inside, either. Every shot that touches the rail gets chucked out like vegetables out of a fat womans mouth!

It's Brunswicks fault. If they hadn't pulled out of pool, maybe we'd have some proper tables to play on. But no, all we have now is short banking shit and Chinese garbage, none of which can stand up to the playability of a GC. If all you care about is a table holding level for a long time, then Diamond and Rasson are ok tables. If you care AT ALL about proper banking tracks, pockets that play right and rail geometry, then you're shit out of luck with those two. Now Rasson is going for the Eurotour...I mean, I didn't exactly love the Dynamic tables. There was some nonsense going on with the pocket facings, and the build quality was questionable , but at least it played somewhat like a pool table.

GC have a lot of issues, especially hacked up ones, but they don't detract from the game. Diamonds changed the game, for the worse.

No, Diamond has just weeded out some players is all. Looked like no one had a problem playing on them in the US Open, but then again, you don't play in the Open, so what would you know.
 
No, Diamond has just weeded out some players is all. Looked like no one had a problem playing on them in the US Open, but then again, you don't play in the Open, so what would you know.

I recall when I asked you on another past thread what you thought about ARCHER not liking Diamonds, and your response was "What has he won lately?". ha ha ha.

If Wu, Ko, Ko, Ko, Chang, Alex, etc, came out today and said to you they like the way the cushions play on a new GC better than a new Diamond, you would tell them they all suck, and since Shane prefers a Diamond, they don't know what they are talking about:):)
 
I recall when I asked you on another past thread what you thought about ARCHER not liking Diamonds, and your response was "What has he won lately?". ha ha ha.

If Wu, Ko, Ko, Ko, Chang, Alex, etc, came out today and said to you they like the way the cushions play on a new GC better than a new Diamond, you would tell them they all suck, and since Shane prefers a Diamond, they don't know what they are talking about:):)

Why don't you refer to facts instead of "IF" because that gives no credibility to your statement, because the FACT is, they haven't said shit!!!
 
No, Diamond has just weeded out some players is all. Looked like no one had a problem playing on them in the US Open, but then again, you don't play in the Open, so what would you know.

If 3 9ft. tables were set up and installed correctly
by you; 1 Diamond, 1 Brunswick Gold Crown 5,
1 Gabriel's Gryffon(or similar model).
Simmonis cloth 860( worn in 1 month), aramith balls
( played with for an hour or two)
Which one would bank the best in your opinion?

Not trying to argue, just genuinely interested.
 
If 3 9ft. tables were set up and installed correctly
by you; 1 Diamond, 1 Brunswick Gold Crown 5,
1 Gabriel's Gryffon(or similar model).
Simmonis cloth 860( worn in 1 month), aramith balls
( played with for an hour or two)
Which one would bank the best in your opinion?

Not trying to argue, just genuinely interested.

With new cloth, and clean, they all would.
 
Blue label diamonds are the greatest tables on earf. I can’t say if it’s because of this or that but when I get to playing 1P on them I make a lot of banks so however they bank I think is the correct way :)

Honestly though I’ve never had a diamond and GC right next to each other to actually do some testing of banks and since I’m all about feel and don’t know a system I can’t actually tell a difference. I get on the table and bang some balls around, info goes into my super computer, and when a bank comes up I just shoot it and adjust if I need to, but I can’t really tell if that aim point would’ve been sufficient on another table.

I think those tables look alright, and I do love the sound of a GC.
 
Blue label diamonds are the greatest tables on earf. I can’t say if it’s because of this or that but when I get to playing 1P on them I make a lot of banks so however they bank I think is the correct way :)

Honestly though I’ve never had a diamond and GC right next to each other to actually do some testing of banks and since I’m all about feel and don’t know a system I can’t actually tell a difference. I get on the table and bang some balls around, info goes into my super computer, and when a bank comes up I just shoot it and adjust if I need to, but I can’t really tell if that aim point would’ve been sufficient on another table.

I think those tables look alright, and I do love the sound of a GC.

This is an Argument ending post!!! Cheers to you! Anyone who can play the game can adjust to the table:)

Trent
 
The tournament is over. The tables played fantastic from the first break to the last ball dropped. Did you guys watch any of the champion from China, 18 year old Zheng play? He is going be better than Shane in a race to 100 in a year or two;);)

The tournament was great from an online spectator perspective. I sure do wish Brunswick would get back into pro pool. I sent them a kind message on FB a day ago, let's see if they respond. (doubtful)
 
Yeah, cool story, bruh..... And one also can't manipulate banks to the same extent as they can on a Diamond.

And folks don't get punished as extremely for coming up thin on balls.

Yawn.

The reverse of that for a Diamond is "folks don't get punished for being too straight on balls".
 
I have a feeling some people can't play at a very good speed.

Table doesn't matter. If you can bank, you can bank on any table after a little adjustment.

If table banks long....adjust.

If table banks short....adjust.

I'm not seeing the big deal about either table.

I must be a better player than I thought cause it seems like some can't make a ball on equipment unless they been playing on it all their life.

I guess that's "one" reason road players and pros are elite......they can play on anything.

It's pool people.

Jeff
 
I have a feeling some people can't play at a very good speed.

Table doesn't matter. If you can bank, you can bank on any table after a little adjustment.

If table banks long....adjust.

If table banks short....adjust.

I'm not seeing the big deal about either table.

I must be a better player than I thought cause it seems like some can't make a ball on equipment unless they been playing on it all their life.

I guess that's "one" reason road players and pros are elite......they can play on anything.

It's pool people.

Jeff

It's not pool to the cry babies, its changes they can't handle. They're not even smart enough to know different cloth causes tables to play different.
 
We don't get to see much pro pool on new GC's anymore. Going on right now is the All Japan Championship. Its being played on brand new GC6's. Take a look at the stream matches on youtube below. Look at the speed the balls bounce off of the cushions. Its noticeably slower than the Diamond cushion that is now dominating the pro scene. Look at the angles the balls take off the cushions. Nothing even remote to "short".

This is how a cushion is supposed to play, IMO of course;)

I watched about 45 min of the first match, but didn't see any of the other ones. The ball reactions off of the rails is simply beautiful. Thanks for listening:)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-pGF2EEAiE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04xBj55d-LU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKhOSINxg4A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MonlFd4aAxo


Two thumbs up, for pool still being played on Brunswick tables. I have an appreciation for the long history of pool being played on Brunswick tables. I know they aren't the same good ol' USA company as before, but I'm glad they are still in the pool table business.
 
Two thumbs up, for pool still being played on Brunswick tables. I have an appreciation for the long history of pool being played on Brunswick tables. I know they aren't the same good ol' USA company as before, but I'm glad they are still in the pool table business.

I wonder if you have that same appreciation for Brunswick pool tables when you walk into a pool room loaded with GCs that are dirty as hell, cloth looks like it should have been replaced well over a year ago, out of level, seams are apart, pocket castings are loose!!!
 
It's not pool to the cry babies, its changes they can't handle. They're not even smart enough to know different cloth causes tables to play different.

Maybe the people who designed the Diamond table/rails/selected the cushion, etc, were not smart enough to make them play right, and settled for a cushion reaction unlike ANYTHING that came in the 50 years before, or the 30 years after, on any other table in existance.
 
You aren’t the only one with an opinion, buddy.
Brunswick lost me from the GC III debacle

I'm curious, the Red label Diamonds were out for 15-18 years (1993 to 2010) (give or take). How come a few bad years of GC3 cushions ruined Brunswick for you, but 15 years of complaints on Red label Diamonds before they did anything about it by changing to Blue label did not turn you off to them?
 
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