quitting winner

[easy-e]

because if all gamblers were smart then they would all be nits and there wouldn't be any suckers. No one would ever gamble.

But honestly it's not like every one is in the mood to lay down a contract when they gamble. It's very often what do you want to do? Race to 7 for a 100? Let's go. That's it. No arrangements no expectations no rules.

We all know how this goes down.

I totally understand what you're saying, but when they say "race to 7 for 100", they DID just lay down a contract.

What I don't understand is these two things:

1) Why would someone want to quit winner unless they had something else more important than gambling to take care of.

2) Why do people think that posting a story like this on the internet is going to solve anything when no names are mentioned?

 

[poolplayer2093]

I totally understand what you're saying, but when they say "race to 7 for 100", they DID just lay down a contract.

What I don't understand is these two things:

1) Why would someone want to quit winner unless they had something else more important than gambling to take care of.

2) Why do people think that posting a story like this on the internet is going to solve anything when no names are mentioned?

maybe they thought it was too much work. too tough a game and they didn't want to try it again

maybe they realized they got a few rolls and were lucky to come out the winner

 

[easy-e]

maybe they thought it was too much work. too tough a game and they didn't want to try it again

maybe they realized they got a few rolls and were lucky to come out the winner

Good points! If I won a set and thought I was lucky to do so, I'd be done. After all, I fulfilled my end of the contract: Race to 7 for 100.

Anybody who goes back and reads one of the other 3,450 threads about quitting winner will see that I am in the camp that says "make the arrangements ahead of time, or be prepared to be quit on".

 

[Johnnyt]

If I was going head to head with someone I knew was about my speed I'd set a time limit for both to quit. Say 2 or 3 hours. We would also freeze-up a large enough amount that should carry us to the end of the time limit. Of course if one of us was ON that day and getting good rolls to boot, the other could go broke early. Say if we were playing $10 a game I would ask to freeze up a few hundred. If we were playing sets, like races to 5 for $50 a set I'd ask to freeze up about the same.

Now if I had no clue what speed the guy was I was playing I'd say I have about an hour:grin: . Johnnyt

 

[poolplayer2093]

If I was going head to head with someone I knew was about my speed I'd set a time limit for both to quit. Say 2 or 3 hours. We would also freeze-up a large enough amount that should carry us to the end of the time limit. Of course if one of us was ON that day and getting good rolls to boot, the other could go broke early. Say if we were playing $10 a game I would ask to freeze up a few hundred. If we were playing sets, like races to 5 for $50 a set I'd ask to freeze up about the same.

Now if I had no clue what speed the guy was I was playing I'd say I have about an hour:grin: . Johnnyt

that sounds like something that requires time to plan. i always thought these threads were about pick up games

 

[Johnnyt]

that sounds like something that requires time to plan. i always thought these threads were about pick up games

Well that's how I try to do it. It's well worth the time to set up the game before hand than to get quit on after you lose 1 $50 set. I'm not saying what I ask is written in stone, but something along those lines that both players can live with. If he won't commit to anything he probably will quit winner early if the game goes that way. Johnnyt

 

[dirtybobjr]

There are three kinds of gamblers: There are the brave or foolish ones that make bad games much more often than not. These are the guys that put most of the gambling money into the pool, we wouldn't have nearly as much floating around to win without them. Then we have the fine gentlemen that are a pleasure to gamble with. They want to match up even or very close to it where the winner is very much in question when they play. Then there are the successful gamblers that make a living gambling. They don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of them, they gamble to win. If it is to their advantage to continue they will. If continuing involves more risk than they are comfortable with they quit. These people are always available for action if someone is willing to make a game that they think they can win and they can always find people to play them because they do pay if you can beat them.

We may not like or respect the people in the last category but they are never-the-less the only people likely to make any significant amount of money gambling long term. Other gamblers betting large or small rarely have anything substantial to show for it at the end of a year even if they have been in heavy action all year.

I prefer to tell people upfront if I only have one or two barrels to fire, I also prefer to tell people if I know when I have to leave. However, nobody is under contract and anyone has the right to quit whenever they please. If you quit while a bet is on the light you just forfeited it unless there is a genuine emergency or situation that makes it unreasonable to continue.

Knowing when to quit is a major part of being a smart gambler. Sometimes only the player knows when he is fading for one reason or another even if he is winning on the table. Also, if I suspect that the other player is on the stall donating a bet or two to suck me in I will cheerfully take all he wants to give and quit him cold when he tries to get it back if I am in the mood just because I think it is a fun thing to do to wannabe hustlers.

Simple rules of gambling: Don't bet what you can't afford to lose. Don't whine if someone else wins your money. Don't whine when someone else quits a bad game. Smart gamblers will quit you when it is to their best advantage to quit you. That is what makes them smart gamblers.

Hu

I agree with mosst of what you say........ especially the "whining" part. That's why they call it gambling! As Buddy says....... If you don't quit winner, you're a loser... or something to that afect.

But that being said...... unless I have informed my oppponent beforehand, I'll play at least 2 sets..... the exception being some stranger that I'm playing for the first time. If he's not smart enough to "slow play" me to keep me in, and strings a bunch of racks together, I'll just shake his hand and drag up. I won't even ask for a spot.......... but if he offers a ridiculous one, I might give it a shot! LOL

If you're playing for a large amount....... you either freeze up 2 or 3 sets, or take your chances. Just as in poker, etc. you have the option to quit at any time once the money agreed on is won or lost. If you lose setting up a "mark"..... you might get burnt sometimes.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

LOL.
These kinds of threads are funny.
People mad about everything.
Just make sure that everything is noted from the beginning so that nothing comes as a surprise, THAT way you can complain all you want if the contract is broken.

BUT...

There is no law that states that you have to play someone for 5 days till the someone has a heart attack and the winner is the lasts guy standing.
Completely absurd.

Then you have the people who are angry at the guy who quit who state that he's not going to get any more action, but to be perfectly honest, i don't see things that way.
People are still going to put their money up to take a shot, and if they have an idea that this guy quits early, they might just quit early themselves to retaliate, but that's not going to stop them from playing.

The guys that get the reputation for quitting even after 2 sets (after losing the first) Or quitting after winning the first set, are STILL going to get played after everything is said and done.
They might not have lines going around the block with people wanting to play them, but they are going to have a bunch of people who could care less, and are perfectly willing to risk just 1 or 2 sets.

I mean, people ARE playing for money.
They aren't playing for pride, they aren't playing for fun, they are playing for cash.
What gives anyone the right to tell someone else how they can or can't do things? Sure you can label them, but so what? Is that really gonna stop someone from playing them if they think they have the best of it?

You put up the money and you win or lose.
If you don't like someone quitting winner on you, MAKE A BETTER GAME!

If you go and beat someone for 1k, and quit, and they are bi.tching and complaining, and cursing you out and calling you a nit.
SO WHAT?!
I've had matches where i was quit on and matches where i did the quitting.

I've had situations where i played someone and the ENTIRE time that the match was going on, they were constantly trying all sorts of moves to shark me, and when i finally won, I took the money and broke my cue down and LAUGHED IN THEIR FACE.

All the insults in the world didn't change the fact that i went out to eat that night in STYLE, and when they brought me the check, i had a big smile on my face.

You take the good with the bad.
Take your loses with your chin up and stop b.i.tching about it.

If you didn't gamble in the first place, you would NEVER have this situation happen anyway, so blame your lifestyle if anything.

Ethics and gambling. HA!
Cut me a friggin break.

You have too many people that get all bent cause they didn't expect to lose a set, and are bitter that they did, and then throw out that quit winner garbage as some sort of last ditch effort trump card to get the guy to keep playing, or to slander someone who might have won an agreed upon 1 set.

EVERYONE has their own rules, and you can't be pissed off if their rules don't match up with yours.

 

[JB Cases]

I totally understand what you're saying, but when they say "race to 7 for 100", they DID just lay down a contract.

Yes, for one set. I think it's understood that when you agree to play without any time limit or stipulations then you are in for for many sets. But obviously morons and nits who quit one set winner don't understand that.

What I don't understand is these two things:

1) Why would someone want to quit winner unless they had something else more important than gambling to take care of.

2) Why do people think that posting a story like this on the internet is going to solve anything when no names are mentioned?

1. Because they are a nit who is afraid they can't win or they are one of those dumbasses who thinks that they are teaching someone a lesson by winning a set and quitting.

2. Because they want to talk about it and generate speculation. Drama gets readers.

 

[alstl]

Another guy who didn't establish the ground rules up front. You would think after the first time he would have learned. Maybe he should look at getting into something other than gambling at pool.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Is every match supposed to end even so nobody's a nit?

Don't play until you've agreed to a match that you think is long enough to be a fair test. You can't expect your opponent to read your mind.

If you played the set that was agreed to and then whine about losing your money, then you're the nit.

pj
chgo

 

[ShootingArts]

I normally do warn someone if I am quitting

Depending on how we are playing, I do generally warn someone a bet or few bets before I quit. I'll adjust the bet somewhat but not the game. Exceptions to every rule though and this is true mostly for gentlemen or people who haven't defined themselves to me yet.

The real gamblers are rarely playing just the game on the table. Keeping within my personal ethics of meeting everyone halfway or a bit more, I'll outmaneuver them if I can. They will scream bloody murder and talk trash about me if they come out short but this is all trying to sucker me in or because they are annoyed about being outmoved.

I like playing with gentlemen and have always had a soft spot for the no-hopers trying to give them a game without scuffing them up too bad. The full time gamblers are a different story. Once I understood them, it is a wolf playing a wolf and the devil take the hindmost. Definitely a time when it is do unto others, . . . first!

Most of the people in this thread think they are playing a gentleman's game. That is fine as long as you are playing a gentleman.

Hu

I agree with mosst of what you say........ especially the "whining" part. That's why they call it gambling! As Buddy says....... If you don't quit winner, you're a loser... or something to that afect.

But that being said...... unless I have informed my oppponent beforehand, I'll play at least 2 sets..... the exception being some stranger that I'm playing for the first time. If he's not smart enough to "slow play" me to keep me in, and strings a bunch of racks together, I'll just shake his hand and drag up. I won't even ask for a spot.......... but if he offers a ridiculous one, I might give it a shot! LOL

If you're playing for a large amount....... you either freeze up 2 or 3 sets, or take your chances. Just as in poker, etc. you have the option to quit at any time once the money agreed on is won or lost. If you lose setting up a "mark"..... you might get burnt sometimes.

 

[Voodoo Daddy]

Both the player who lost and the stakehorses behind this player wanted another set. 15-8? cmon thats nitty to quit winner after winning in that manner.

Did you have stake in the "young player"? :grin:

 

[androd]

Quiting

Have you ever quit loser ? of course you have. You were a great guy.
"ANYONE CAN QUIT AT ANY TIME" winner or loser, as a previous poster said if they quit winner they're probably doing you a favor. When I start to play, I say quit anytime you want, because when I get tired I'm going to quit. One young man said after 4 hours, you can't quit, your winner. I told him I don't know what your plan was when we started, but mine was to quit winner.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I'm gonna have to get a t-shirt that says "i'm a nit that quits winner but i have been known to go off BIG TIME, gamble at your own risk."

Save all that horsecrap that starts when the guy says you can't quit..."you have to give me a chance to win my money back."

Um, if i am collecting after every game, and the money is in my pocket, IT'S MY MONEY and i can do whatever the hell i want with it.

 

[androd]

I'm gonna have to get a t-shirt that says "i'm a nit that quits winner but i have been known to go off BIG TIME, gamble at your own risk."

Save all that horsecrap that starts when the guy says you can't quit..."you have to give me a chance to win my money back."

Um, if i am collecting after every game, and the money is in my pocket, IT'S MY MONEY and i can do whatever the hell i want with it.

TAP TAP
Amen to that.
Rep to you.

 

[ShootingArts]

excellent point

Have you ever quit loser ? of course you have. You were a great guy.
"ANYONE CAN QUIT AT ANY TIME" winner or loser, as a previous poster said if they quit winner they're probably doing you a favor. When I start to play, I say quit anytime you want, because when I get tired I'm going to quit. One young man said after 4 hours, you can't quit, your winner. I told him I don't know what your plan was when we started, but mine was to quit winner.

Out of ammo or I would have sent rep. You have an excellent point. Unless someone is deliberately paying for lessons taking on a much better player without any real chance of winning, how many of us ever plan to quit loser?

Hu

 

[ronhudson]

I heard the other day that people are all pissed off at a local player because he quit while ahead. Then I also heard that the guy who was playing the local player is the better player and he was laying off to let the local player get up some steam before he renegotiated the bet and turned on the speed. Just as he was getting ready to put the mash on him, the local player quit. Damn! Maybe the local player should be congratulated for being psychic.

Maybe there's another side to some of the other stories too.

 

[HDR10]

Thanks for the chuckle!!!!

really,Thanks goes to everyone that replied to this thread!!some were spot on and some were way out there!!

anyone actually know the meaning of a ''nit''???doesnt have anything to do with someone that quits winners or losers!!!If you cant quit winners then no one can ever win!!same goes for quitting losers!!

anyone stop to think maybe just maybe his big fish walked in

 

[Gregg]

Fast Eddie to Fats "You can't walk out on me now."

Fats flatly responds "Watch me."

People should have learned right there.