Quick Release - Poll
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If it's a well made joint, so that solid contact is made between a reasonably large surface of the butt and the face of the shaft, I'd highly doubt how far the threads go up the pin would make any detectable difference in hit.
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The true test of various joints is to get several cues with different joints, place masking tape over the joints (to hide them), then get several players to try them out and say what type joint each cue has.
I would imagine no one would be be able to tell the difference. As a matter of fact, I recall reading that a similar test was done somewhere....
I would imagine no one would be be able to tell the difference. As a matter of fact, I recall reading that a similar test was done somewhere....
Not that I have a lot of experience of having a cue in which I have one being a QR and the other not. But I have a breaking cue witha QR and do not notice a difference.BPG24 said:
You'll NEVER see a Varney cue with a Unilock joint.
Short version:
On a break cue, uni-lock will work.
On a player, uni-lock - no way.
Long Version:
My Predator BK2 has a quick release joint and it seems to work just fine as long as I remember to give it a twist occasionally (it has worked itself loose).
That being said, my player is a Olney and anyone ever screwed one of his cues together will attest, that has to be one of the snuggest joints on the planet. I can't believe that a cue with a uni-lock will ever approach the feel that Jeff Olney, and I am sure other cue makers achieve with their respective cue joints.
It would seem to me that there is to much at stake here to sacrifice the quality of the hit simply for the expediency of putting your cue together quickly.
On a break cue, uni-lock will work.
On a player, uni-lock - no way.
Long Version:
My Predator BK2 has a quick release joint and it seems to work just fine as long as I remember to give it a twist occasionally (it has worked itself loose).
That being said, my player is a Olney and anyone ever screwed one of his cues together will attest, that has to be one of the snuggest joints on the planet. I can't believe that a cue with a uni-lock will ever approach the feel that Jeff Olney, and I am sure other cue makers achieve with their respective cue joints.
It would seem to me that there is to much at stake here to sacrifice the quality of the hit simply for the expediency of putting your cue together quickly.
BPG24
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Varney Cues said:You'll NEVER see a Varney cue with a Unilock joint.
You just gained more respect from me...
I hear alot of people say that the joint doesn't affect the hit...
Including Dan Janes, it is on the Joss website..
I personally think that they play terrible compared to many of the other options...
Err, radial pins are UniLoc's.Varney Cues said:You'll NEVER see a Varney cue with a Unilock joint.
http://www.cuestik.com/store/product.asp?DEPARTMENT_ID=96&ITEM_ID=5769
No K btw.
JoeyInCali said:Err, radial pins are UniLoc's.
http://www.cuestik.com/store/product.asp?DEPARTMENT_ID=96&ITEM_ID=5769
No K btw.
True...and the radial pin is great. No one turn uni's for me.
i could be wrong here, but i dont thing the type of pin has as much to do with the hit as the type of collar used. obviously, when considering like pins, a fat pin like radial or 3/8X10 is going to have a slight differance, but when comparing a uniloc qr to say 5/16X18 or 5/16X14, i dont think it makes much of a differance. the differance would be as to wether the sleeve is s/s or lenin or plastic or whatever and then piloted or flat faced beyond that.
My PFD Titleist (1 of 6) came with 2 Matching Predators and a Solid Ivory Uni-loc Joint ... I really can't tell the difference between the Uni-loc and wood to wood joint as to sound, feel, or hit (all three are subjective anyway) ...
I had a buddy at a pool hall with the quick release joint, and it got stuck. He couldn't unscrew it....not exactly "quick release" when you are breaking a sweat to unscrew it.
I went cue shopping later, and I was testing out some of the quick release jointed cues, and a lot of them stuck pretty bad.
I'll stick with my radial pins and 3/8" threads.
I went cue shopping later, and I was testing out some of the quick release jointed cues, and a lot of them stuck pretty bad.
I'll stick with my radial pins and 3/8" threads.
doesn't matter once its together its all the same cup of tea
I think it would be the quality of the stainlees steel used in any uniloc-speed lock- and the tolerances. Didn't uniloc patent 3 turns.and the g-10 radial come from them as well. I know many cue repair guys who are two chaep to by the unilock kits for installation-200 for 3. And those cheap aluminum uniloc's. George B and Joss west,danny janes joss east- many stainless quite lively cues. Its the same as if the cuemaker uses 3 pieces is it a solid as a 1 piece? Hell yes it is if done correctly! Doesn't pred research bear this out. mark
I think it would be the quality of the stainlees steel used in any uniloc-speed lock- and the tolerances. Didn't uniloc patent 3 turns.and the g-10 radial come from them as well. I know many cue repair guys who are two chaep to by the unilock kits for installation-200 for 3. And those cheap aluminum uniloc's. George B and Joss west,danny janes joss east- many stainless quite lively cues. Its the same as if the cuemaker uses 3 pieces is it a solid as a 1 piece? Hell yes it is if done correctly! Doesn't pred research bear this out. mark
Uniloc QR is one and a half turns.HollyWood said:
Radial came from Bill Stroud and sold to Uniloc as far as I know.
Radial Pin
About the QR, I've seen shafts that bottom out in the insert before the faces make contact. Early Euro-West Cue that came to Hawaii would always come loose. If the threads don't bottom out before the faces make 100% contact, and can hold the "torque" through all the vibration, I would think the difference would be unoticable. But then, who am I to say, I don't cheat the pockets 'cause I need the whole pocket to make the balls!!
I seen Radial on a Bill Stroud cue for the first time in Hawaii back in '95. Use to make Radial caps for Steve Morris of MidWest Custom Cues (Minnesota), this was before or around '95.. Good trivia Joey...JoeyInCali said:
About the QR, I've seen shafts that bottom out in the insert before the faces make contact. Early Euro-West Cue that came to Hawaii would always come loose. If the threads don't bottom out before the faces make 100% contact, and can hold the "torque" through all the vibration, I would think the difference would be unoticable. But then, who am I to say, I don't cheat the pockets 'cause I need the whole pocket to make the balls!!
