Proof and Truth!!!!!!!!

[digitalcrack]

my 2 cents

I was skeptical when I saw such a cheap price with an unknown refinishing stuff who I have seen so many bad feedback in sending out cues as describe. You do get what you pay for. That is why I'm saving up to get work done by Petree who I have seen the great work and responds in a very professional manner. I asked him a few questions and he answered them within a day. How does an unknown expect to get an respect from anyone presenting himself as such a hostile business person when things don't go right? That may not what he is trying to do but to people who have never seen him interact may think he is hostile based on his messages.

 

[the_saint_siwa]

I'm not convinced the cue is in the mail, as I have been told countless times in the last month and a half that's its "just about out the door".

Did you get a tracking#?

 

[rackem]

My fault I know.
I honestly didn't want Russ' finish on the cue because of the ring popping issue. This is my 3rd Espiritu and the 2nd with the nickle/silver trim rings, both of which would raise through the clear in time. Russ makes great looking and excellent hitting cues IMO (I like S/S joints ), but his finish is just not up to par, again, this is just my opinion.
I'm not convinced the cue is in the mail, as I have been told countless times in the last month and a half that's its "just about out the door".
Id like to see how some of you other guys would react to being without your playing cue for almost 7 weeks when you was told it would be 1-3 weeks tops, then cant get a straight answer as to why or where your cue is.

Well, I hope you got to use that Hoppe/Titlist style cue you got from me. I just posted them again if you know anybody interested. Good Luck, I have a feeling all will turn out well

 

[Sore_Aintya]

I should be so lucky.

Did you get a tracking#?

Your kidding right, I cant even get him to tell me the address he shipped the cue to!
I just moved, and gave Aaron my mothers address to ship the cue on 2 separate occasions. Once via a private message, then again over the phone.
If he sent it to my old house address it will be another 5-7 days for rerouting to my new home address, and that's assuming he even shipped the cue.

 

[Sore_Aintya]

Well, I hope you got to use that Hoppe/Titlist style cue you got from me. I just posted them again if you know anybody interested. Good Luck, I have a feeling all will turn out well

That's exactly what Ive been using on and off for the last couple months. Had a friend make me a new shaft for it and been shooting rather well.
Thanks.

 

[the_saint_siwa]

Your kidding right, I cant even get him to tell me the address he shipped the cue to!
I just moved, and gave Aaron my mothers address to ship the cue on 2 separate occasions. Once via a private message, then again over the phone.
If he sent it to my old house address it will be another 5-7 days for rerouting to my new home address, and that's assuming he even shipped the cue.

OMG!!! Call him and ask, providing that if he is still gonna answer a call from you. Wow, what a mess!!!

 

[JimBo]

I wouldn't know because I've ignored RE for years. But if that's true, then what took so long? The guy's been making cues since 1984, Jim.

Roll your eyes all you want in 1984 you could have bought all the Balabushka's and Szamboti's you wanted for 1,500. I said the last few years because I have not followed his history that close, but to say he's never made a cue worth 1,500 is just wrong, might be your opinion but your opinion is wrong.

It's obvious that you're a mind-reader, Jim.

Not trying to be just pointing out that you have an agenda in this case.


Which was my first clue that this customer is squirrel bait.

Dave I'm not taking sides, you are, I'm just pointing out that your judgement is clouded and you are wrong on this one.

Jim

 

[TATE]

Id like to see how some of you other guys would react to being without your playing cue for almost 7 weeks

Not well, since we would probably have impregnanted our women by then!

Chris

 

[CAMCUES]

OK metal rings in a cue will always exspand and contract with changing enviroment because they are a metal there is no way other than cutting the rings below surface level and that runs the risk of getting tool marks in the ring that are very hard to sand out..So basicly If you see rings in the butt of a cue most of the time you can fill them . the metal above wrap and at joint most of the time you can't fill as bad as the rings in the butt this is because there is more metal mass in the rings at the butt of a cue than there is at the joint . The less mass or material the less they will move or pop out .
I just wanted to state this fact for all who think rings popping out is some fault of a cuemaker or finish guy . If you like rings in a cue then understand they may pop out on you at some point.
Sorry to get off subject but I just had this discussion so it was freash on my mind and someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

The Shipping issue is starting to sound funny tho

 

[TATE]

OK metal rings in a cue will always exspand and contract with changing enviroment because they are a metal there is no way other than cutting the rings below surface level and that runs the risk of getting tool marks in the ring that are very hard to sand out..So basicly If you see rings in the butt of a cue most of the time you can fill them . the metal above wrap and at joint most of the time you can't fill as bad as the rings in the butt this is because there is more metal mass in the rings at the butt of a cue than there is at the joint . The less mass or material the less they will move or pop out .
I just wanted to state this fact for all who think rings popping out is some fault of a cuemaker or finish guy . If you like rings in a cue then understand they may pop out on you at some point.
Sorry to get off subject but I just had this discussion so it was freash on my mind and someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

The Shipping issue is starting to sound funny tho

It's not just rings, but all finishes continue to shrink as they cure and any inlay material will move differently than the surrounding wood. It doesn't take much. Something as microscopically thin as a human hair is easily felt on a smooth surface. Today's finishes cure faster and are much more elastic than the finishes of old, so they are less affected by the movement.

Take any cue, clench your fingers lightly around it on the forearm near the inalys, and quickly turn the cue by the handle with your free hand. On most cues, even the ones that seem perfectly smooth, you will feel the inlays.

Most of that stuff can just be polished out - it's really no big deal.

Chris

 

[Dhakala]

Dave I'm not taking sides, you are, I'm just pointing out that your judgement is clouded and you are wrong on this one.

Jim

Jimbo, the Zen Cueist may not always be right, but he is never wrong!

 

[Dhakala]

I agree, and it's not just rings, but all finishes continue to shrink as they cure and any inlay material will move differently than the surrounding wood.

I agree. I'm just wondering how long, typically, it takes for wood to shrink and inlays to pop up.

 

[cueaddicts]

I agree. I'm just wondering how long, typically, it takes for wood to shrink and inlays to pop up.

There's no clear answer for this....it depends on many, many variables:

~ rings generally don't "move"...it's rather everything else move around them

~ the materials used (type, quality, glues, etc.)

~how tight/loose inlays were fit into the pockets

~where the cue was made (climate/enviroment, temp, humidity, changes, etc.)

~where the cue ends up (climate/environment, temp, humidty, changes, etc.)

~ for that matter, where it's travelled (climate/environment, temp, humidty, changes, etc.)

~ how the cue has been stored

~ etc.

 

[merylane]

this is one of the dumb asst posts ive ever read.

it ranks right up there with someone saying the moisture content is higher in nickle silver rings than sterling

OK metal rings in a cue will always exspand and contract with changing enviroment because they are a metal there is no way other than cutting the rings below surface level and that runs the risk of getting tool marks in the ring that are very hard to sand out..So basicly If you see rings in the butt of a cue most of the time you can fill them . the metal above wrap and at joint most of the time you can't fill as bad as the rings in the butt this is because there is more metal mass in the rings at the butt of a cue than there is at the joint . The less mass or material the less they will move or pop out .
I just wanted to state this fact for all who think rings popping out is some fault of a cuemaker or finish guy . If you like rings in a cue then understand they may pop out on you at some point.
Sorry to get off subject but I just had this discussion so it was freash on my mind and someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

The Shipping issue is starting to sound funny tho

 

[firemankc]

Is Jerry your man? Perfect in Pa = Jerry Rauenzahn!! Amazing if there are more guys that good in Pa!
Nick

Could be Scott Sherbine from Proficient Billiards. I've sent him some high dollar cues for refinish work. I would have to say he has done fantastic work for me and never a problem contacting him. Casey

 

[JoeyInCali]

OK metal rings in a cue will always exspand and contract with changing enviroment because they are a metal there is no way other than cutting the rings below surface level and that runs the risk of getting tool marks in the ring that are very hard to sand out..So basicly If you see rings in the butt of a cue most of the time you can fill them . the metal above wrap and at joint most of the time you can't fill as bad as the rings in the butt this is because there is more metal mass in the rings at the butt of a cue than there is at the joint . The less mass or material the less they will move or pop out .
I just wanted to state this fact for all who think rings popping out is some fault of a cuemaker or finish guy . If you like rings in a cue then understand they may pop out on you at some point.
Sorry to get off subject but I just had this discussion so it was freash on my mind and someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

The Shipping issue is starting to sound funny tho

You can FEEL the rings you mean.
They are not supposed to pop out. Use good epoxy, scratch their faces and use a small triangular file and file some nothches inside.
They don't expand or contract, it's the wood next to them. So bordering them with phenolic is almost a must.

 

[skins]

Dave you are wrong, in the past few years Rus has pumped out some really nice work, it's obvious you have an issue with Rus and you have a soft spot in your heart for Aaron. But the fact remains you get what you pay for, anyone who wants to pay Aaron to LEARN how to work on cues gets what they paid for and they get what they deserve. There is no reason not to use the original maker to do work on thier own cues. In the long run doing things the RIGHT way may cost a bit more but you can be sure things won't turn out like they did in this case.

Jim

i already said this in an ealier post with a pic.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Metal only expands and contracts with temperature change. The rings would have to get so hot that they would melt long before they reached a temperature high enough to cause an amount of expansion one could feel.

 

[PAINPOOL]

Fact: Cue was recieved by me on 8-4 , When I got to work on it on the 8-9 The signature was unable to be saved. Fact: I sent you a PM as fast as I could and asked you what you wanted to do. I took pictures of the signature and you said you had also. Fact: I only (asked) you if you wanted me to sign the cue or get a letter from Russ. Fact: You said no, Contact Russ and have him sign it. Fact: Here is the copy from my PayPal Visa Debit Card Purchase To FEDEX SHP 08/18/06 AB# 857-430419758 TN Completed Details -$52.01 USD $0.00 USD -$52.01 USD This is when I finally got a hold of him. Fact: Here is a link to my wesite post that I launched on 9-7 http://p7.hostingprod.com/@billiardsolution.com/about_us_page.html Does that second picture of me spraying a cue look familiar??????? That was your cue being busted on right as soon as Russ took till 9-4 to get me the cue back!! Fact: I did tell you when you finally made your first phone call to me on Tuesday on 9-11 that it would be done no later than Thursday. Fact: A spot on the cue had to be gone over twice to ensure that it would not shrink into the points and the joint collar rings would not POP!! Fact: I am Not sending the cue back, NOT RIGHT!!! I did not bullSh!@ you in anyway at all and you my friend have really made a mistake!!! Here is your shipping info with pictures of your reciept of when I TOLD YOU IT FINALLY WAS RIGHT AND LEFT!!!! Look at the picture close, It was on the stamp on the 18th the day I felt the cue was right and could leave!! 48 PM"S in 45 days is NOT POOR COMUNICATION. THATS OVER A PM A DAY!!!! Next time send it to Macco. You'll get it back in no time!

 

[PAINPOOL]

Fact: Cue was recieved by me on 8-4 , When I got to work on it on the 8-9 The signature was unable to be saved. Fact: I sent you a PM as fast as I could and asked you what you wanted to do. I took pictures of the signature and you said you had also. Fact: I only (asked) you if you wanted me to sign the cue or get a letter from Russ. Fact: You said no, Contact Russ and have him sign it. Fact: Here is the copy from my PayPal Visa Debit Card Purchase To FEDEX SHP 08/18/06 AB# 857-430419758 TN Completed Details -$52.01 USD $0.00 USD -$52.01 USD This is when I finally got a hold of him. Fact: Here is a link to my wesite post that I launched on 9-7 http://p7.hostingprod.com/@billiardsolution.com/about_us_page.html Does that second picture of me spraying a cue look familiar??????? That was your cue being busted on right as soon as Russ took till 9-4 to get me the cue back!! Fact: I did tell you when you finally made your first phone call to me on Tuesday on 9-11 that it would be done no later than Thursday. Fact: A spot on the cue had to be gone over twice to ensure that it would not shrink into the points and the joint collar rings would not POP!! Fact: I am Not sending the cue back, NOT RIGHT!!! I did not bullSh!@ you in anyway at all and you my friend have really made a mistake!!! Here is your shipping info with pictures of your reciept of when I TOLD YOU IT FINALLY WAS RIGHT AND LEFT!!!! Look at the picture close, It was on the stamp on the 18th the day I felt the cue was right and could leave!! 48 PM"S in 45 days is NOT POOR COMUNICATION. THATS OVER A PM A DAY!!!! Next time send it to Macco. You'll get it back in no time!