Quitting while your ahead.

[cuesmith]

Depends on how much the casino is losing. Im pretty sure they got the odds in their favor too which could be considered "nitty" imo.

And don't think they won't quit you in Vegas! Ask Danny DiLiberto! He was stiffed by a casino in Vegas for $6500 on a bet at the casino's sports book on the Dogs. Danny had studdied the dogs for an entire season and made a pretty good score one day, the next day they took his bet, but when he won they said they thought he was cheating somehow and refused to pay. to this day he's never collected! And God Forbid if they think you're able to count cards! As long as you're losing in Vegas you're fine. If you figure out a way to beat the Casino at it's own game you'll either end up barred, behind bars or lost in the desert.

 

[genomachino]

I'm on the front page of the griffen book

and don't think they won't quit you in vegas! Ask danny diliberto! He was stiffed by a casino in vegas for $6500 on a bet at the casino's sports book on the dogs. Danny had studdied the dogs for an entire season and made a pretty good score one day, the next day they took his bet, but when he won they said they thought he was cheating somehow and refused to pay. To this day he's never collected! And god forbid if they think you're able to count cards! As long as you're losing in vegas you're fine. If you figure out a way to beat the casino at it's own game you'll either end up barred, behind bars or lost in the desert.

i last about 10 minutes trying to play blackjack in vegas. We only gottem for about 20,000. There was 4 of us that worked together. Kind of a small team.

Once your in the griffen book your toast................

 

[smoooothstroke]

simple

You can quit anytime unless there is an agreement otherwise.If some likes to quit ahead they are bad action and should have a tough time getting a game.If you are really matching up then it is your job to beat the guy,that means bust him or make him quit because he cannot beat you.This is the Gentlemen way of playing.

Then there is the buddy gambling system.With the "friends having fun" system peeps will say they have to go at such and such time.Often what happens is the front runner will wait and see how the game is going before declaring that he has to go soon and can only play 1 or 2 more.This is usually just a way to sucker a guy so you can beat him repeatedly.

One problem I see is that a guy who should be labeled "bad action" can still get a game.Recently a fella air-barreled another player and gave him a stolen cue as payment,this guy still matches up on a regular basis in the same room.There are some people who I just will not play this guy is one of them.

 

[DogLoop]

In the Past ...

Everyone seems to mention times gone past. I remember pool gambling from quite a while back. I also remember players and backers running with a few rules no one mentioned yet:

Anyone remember the term "freeze-out", or "freeze-up"?

I always remember players/backers waiting to flip the coin until terms were set, such as "500 a set, freeze out 1500" meaning until 1500 had been played for, no one could quit, winner or loser.
I also remember lots of "ahead sets" but these are time consuming if the match is close.
These issues have been around awhile, I think they are dealt with differently.

Just my pair o' pennies

 

[masonh]

I grew up with the loser deciding when the game is over. Otherwise you were bad action.

Now with a job and responsibilitys, I ALWAYS tell my opponent when we start how long I can play.

1. If you can't play for an indefinate period of time, ALWAYS disclose how many sets or how much time you have.
2. If you didn't follow number 1 and quit winner, its nitty.

Ian

well said by a true gentleman gambler.i was kind of getting overwhelmed by the posts that say quit whenever you want.

i agree that sometimes you might have to quit but give the guy some notice or an up front time.or i have even told the guy to pay me next time we play if i thought there was going to be a problem with me having to go too early.

i also am aware that there are many different types of players and gamblers,but if you are betting $100 a game or $500-1000+ sets then you better have some sort of set time established up front or you may have trouble getting paid or getting out of the pool hall in Nashville.if you have a tendancy to get 3-4 sets ahead and want to go home as soon as your opponent wins a set then you might want to play cheap pool.

 

[ironman]

I beat him for 3 plus hours then I started to get fatigued it was 1:15am and I had already told him we could pick it up again another day. Out of respect and against my better judgment I agreed to continue. I respect this player and I realy wanted to see how I faired againstt him. The whole time I was the favorite. He didnt out play me he just had more gamble left then me. I learned a great lesson and proved something to myself.

A. Im good under pressure, since most of the matches went hill hill.

B. Im a nit for allowing the money and the respect to be weighed equally.

Thanks for the input guys. I feel like I have learned a valuable lesson. I understand that back in the day the winner never quits. Back then though most gamblers werent tournament players and vice versa. Or atleast thats how FATS puts it in his book. The Bank Shot and Other Great Robberies.

Thanks guys

IRONMAN- whats so funny. Im not sure if your laughing cause I wanted to quit or becouse its funny to see me winning and gambling. LOL:wink: Hey we need to meet up so I can get you that cash!!! I feel horribal, come out to 6 pocket one day.

hey Alex, sorry i wasn't laughing at you at all and really didn't realize it was you.

What I was laughing at was as it has since been pointed out, is truely how things have changed over the years. in the old days if you were called a nit, you did everything yo could to change that image. It was the worst thing you could be called in the pool scene.

And no, I am not by any means calling you a nit either!! hope to see you soon Alex!!

 

[Jayson]

Bet high and play ahead sets. Take the luck out of it and find out who the best player is. Anyone close in playing ability can win a race on any given day, in my opinion the best player is gonna win an ahead set. If u beat someone 10 ahead in a couple hours they might not want that again.

 

[backplaying]

Times and players have sure changed.In all the years i played pool i never once quit anyone winner. Just two weeks ago i needed to practice on a diamond barbox and ended up giving the man who runs the pool room the last two playing 7 ahead for 200.00,good practice.I'm 54,out of shape,he's in his early 30's.It was only the second time i had played on a diamond barbox also. Well one set lasted 7hrs.Long story short we played 36hrs,no breaks except bathroom. I was dead on my feet,but i could never make myself quit someone winner,but was sure glad when he quit. I guess it is just the oldschool way that i will always stick to. During the time i played, you were considered bad action if you quit winner,a one sheller or was such a a&& that it wasn't worth the trouble. Back then you basicly played until the looser quit which usually meant busted. It was called heart back then. I have played many times 30 to 40hrs and once played three days. I found out later that the guy who i played for 36hrs wanted to play because he heard i would never quit winner and he likes to play for days. I think playing races now has alot to do with it.I have seen 21 yr olds say they were tired after three hrs,but people have the right to do what they think is right.

 

[ironman]

Times and players have sure changed.In all the years i played pool i never once quit anyone winner. Just two weeks ago i needed to practice on a diamond barbox and ended up giving the man who runs the pool room the last two playing 7 ahead for 200.00,good practice.I'm 54,out of shape,he's in his early 30's.It was only the second time i had played on a diamond barbox also. Well one set lasted 7hrs.Long story short we played 36hrs,no breaks except bathroom. I was dead on my feet,but i could never make myself quit someone winner,but was sure glad when he quit. I guess it is just the oldschool way that i will always stick to. During the time i played, you were considered bad action if you quit winner,a one sheller or was such a a&& that it wasn't worth the trouble. Back then you basicly played until the looser quit which usually meant busted. It was called heart back then. I have played many times 30 to 40hrs and once played three days. I found out later that the guy who i played for 36hrs wanted to play because he heard i would never quit winner and he likes to play for days. I think playing races now has alot to do with it.I have seen 21 yr olds say they were tired after three hrs,but people have the right to do what they think is right.

Ain't it the truth? A couple of year ago I was playing this guy here who is a fitness trainer and built like Hercules. Plays sporty too. Well, we played for 6 hours and he ends up 2 games ahead, I didn't play very well and and wanted to play the next day.

I asked him to play and he says, " Ok I'll play but i am not playing another marothon?! i couldn't believe and fitness trainer 25 years my junior would make such a remark!

 

[uwate]

I played this one guy here in South Florida 100/gm 1p and he beats me 6 in a row. I win one and he cracks his cue and quits. The guy was getting staked and he said he needed the 200 that was going to be his end of the 500 he was up. I was hot like kettle boiling over but now about 2 years later I dont hold it against the guy. At the time he was going through some rough times and 200 to him was pretty critical. Nonetheless, we haven't ever played again and if we do I plan to play ahead sets or play til one person wins the post money.


It might be because there isnt as much action in the pool rooms nowadays that more people play really tight. Poker seems to have drained the pool rooms of alot of gamble and imo it has also contributed to the attitude that quitting winner is "good money management" than "bad action" as it would have been seen as 25 years ago. After all quitting winner in poker is much more acceptable than it ever was in pool. The old school players seem to fall more on the side of playing til the loser wants no more.

 

[pt109]

Jack it or i'm out of here

I grew up with the loser deciding when the game is over. Otherwise you were bad action.

Now with a job and responsibilitys, I ALWAYS tell my opponent when we start how long I can play.

1. If you can't play for an indefinate period of time, ALWAYS disclose how many sets or how much time you have.
2. If you didn't follow number 1 and quit winner, its nitty.

Ian

Yeah,that's how i was raised.
But there's an exception that hasn't been mentioned in this thread.
Sometimes the price gets old.If you want to bet more and they won't
fade it,you can quit a winner honorably.
I used to gamble mostly by the game but if i wanted out i would offer
to play 1 game or 1 set for what they were stuck.

I quit the game for 7 years and when i came back i had mellowed.
I declared around my area that they could treat me like a casino.
They could quit anytime and nothing would be said.
I got more action and had more fun 'cause many players don't want
a life-long contract when they make a game.
I still personally adhered to the old rules of gambling but didn't ask
anybody else to.
A player who's willing to take the worst of it gets more satisfaction.

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

Quitting while your ahead

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that it is much different today than it was 25-30 years ago.

If I dedcide to get into another gamble I am going to do one of two things:

Play a long race - say to 25 - and bet the total amount my opponent is willing to lose. This way I'm even on the money I'm willing to lose. This will prevent people taking a one set flyer at you (when you would probably lose 3 or 4 sets).

Play 10 games ahead sets - This would be so much per game and locking up 10 times the amount per game. Again I would make sure that my opponent would lose as much as I'm willing to lose. You could put a time limit (say 10 hours) and either party could walk regardless of the score after 10 hours.

Either way I would have the money on the light and once the match was done that would be it for the night (both parties would agree to this also). This would prevent people taking flyers at you or quitting ahead.

 

[Island Drive]

Before you start the match tell em, win/lose your gonna quit in X amt of hours, communication..................goes a long way in making life easier.

 

[ShootingArts]

memories

I was there myself in the late sixties, seventies, and eighties. I remember a few folks I called cowboys that would play until they were busted. Most folks would quit when they found they were in a bad game or the dollars started getting painful. Every person I ever met that actually made a living gambling quit at the first reasonable opportunity if they found themselves in a game where they didn't feel like they had an edge. A ton of difference between being a professional "gambler" and a recreational gambler. We all try to take all of the gamble out of it that we can but the professionals know how to manage their money to minimize risk.

I remember a handful of the cowboys fondly. Tons of heart, not much brains. Some hunted me down for months, one for over a year. They are a gambler's best customers.

Hu

 

[stljohnny]

I have seen 21 yr olds say they were tired after three hrs,but people have the right to do what they think is right.

I almost never gamble, just because there's hardly anyone around when I'm around (to be fair, I don't hang out in the really strong pool halls either since I don't consider myself that good), but I will say that two weeks ago this kid asked if I wanted to play some cheap races. He wanted to play 8-ball, I wanted to play 9-ball. He said he didn't want to play 9 or 10-ball because I had my break stick and he didn't, and it was an unfair advantage. (I offered to use a house-cue, but he ignored it) We ended up playing one-pocket, race to 3. Now, 1-p is probably my weakest game since I can still count the number of times I've actually played it. (I've watched it a lot and talked with people about it a lot, but I just don't play it often)

He, of course, won the first set, and was all eager to go a second time. Well, this isn't my first time around the block and was able to get my head in the game and pulled out the last 2 racks in my favor to break even.

At that point, he said he'd been playing for almost 3 hours and was tired.

Now, I haven't done any marathon pool sessions, but jesus, I can warm up and shoot drills for 3 hours and not even know it. I generally spend (on the weekends) anywhere between 7 and 10 hours on the table in a single session.

I hope to run into him again some day and we'll play best of 3 sets, races to 7. When it's over... it's over.

 

[Underclocked]

Just make it clear when beginning the session that either player has the right to quit at the end of any set or match... no hard feelings and you'll both live to play another day.

What could be simpler?

I do agree that once you have won a fellow's money, you are under ZERO obligation to allow him to win what is now your money. Once you lose and pay your bet, you have no claim whatsoever to that money or the person that won it. If you think otherwise, you shouldn't be gambling in the first place.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

I played a guy last weekend in Oslo.

We played races to 7 in 9-ball & 10-ball, only for $ 20 a set. I got 1 game on the wire, and I lost 5 sets in a row, never complained. I just wanted the practice, because I hadn't played in a while.

After 5 sets I asked to adjust the handicap if we were gonna keep playing. He whined, but agreed to change it to 2 games. I won 7-2 and and he whined and complained even more, but racked the balls for a new set.

I won the next game, and he smashed the balls around, complaining about giving too much weight etc and then said "I am done with this, this is the last set".

I felt uncomfortable playing him from there on, and he ended up winning the set, but I would have played more. I paid him what was owed, since he said "last set", and first thing he did when he had my money was to ask the guy on the next table "you wanna gamble?". He declined, so he asked another player and ended up playing for 5 hours with this guy instead.

I am just happy that we bet cheap. Cheap lesson learned, never gamble with this guy again.

 

[smoooothstroke]

Just make it clear when beginning the session that either player has the right to quit at the end of any set or match... no hard feelings and you'll both live to play another day.

What could be simpler?

I do agree that once you have won a fellow's money, you are under ZERO obligation to allow him to win what is now your money. Once you lose and pay your bet, you have no claim whatsoever to that money or the person that won it. If you think otherwise, you shouldn't be gambling in the first place.

I agree with this principle.In fact the mental approach I take is that when I make a bet,that money is gone.Likewise if I lose a bet that money is not mine.

There is a code however when gambling at pool and any players rep will follow that player.Who wants to gamble with some1 who has a rep of not giving a fair game or a rep for taking the money and running?

 

[Island Drive]

I played a guy last weekend in Oslo.

We played races to 7 in 9-ball & 10-ball, only for $ 20 a set. I got 1 game on the wire, and I lost 5 sets in a row, never complained. I just wanted the practice, because I hadn't played in a while.

After 5 sets I asked to adjust the handicap if we were gonna keep playing. He whined, but agreed to change it to 2 games. I won 7-2 and and he whined and complained even more, but racked the balls for a new set.

I won the next game, and he smashed the balls around, complaining about giving too much weight etc and then said "I am done with this, this is the last set".

I felt uncomfortable playing him from there on, and he ended up winning the set, but I would have played more. I paid him what was owed, since he said "last set", and first thing he did when he had my money was to ask the guy on the next table "you wanna gamble?". He declined, so he asked another player and ended up playing for 5 hours with this guy instead.

I am just happy that we bet cheap. Cheap lesson learned, never gamble with this guy again.

Good idea, gambling is the same as businees of any type. You either want to do business with this individual or NOT, experience teaches you when you first meet someone if its even worth it in the first place.