Pulling up in the middle of a set when score is tied
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Jay, I have no problem with you what so ever, You came on and said how Dennis learned the move he put on from US players. All that happened was he made a bad game, quits in the middle of the set, and anywhere I have ever played, that is a loss of the set. You came on and tried to speak up in Dennis's behalf. You made some comments that didn't smell right. Gambling , Hustling, Road Trips, and writing a book about all of the above. What do you think of Jack Cooney being a lifelong hustler ? Do you respect him or is he a lowlife hustler that hid his skill very well? Is it wrong Jay that your houseguest got in a trap of his own. ( It ain't no fun when the rabbits got the gun) Poor Dennis, Poor Me. Fact is he weaseled out of the bet. Gary
Jay, I have no problem with you what so ever, You came on and said how Dennis learned the move he put on from US players. All that happened was he made a bad game, quits in the middle of the set, and anywhere I have ever played, that is a loss of the set. You came on and tried to speak up in Dennis's behalf. You made some comments that didn't smell right. Gambling , Hustling, Road Trips, and writing a book about all of the above. What do you think of Jack Cooney being a lifelong hustler ? Do you respect him or is he a lowlife hustler that hid his skill very well? Is it wrong Jay that your houseguest got in a trap of his own. ( It ain't no fun when the rabbits got the gun) Poor Dennis, Poor Me. Fact is he weaseled out of the bet. Gary
The reason Jay is getting grief is because he has contradicted himself at least 6 times in this same thread. People see right through all of this. All I asked him is if it would be Dennis' money or Jay's. Dennis won $ 6000 2 days after so if Dennis cared about what he had done he would have told Jay to send the money, he did not so Dennis didn't learn a damn thing and will probably do it again. You are right about one thing my money deal with dennis ended when I gave him $ 850 back. I never started this thread, I came home saw it and wanted to tell people exactly what happened. Can you imagine what Jay would have said if I had taken the money and kept it after Dennis forfeited and refused to play... Jay would have been telling everyone that Rob stole Dennis' money when they were tied in the set and dennis was wanting to play and thats a guarantee. For him to contradict himself so many times in this thread with the situation being what it is imagine how he would have twisted everything if I kept the money. HOLY CRAP lmfao Maybe you should reread some of jay's responses and excuses in this thread. Are you kidding me?
I never attached a stipulation on how Jay should handle Dennis, I asked if it would be Dennis or Jays thats it. If it was Jays I did not want it because it means Dennis learned nothing and thinks he did nothing wrong. If it was Dennis' than obviously he knew he was wrong because why else would he send the money.
The bottom line is it was a real simple question that Jay never answered. Instead of Jay coming out and saying Dennis has decided to not send anything Jay turned into how i hustled poor Dennis. Jay does not want to see Dennis seen as bad action which the majority of pros now do.. How would you like to gamble the best in the world and if you are lucky enough to be in a close game he might up and quit on you?
In conclusion I didn't come on here looking for a settlement and I sure as hell don't want one now anyway. However I was not going to let Jay get away with twisting and contracting himself when it benefits Dennis. IF Dennis does this again I wonder what everyone will say......
Jack Cooney is Jay's hero and he would set a trap for a month and played guys that couldn't play a lick and get 5 balls from them. I play the best in the world and Im a piece of crap.. LMFAO Jay is so hypocritical its a joke. THAT IS MY PROBLEM WITH JAY!! and he doesn't like it when I call him on it. Jay still hasn't commented on the $ 200 Dennis stole from the kid from Miami playing EVEN 10 ball. That was a sweet deuce they whacked up.
You were never a hustler Jay? Here is a quote from Danny D's book when you thought you had Danny trapped throwing a golf ball 100 yards..
""Jay was a NUT ARTIST HIMSELF, so he knew he had been set up. But he paid me the four hundred without so much as a groan."
went to the t-shit
Hust-lin
1. To jostle and push
2. To work or move energetically and rapidly
3. To act aggressively, especially in business dealings
4. Slang:
a. to sell or get by aggressive means
b. To solicit customers. Used of a pimp or prostitute
c To misrepresent one's ability in order to deceive someone, especially in gambling.
from my reading of the thread it would appear that everyone got "Hustled" in some way.
4c started it... where $1000 was to be won with the possibility of a 2nd set! through the classic misrepresentation of one's ability and ... then...
4a was employed by getting a settlement using "aggressive means" in this case emotional manipulation (the so called begging and crying which worked!)... so... at 8/8 Dennis is going to lose $1K with nothing in his pocket... but HE walked out $850 .... the other has $150 and a thread on AZ (priceless?!)... who was the better hustler?
This romantic ideal of honor among thieves is and always has been total BS..... there are reasons why road "partners" sleep with the bank roll under their pillow and take it with them when they are going for a piss.....
The entire thread seems to be a discussion of how unfair it is that the fish threw the hook as opposed to why the fisherman failed to land the big one...
Hust-lin
1. To jostle and push
2. To work or move energetically and rapidly
3. To act aggressively, especially in business dealings
4. Slang:
a. to sell or get by aggressive means
b. To solicit customers. Used of a pimp or prostitute
c To misrepresent one's ability in order to deceive someone, especially in gambling.
from my reading of the thread it would appear that everyone got "Hustled" in some way.
4c started it... where $1000 was to be won with the possibility of a 2nd set! through the classic misrepresentation of one's ability and ... then...
4a was employed by getting a settlement using "aggressive means" in this case emotional manipulation (the so called begging and crying which worked!)... so... at 8/8 Dennis is going to lose $1K with nothing in his pocket... but HE walked out $850 .... the other has $150 and a thread on AZ (priceless?!)... who was the better hustler?
This romantic ideal of honor among thieves is and always has been total BS..... there are reasons why road "partners" sleep with the bank roll under their pillow and take it with them when they are going for a piss.....
The entire thread seems to be a discussion of how unfair it is that the fish threw the hook as opposed to why the fisherman failed to land the big one...
How about this "kid" post the time you keep referring to instead of him being an imaginary tiny tim who dennis brutally robbed out of his moms money.
To lose $200 dollars to the best player in the world hardly sounds horrible.
Let's see..
Was it his money?
Did the kid know who Dennis was?
Can this kid post or does he need parental approval?
Has this kid ever robbed or hustled anybody?
Is he a secret hustler or are we entitled to his full name since it is relevant to whether dennis hustled him or not
I think these are all relevant since this thread is ongoing
P.S. when thebighurt first posted it was refreshing to hear it from the horses mouth and myself and it looks like everybody agreed Dennis was wrong. But this is what you call over-kill to the point of nausea.
I think everybody deserves to know what the "real" issue with Jay thebighurt has since he is the one on the offensive.. please don't blame it on contradictions from a post where he said he would send you $350
To lose $200 dollars to the best player in the world hardly sounds horrible.
Let's see..
Was it his money?
Did the kid know who Dennis was?
Can this kid post or does he need parental approval?
Has this kid ever robbed or hustled anybody?
Is he a secret hustler or are we entitled to his full name since it is relevant to whether dennis hustled him or not
I think these are all relevant since this thread is ongoing
P.S. when thebighurt first posted it was refreshing to hear it from the horses mouth and myself and it looks like everybody agreed Dennis was wrong. But this is what you call over-kill to the point of nausea.
I think everybody deserves to know what the "real" issue with Jay thebighurt has since he is the one on the offensive.. please don't blame it on contradictions from a post where he said he would send you $350
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I don't know anything about this game and absolutely had nothing to do with it. I don't even know who "Chris" is. Nice try Rob. One more failed accusation. By the way I never called you a "piece of crap". You were the one who used that term to define yourself. But you would know better than me, wouldn't you.
You were also the one who chose to use defamatory words about me. I don't need to stoop that low when disagreeing with someone on here.
LMAO. The woman certainly knows how to poke the bear with just a gentle nudge.
Here are just a couple of the things you have said in this thread
First in your opening sentence in your ' peace offering" you said Dennis said he didn't know who he was playing just some "fat guy" that was your first dig in your "peace offering". You could have just said some guy but you were mad that Dennis was in this predicament.
In your very next sentence you say " Twice he was playing ahead sets (for serious money) and his opponent quit when they were even. Dennis did not want to quit either time. So this is something that he has learned over here from our pool players.
So already you are making an excuse for him and blaming it on OUR PLAYERS
Then in another post you say you never blamed it on our players
Next in your "peace offering" "Rob, you haven't always been such an angel yourself and have given me a hard time on here more than once"
Then
"Granted he still had a chance to win since the score was tied". Trying to lessen Dennis' offense.
Then later you say I trapped him and he had no chance.
When someone told how Dennis was stealing all weekend your response was
"Dennis played Chip Compton One Pocket for $2,000 and everyone said he was the underdog. He was behind 4-2 and 6-0 in balls in a Race to Six and somehow managed to win 6-4. No one got robbed! Dennis had to overcome a tough opponent to win. Some bad info here."
You left out that Dennis won the 2nd set 6 to 0 12 to 4 overall and he won $ 6000
Then this
"Dennis had been playing all day, one tournament after another. They held the Straight Pool match up for hours until he could play. They really should have waited until the next day as Dennis was worn out by then. Dennis asked them to wait but they said no. He tried to play but was too drained and finally just gave up. I wanted him to keep playing but I could see he was done! Max was happy, he got the first place money ($2,500 I think).
Jay they were filming this, what do you think they were filming this final for their health and you make excuses for him quitting.
Then this
"Yeah, Rob laid it down good, acting like he was a bad player, shooting off his thumb until the bet was made. He's a good hustler and he definitely trapped Dennis. Other people reported this move to me. They told me later that Rob got Dennis in a trap. Congrats to him for being such a good hustler. That's something to be proud of.
Jack Cooney is one of your all time heroes Jay. Why don't you tell everyone how Jack went about making scores? How about your book Pool Wars?
I shoot with an open bridge off my thumb 95% of the time Jay. I had played 3 matches on that table before me and Dennis played. Dennis and I agreed on our game before I ever hit a ball, just so you know Jay seeing how you weren't there for any of this.
Then this
By the way, I was never a "hustler" in the pool world. I went looking for games and played even up most of the time. I found out early on that if you lay down you only get out of stroke. Rob is far better at that then me.
Oh really jay? Danny Diliberto says you were a GREAT GAME MAKER and NUT HUNTER.. let me guess Jay.. Danny is a liar now also?
All you have shown here is that you will say anything at anytime to benefit Dennis and yourself. Im glad the overwhelming majority see through this.
Just think Jay all you had to say was YES its Dennis money and I would have taken the settlement...although you wouldn't have looked like such a hero in that case would you Jay? So if you really wanted all this to end I wonder why you didn;t say that... hmmm...
The next time I see you I am going to sit you down and we are going to get everything ironed out once and for all so we have no further miscommunications
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i agree you made the safe play.
in the game i was talking about the owner too was holding the $$, the mistake that was made(I wasnt there or it would have been 8 ahead) is the set wa2 too long 12 ahead 10B on 4" pockets, we got 8 ahead maybe 9 the first day and would have won. I should have been there to make the game, i was just a piece of the action not staking it-I dont stake. So it was my fault too
dont happen often but it does on ahead sets, not getting paid that is....even with a posted steak. I seen it a few times in the past. very rare tho
After watching the 9 ball finals in Tunica I wondered to myself why Dennis was tilting so much. I didnt see the first match between LeeVan but in the second set Dennis dogged an easy ball when they were tied at 7/7. Dennis should have won that game and gone on to win the title. But he himself let it slip through his fingers.
I asked myself why. I had seen him so many times and he seemed to never flinch when the money was on the line.
Something evidently was pressuring him and he was definitely on tilt.
Now we can assume why. The money meant especially more to him now that he was busted by the casino. He didnt win 6K he lost first place money.
He lost that self confidence that he is famously known for.
I hope he learns something from it.
What goes around comes around.
I asked myself why. I had seen him so many times and he seemed to never flinch when the money was on the line.
Something evidently was pressuring him and he was definitely on tilt.
Now we can assume why. The money meant especially more to him now that he was busted by the casino. He didnt win 6K he lost first place money.
He lost that self confidence that he is famously known for.
I hope he learns something from it.
What goes around comes around.
Jay, I have always thought you to be a very wise pool person, with the exceptions of your bias toward pinoy players over American players, and women players speed, compared to men.
You also had to add in one of your post how Dennis learned this move from the Americans, again running American players down to defend a chicken shit move Dennis made. You have admitted it was a bad move, but look at all the excuses you have used to try and turn it around and make Americans the bad guys.
She is the first to cry about Pro Players being bashed, But I guess its ok when she provides the thread how two sided is that
Well, if he was a American player, people would be claiming he dumped the match.
How can anyone really defend what Dennis did? If a American player had done this to Efren, Busty, Alex or Dennis, most people here would want their heads!
Already told it. 2011 Chris played Dennis in the action room $ 25 a game even 10 ball. Lost $ 200. It was his money. Not going to say his last name or speed the bottom line is he was getting robbed. Chris was in a worse game than Dennis was in with me. Guess what IT HAPPENS.. thats the point.. Chris didn't cry and whine about losing, he paid off.. I didn't see Jay come running in telling Dennis that the game was out of line.. you know why because its part of pool.. you make a bad game and you take your lumps and if your the supposed best gambler on the planet you sure as hell don't pull the move Dennis pulled.. By the way seeing how I just posted 6 cases where Jay did a complete 180 on what he said.. IN THE SAME THREAD.. him calling me a liar means ZERO. You see I dont have to accuse Jay of anything, he said all these himself. I just copied and pasted what came out of his own mouth.
P.S. Dont worry give Jay another day or 2 and he will have people thinking I quit on Dennis LMFAO
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