I disagree about there ever being a time when players mostly matched up even.
You can go all the way back to the 1800s and read about top players matching up with weight. Often the negotiations would take months for big high profile matches.
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I disagree about there ever being a time when players mostly matched up even.
You can go all the way back to the 1800s and read about top players matching up with weight. Often the negotiations would take months for big high profile matches.
And the spots were HUGE. English billiards spotting 1000 points to get action, always in the papers.
1000 points!!!! That's 500-1000 balls!!!!
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After reading your story and perspective, I'd say you are definitely a *somebody*. :wink:
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brian kc
I apologize in advance for being that snooty dude who links to logical fallacies,
but this is just such a clearcut example that it's hard not to point it out.
Appeal to tradition (also known as argumentum ad antiquitatem, appeal to antiquity, or appeal to common practice) is a common fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way."
Sure, people have done it for a long time and we romanticise it.
Doesn't mean it's right. Cheating at cards has been around for hundreds of years
and you see it in movies too.
lol, I need ethics training because I think it's wrong to deceive someone in order to
get their money?
Can't deny it's part of pool. And maybe complaining about it will never change that.
But I'm going to anyway because it drives me nuts to see people who walk around
with their sense of right and wrong ass backwards.
It's ridiculous that we put con artists on a pedestal and even claim they're a victim.
There's a difference between matching up and straight hustling.
True or false?
Are you asking how many balls Corey needs to spot Timmy playing a race-to-whatever?
I'm not talking about balls and spots, I'm talking about whether people seriously expect
the victim of a hustle to just suck it up once he realizes what's happened.
"sorry that I'm stealing money from you, but a deal is a deal."
Creedo;
If you are going to quote me, be kind enough to indicate that you have cut and pasted my statement because the way you did it above, for instance, takes what I said out of context.
Positioning my stating that imo Rob did nothing wrong next to the other two statements I made about giving oneself an edge, which originally appeared nowhere near that one, not only takes it out of context but it serves to buttress your position.
And we all know how dead against unfair play you are, right?
best,
brian kc <--- tries hard not to get hustled in debate
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Don't you get it yet !
Dennis thought he just found a dime on the street, He was stealing he thought. It backfired and he made a bad game, and he didn't pay. WOW!! I can't believe you think this veteran player didn't know what he was doing. He made a bad game, he was hustling a game and it backfired. Now he cries and doesn't pay. Boo F NG HOO !!!
Poor Dennis, WTF ? GET A CLUE !! Gary Lutman
Dennis thought he just found a dime on the street, He was stealing he thought. It backfired and he made a bad game, and he didn't pay. WOW!! I can't believe you think this veteran player didn't know what he was doing. He made a bad game, he was hustling a game and it backfired. Now he cries and doesn't pay. Boo F NG HOO !!!
Poor Dennis, WTF ? GET A CLUE !! Gary Lutman
Ok you ask is there a difference between matching up and straight hustling, i cant really answer your question CREEDO, cause i dont know exacty what you mean by straight hustling.
Now if you mean by lying to your opponent while matching up, as in telling your opponent you play this player with the 7 ball when really you beat him with the last 2, then sure there is a difference.
But you know just like i know and everyone else here knows, when ever you are trying to match up with a pool player (not all of them, but most) they havent been playing, they lost to this guy and so on.
NO matter what anyone says, you or i or anyone else should never quit in the middle of a session, just because you dont think its fair anymore!
If there is an emergency, then that changes everything, just hope you are playing a gentlemen, cause i was there more then once, when a players wife called and said it was time for him to leave, for what ever reason and more then once that player left without getting his money back or any kind of settlement (like finish later).
Rules are rules for a reason!
You are talking about balls and spots because that is exactly what matching up is about. It is all about both side trying to make an agreement that each side thinks is more favorable to their side. The whole idea of playing pool for money is to TAKE the other side's money.
When you agree to it you do it because you THINK you will be able to do it easily because you THINK you have made a game that favors you.
When someone says they are stealing it is figurative and not literal. As the saying goes you cannot con an honest man. If a player believes that their opponent is weak and makes a game based on that then they are getting in that game to win the weaker player's money.
So there is literally no victim when people agree to play pool for money. There is hustling but no crime, naivete but no innocence.
So yes, if you find yourself in a bad game the play it out and learn the lesson or try to buy your way out for less. That is the only honorable way to handle being in trap.
Anyone who matches up based on one of the player's claims is a fool. If a player starts in with well Billy gave me the seven and you beat Ted who beat Billy with the 8 I tell him to go somewhere else with that nonsense.
Or the old I haven't played in months bs. When people are matching up they are either trying to get an edge or trying to outgun the other guy. Anytime a handicap is involved it is both players looking for an edge. No handicap is mostly ego on at least one side of it.
When money is in play the only rule is that when you start the game you finish it regardless or forfeit your stake.
That's what gambling is all about ON THE POOL TABLE.
Now to me the only exception is when there is cheating happening. When a player is jarred, when balls are moved, the table is tricked up, that sort of thing. I feel it's OK to pull up and quit if you find that stuff happening. If it's simply that the other guy is way better than you thought take the loss and move on.
Or the old I haven't played in months bs. When people are matching up they are either trying to get an edge or trying to outgun the other guy. Anytime a handicap is involved it is both players looking for an edge. No handicap is mostly ego on at least one side of it.
When money is in play the only rule is that when you start the game you finish it regardless or forfeit your stake.
That's what gambling is all about ON THE POOL TABLE.
Now to me the only exception is when there is cheating happening. When a player is jarred, when balls are moved, the table is tricked up, that sort of thing. I feel it's OK to pull up and quit if you find that stuff happening. If it's simply that the other guy is way better than you thought take the loss and move on.
So you play it out and hope he gets a bad lie in half the remaining games. If not then you adjust the weight going into the next set, after telling your backers."I have him right where I want him".
Is this not feasible, Mr. Logical?
Yes he should suck it up, he may even want to start negotiating it at the point where the mismatch in current set is at its worst.
As Rob stated he would have considered letting him out for a percentage at the point where DO went off. I have seen it happen in those lopsided game.
Many ways to deal with it other than crying that you're being robbed.
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......and never wise up a sucker......
This is the way it is! great post JB!
bankoutallday
Banned
Not a dilemma to me. I lounge forward from my chair, raise my hand to reach for the money kept on the lights, grab the money, break my cue and put it in the case. Collect the balls ,take them to the counter and pay the table time. Then say ,Ta,Ta to everybody and leave the joint.
Not doing that was the only thing Rob did wrong in my eyes. I watched the Action Room video and he gave Orcullo too much respect. If he was just another player he never would have let him out of the set.
good point, there is difference between a "Problem Gambler" and a guy who has a "Problem with gambling" LOL, this move kinda differentiates the 2 "problems". Im not sure which one is worse? but i o know who i'd play and wouldnt play....
i agree with the rest of the posts,i have seen players find out they were in over their heads and buy their way out of the set for something cheaper
bankoutallday
Banned
Just be a man Orcullo
Lose, throw a fit, break your cue and PAY OFF your debts. Is it really that hard?
If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Lose, throw a fit, break your cue and PAY OFF your debts. Is it really that hard?
If it was easy, everyone would do it.
The thing that is so dumb about Dennis doing this is that if you play his speed, you know that you can give anyone you don't know the last 5 or 6..... 95% of the time you can and are stealing $, 5% of the time you'll lose.
Take the good with the bad Dennis, you nit......
Take the good with the bad Dennis, you nit......