Production Cues

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All I hear about on here all day every day is about "Custom" cues, which aren't really custom but merely cues made by independent cue makers, or cues that aren't on the production line. With all that said...

Tell me about your Favorite Production Cues!!

Maker and Model if possible...
 
JOSS.

Tell you about them?

I dunno.....

How about this:

From my post here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=272126&page=2&highlight=joss

JOSS actually isn't a very large shop. They employed automation for such things as cutting shafts etc some years ago (I believe). AFAIK they had/have large machines that cut tens of shafts at a time which saves manual labor at the lathes. Probably the final operations are still done by individuals at the lathes but you can imagine if you have a machine that can turn thirty shafts or butts down how much employee time that might save without compromising the final product if the final operations still have human hands on them. This is what I have put together from reading various different sources on the matter including interviews with Janes among other things. I don't know how accurate it is, it is what I surmise from my extensive reading on anything I could find on the matter.

Personally I don't see Schon as the "highest end" production maker, just the most expensive. The two are not the same in my book. I don't actually see them as any "higher" than JOSS and in some ways lower actually.

You can still get sharp point cues from JOSS while Schon couldn't even be compelled to do it for their recent small run of Balabushka "tribute" cues. They had CNC inlaid points.

Dan Janes is a Hall of Fame cue maker and a pioneer in the industry. He moved to CNC early, began coring of all his cues early, made dedicated jump and break cues as early as the mid 1980's if not earlier, made laminated shafts years ago and since moved away from it. He was making cues for ten years before Schon ever even started. I remember the early Schon cues. Very JOSS-like in my opinion. They are absolutely excellent cues but I have always seen them as JOSS wannabe cues. In the end they out-performed JOSS in pricing, but I don't believe they have ever out-performed JOSS as a cue. Yes, I know, they have a very loyal following and a lot of people like them and how they play. These are just my own opinions and admittedly are biased by my own long term relationship with my own JOSS.

JOSS continues to lead and innovate but not with loud flashy marketing, not with unrealistic claims of crushing victories or technology that will win pool games instead of a player's skill. They move steadily forward in dignified fashion.


One can absolutely spend more for a player than the asking price for a JOSS...but the question one must ask is "why?". Not that they can't be out-done by "customs" built to the discriminating and capable player's specifications...but when/if one reaches that level JOSS can and will build that for you too.


If you have money to burn or invest in art work, that's a different story. If you are just hooked on cues like a lot of us are, that's another story. I can't argue with somebody that owns, shoots with, or wants, a Scruggs/Gina/Szam/Hececk/etc. Heck, I desperately want a Mottey myself. But if one wants a killer player for smallish money, it's hard to beat a JOSS. In fact I say you really can't. Just wait and watch and you can find a JOSS in nice shape for $100-$150...just be ready to pounce because it will sell right away. I have four JOSS cues....and I paid $35 for the best one (seventies cue), $90 for my JOSS jumper brand new in about 1992, and $65 and $95 for the other two (the one for $95 came with a case and a Dufferin).

High end production cue? I say JOSS beats the rest. But then, I am biased and still stuck in a time when Varner and Sigel were beating everybody and their mother with JOSS cues.



Some of mine:
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J3300 and M-004
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I've got a couple Jacoby's I really like. The two I'm talking about were chosen from their website and were available to anyone, the Jacoby Hustler (wrapless plain-jane) and a model D-11 (wood veneers).

If you want to get even more production than that, my wife and I both own Lucasi's that we both like (hers is an LE-18, mine an LE-66).

Maniac
 
I have 2 Dale Perry 1 of 1 cues. No one else in the world has them I tell ya, just me.

I tease about DP but truthfully I love my 2. One is curly maple and the other PH. The points and inlays are so almost identical that they could be a matched set. That is why I have chosen to keep them.
Other than that, DP makes a great player for the money. I don't know how Dale does it with only supposedly 2 makers in the shop but he does a great job however he does it.

One of my others is a McDermott Deacon. Cue of the month, July 07.
A little rear heavy for me and I don't play as well with that as some of my others but I love the cue so much, its a keeper.

I have a Chinese made Balabushka tribute cue. It is very well made and a great player. It was so cheap I was amazed at the quality. I even had one player ask me if that was a real Balabushka. No BS.

The rest of mine are either Brunswick conversions and customs that I had made to my specs.

Ooops, forgot my Meucci PP1. Love it to death. And 2 Schons. Whether you want to call them custom or production it doesn't matter to me as they are keepers too.

It doesn't matter if a cue is specifically made to your specs from a maker or not. I have my specs. If I buy a cue and it doesn't conform to what I have in my mind as my specs, I sell it and move on. If it works for me, I keep it, custom or not.

And my newest addition. A JD cue. It is so wonderfully balanced. It does have a few issues but I bought it for a player, not a closet Queen. I can over look a couple of issues. This is a cue that when I saw it for sale, I knew I wanted it. It had notched diamonds and window boxes in the butt sleeve. If I were to order a custom to my specs, this one wouldn't have been far off. The part of it being wonderfully balanced was just an added bonus when I got it.

My daily player is a PR cue that I got on Fleece Bay for well under 100. I put a new wrap on it, refinished it. I changed the pin to a 3/8ths. I had to shorten the joint collar on the butt side so the cue is 57". Someone gave me a God fugly shaft with sugar marks on it all over. European taper. I took the shaft collar off the warped shaft and put them on the ugly shaft. This cue plays real nice. As of late, I found out that the PR stands for Pen Ray and is Chinese.
 
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I have a really nice Lucasi model lewr Cocobolo cue.It came with a cheap looking leather wrap that I had replaced with brown speck linen.
This cue plays very well and I always have people comment on how good it looks.
 

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My daily player is a PR cue that I got on Fleece Bay for well under 100. I put a new wrap on it, refinished it. I changed the pin to a 3/8ths. I had to shorten the joint collar on the butt side so the cue is 57". Someone gave me a God fugly shaft with sugar marks on it all over. European taper. I took the shaft collar off the warped shaft and put them on the ugly shaft. This cue plays real nice. As of late, I found out that the PR stands for Pen Ray and is Chinese.


Apparently they are going up in value!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/13067728374...AX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648#ht_500wt_1054


LOL!

Nice piece of wood anyway. But not for that price....


I actually would like a nice four point PR eventually. Fits with my cheap pool cue themed collection. :grin:
 
I really like Meucci, but I really don't like all the new cues with defects.

Every time I order, it's like playing the lottery. :mad:
 
All I hear about on here all day every day is about "Custom" cues, which aren't really custom but merely cues made by independent cue makers, or cues that aren't on the production line. With all that said...

Tell me about your Favorite Production Cues!!

Maker and Model if possible...

Well obviously there are Custom cues, unless that was just a troll fishing attempt, but...

My favorite "production" cues start back with early Palmers of which I still have 2. Then Meucci pre 90's. I have about half a dozen somewhat collectables and probably the cue I grew up on the most more or less. I shot a few McDs around the same time and while they were very well built cues there's something about a Schon, mid 90's if you like a real solid hitting cue. That would mostly put Schon on top and right under my "Custom" cues. :)
 
Well, just getting back into the game after 30 years or so.
I've got a Japanese Helmstetter, an old blue logo Palmer and a plain Jane Viking.
None worth over $100 but plenty good for my 15 cent game.
They all hit better than I do. back in the late 60s and early 70s when I was shooting regular my only cue was a Vintage Willy Hoppe. Only one I've ever seen with a brass joint, probably a 5/16 pin. Brass face plate, no rings. Soon as I get it down here from wa. I'll post some pics so Chopdoc can id it:thumbup:
 
Blade, I have 2 early 90's Schons. Are you saying that they may be worth the price that I paid for them?

That would be great news for me.
 
let me start by saying that i have been a lurker here for a very long time...and have found tons of helpful info on this site. thank you much!

i recently purchased my first real cue, after spending years playing with bar cues and the brunswick that came with my table. i narrowed my search down to Viking, Lucasi or a McD and spent a few weeks test hitting different models of all three. while they all felt fine, none of them really spoke to me any more than the other, and none really seemed to be all that much of an improvement over what I was already using. After a couple months of more researching info and reading reviews, i took a gamble and ordered a Joss having never even picked one up.

...all i can say is that i am so thankful i did. what an amazing stick. Im not saying its better than a lucasi, viking or McD...but to me, it just feels right. something different about it that just really speaks to the way i play. and while i know its a production cue, it doesnt feel quite as 'production' as the others i picked up. top notch quality work and a really great company to work with.

thank you to all the people of this board who contributed to the seemingly endless threads on the subject...it helped push me to make what i feel was the best choice.

cheers
 
All I hear about on here all day every day is about "Custom" cues, which aren't really custom but merely cues made by independent cue makers, or cues that aren't on the production line. With all that said...

Tell me about your Favorite Production Cues!!

Maker and Model if possible...



Adam / Helmstetter cues.


I answered your question please answer mine. Please explain what a custom cue is~~~
 
Jacoby all the way

I've got a couple Jacoby's I really like. The two I'm talking about were chosen from their website and were available to anyone, the Jacoby Hustler (wrapless plain-jane) and a model D-11 (wood veneers).

If you want to get even more production than that, my wife and I both own Lucasi's that we both like (hers is an LE-18, mine an LE-66).

Maniac

I also have a 21 oz Hustler & a 24 oz Heavy Hitter break cue

I will be long dead before my skill matches their potential.

The Heavy Hitter readily explodes the rack with minimal effort thereby increasing accuracy.
 
Mr. Webb :)

By far the best quality if it s about production-cues are built by Mezz and Pechauer.
Mezz has an impressive quality, very good coat (nearly perfect imo)- furthermore their shafts are showing ab with a very repeatable quality which includes their good playability.

lg from overseas,

a happy Josey User^^

Ingo
 
i agree, owned several mezz cues,always high quality. Use since 3 years Mezz exceed,for me top notch
 
Just about any R series Schon is my favorite production cue. I have a nice R6 that I have been hitting with and just love the hit and feel. There is something to be said for 30 year old shaft wood and micarta ferrules.
 
some are custom

i have a 1 of 1 jacoby built to my soecific specs and i dont mean just style and choice of woods but also exact weight balance point joint and joint materuaks as well as pin so its custom enough for me. As for produbtion i retired my schon put a 13.5 joss shaft and samsara tip and made it my breaker. And i have to say if you want a cue built with very specific specs it is not that easy to find someone willing to build but Dave and Brandon did and nailed it perfectly. I love my cue and wouldnt trade it for a southwest Buar or anyother cue even up.
 
Thats what I hear.
Any comments on this Mr. Webb?
Bob has been cleaning house a lot lately. The cues I've seen made this year have had no defects. It takes 4-6 weeks to get one made now because of how particular he's being. He isn't happy with the negative feedback and is working hard to recover.
 
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