Rasson Table/Mosconi Cup

I saw it live yesterday (on the stream), and recall the only other time having seen it is when there was a camera in the pocket and the balls were bouncing off of it. It used to happen a lot (relatively speaking) on old MR events from the 2000's. There is a famous case of it happening twice in a row by 2 players on the same table, and when the first came back to shoot the same ball a THIRD time, he slow rolled it. I'm sure someone remembers and can link. In that case though it was the camera's fault. This one is the table design.

I've also never seen it on a GC in actual play. I do drills on my home table to the same pocket, and it really takes a full pocket for a ball to pop out.
 
Steel-frames sound great, ON PAPER. I've had more than one mech. say that getting them square/true can be a major pia compared to a GC or a Diamond. The old SAM(maker of the 9ft Predator) tables COULD play great but getting one there was not easy.
 
vjmehra said:
I have no idea what you mean?
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Your Quote....
''Matchroom's perspective, random stuff like that simply adds to the drama!''



I don't believe your statement without Proof that they said what you quoted is all.
Feels like a random comment.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong is all.
If you don't respond, I understand.

bm
 
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Nick B said:
I've seem it on GC. Not often though.
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In previous discussions.... I was once playing Tony Annigoni and when he had to hit a ball hard, he would make sure there were exactly two balls in the pocket. Not one, not three, and certainly not zero. I thought he was crazy. It turns out, like a fox.

In that style of pocket -- GC drop pockets -- with no ball in you get a simple loop-the-loop. With one ball, sitting in the dust hole, if you hit a ball dead center it can land right on that single ball. Two balls mix up the action enough the ball doesn't come out. Three balls and the pocket is marginally too full.

I last saw it on GC3s about 2003.

Rasson needs to fix their broken pocket design.
 
justnum said:
Dont get rid of ball return its great drama.

I suspect its worth having control of a ball return. No one can see how it happens, its pools Miss Universe moment, when then said the wrong name.

Most people will be puzzled for years, if they think about it. Its a good dummy check question.
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Ball return: thrilling for dummies.

Noted.
 
Here is the Kaci Rasoon shot from another angle and in slo motion. You can see the interaction inside the pocket and why it popped out.

 
Bob Jewett said:
In previous discussions.... I was once playing Tony Annigoni and when he had to hit a ball hard, he would make sure there were exactly two balls in the pocket. Not one, not three, and certainly not zero. I thought he was crazy. It turns out, like a fox. ...
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I seem to recall Nick Vlahos moving just one ball into empty pockets before shots.
 
Something similar happened on a diamond at the UK open when Shane played Skyler. In rack 8, Shane rifled a ball into a corner pocket that jumped out but landed back into the same pocket. I don't know if, or how many balls were in the pocket at the time.
 
There was a shot the local fancy shot artist would show us as kids in Philly/Delaware. His name is Russel Parsons, I know a few of you would know him. Lower level pro from the 80's. He would avoid a scratch in the side pocket on cut shots with the ball near it, by jumping the CB into the rim of the pocket, so it swirled around and landed back on the slate. It's been 25 some years now, and I forgot exactly what it looked like. It's not exactly what happened in this thread, but the thread reminded me of it.
 
The 7 ball being caromed off the table was even weirder. Not saying it has anything to do with the table. I think it was just a hard break and rare culmination of forces that led to a freak mid air carom.
 
D.W. yeah it did come to mind, but he hit the cue ball extremely square, like Kaci. So I tend to feel the same as your post.
 
iusedtoberich said:
There was a shot the local fancy shot artist would show us as kids in Philly/Delaware. His name is Russel Parsons, I know a few of you would know him. Lower level pro from the 80's. He would avoid a scratch in the side pocket on cut shots with the ball near it, by jumping the CB into the rim of the pocket, so it swirled around and landed back on the slate. It's been 25 some years now, and I forgot exactly what it looked like. It's not exactly what happened in this thread, but the thread reminded me of it.
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A lot of us learned this shot. It was a way to cut the object ball down the rail and avoid the scratch. It still had to be hit just right, not too hard and not to soft.
 
EDRJR said:
I played on a Medalist in a pool hall that had a loose ball return rail under one side pocket. If you were dead straight in, a hard hit ball would bounce right back out. Astounded two my friends when it came up in a game.
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They didn't have the track for the ball return positioned correctly. They must have had it too high.
 
rharm said:
They didn't have the track for the ball return positioned correctly. They must have had it too high.
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It was loose, I jiggled it. When the object ball hit the back of the pocket, it deflected straight down and was catapulted back out of the pocket. Absolutely amazing to see.
 
iusedtoberich said:
This is the video I was referring to where it happened twice in a row on the same shot. This is a Brunswick Metro. I'm 99% sure the verdict at the time was there was a pocket camera inside and that caused the bounce.

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The gullies did not have a down and in angle
 
jay helfert said:
A lot of us learned this shot. It was a way to cut the object ball down the rail and avoid the scratch. It still had to be hit just right, not too hard and not to soft.
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I saw Steve Oaks, good Indy player, make this shot and they were bettin pretty good. I was blown away as i'd never seen it. He later showed me the shot. Still a crowd pleaser.
 
iusedtoberich said:
This is the video I was referring to where it happened twice in a row on the same shot. This is a Brunswick Metro. I'm 99% sure the verdict at the time was there was a pocket camera inside and that caused the bounce.

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You can see on both of these shots that the 8 never drops out of sight, the ball stayed very high in the pocket.
 
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