Rating One Pocket Players
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wincardona said:
We understand- no sweat at all, though we do like to talk it out...Opinions are like a-holes, you know! Thanks for getting this tread out there!
bomber said:
Wasn't it The Beard that said (compared to 1-h greats), "Buddy couldn't find his hole with an Indian guide"? That is a classic.
I think that he said that about Varner not hall.. I it mightve been Hubart Cokes that said it about him..Black-Balled said:
What's the move.....
Call me cynical. Call me suspicious. Call me whatever but I have to wonder what's the angle making this list and posting this thread.
I mean... Billy Incardona is a hustlin pool playin gamblin wizard with a couple years on the hustle and knows what he's doin... ALL the time.
So what's the angle makeing this thread... I gotta wonder. What's the move here? I can't see where this gets a win for Billy. This thread is bound to piss some people off real good so why does a great gambler like Billy Incardona make a thread like this where it looks like, in makeing this thread, he's booked a sure loser.... a no win situation. Am I missing something? (not knocking anything here... I'm not a gambler and I often find myself missing the angle so I'm just wondering what I'm missing)
Or maybe there is no move... just some thoughts typed on the puter when there's nothing else happening and a thought comes to mind "who's the best..... "
Call me cynical. Call me suspicious. Call me whatever but I have to wonder what's the angle making this list and posting this thread.
I mean... Billy Incardona is a hustlin pool playin gamblin wizard with a couple years on the hustle and knows what he's doin... ALL the time.
So what's the angle makeing this thread... I gotta wonder. What's the move here? I can't see where this gets a win for Billy. This thread is bound to piss some people off real good so why does a great gambler like Billy Incardona make a thread like this where it looks like, in makeing this thread, he's booked a sure loser.... a no win situation. Am I missing something? (not knocking anything here... I'm not a gambler and I often find myself missing the angle so I'm just wondering what I'm missing)
Or maybe there is no move... just some thoughts typed on the puter when there's nothing else happening and a thought comes to mind "who's the best..... "
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JimS said:
I don't think there is any "move" here. I think he's just being a good participant in the forum, and I for one am grateful for that. As it has been said before, there is no "absolute" top 10 list. Billy posted his list based on his opinions....if nothing else it has stirred some interest.
wincardona said:
First, it's great to see you posting here on AZ, Billy. I see your point about the cut off line being 1967 also but Eddie Taylor was still playing jam-up in 67. This is a couple of things he did in 67.
Eddie Taylor is a two-time world all-around tournament champion. He defeated Hall-of-Famer Luther Lassiter in all-around finals in Johnston City, in 1964. He also defeated Danny Jones, and Mike Eufemia at the 1967 Stardust Open finals in Las Vegas. He lost to Lassiter in the 1967 Johnston City all-around finals, and finished 7th in the 1967 World 14.1 championship in New York.
I, personally, couldn't leave the Bear off my list. So many shortstops and some players used to follow Eddie around in a room just listening in hope of picking up a tidbit he might drop. Again, great to have you here, Bill.
Actionhound
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i know im going to get fried for this but i just cant hold my opinion back...
i just cant believe there are this many poeple that are arguing with a champion level pool player about his opinion... this guy is a great player and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet (i was there in Mobile when you took Cliff down a couple weeks ago at Breakers... nice shooting by the way).
i just cant believe there are this many poeple that are arguing with a champion level pool player about his opinion... this guy is a great player and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet (i was there in Mobile when you took Cliff down a couple weeks ago at Breakers... nice shooting by the way).
I'm noticing a glorious absense of international players here. A couple of Filipino players graced the list, but no Chinese or German players on the list. I've heard there are a few good one-hole players in Germany - Hohmann and Engert come to mind. Also, I've heard that Chao plays all disciplines well - 9B, Str8 and One-hole. Was this an intentional "American" list with the exception of two international players?wincardona said:
Actionhound
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Shawn Armstrong said:
HE has already stated that this list is a list of players that he has personally played... he probably just hasnt played any of them... i dont know, but thats what im thinking.
Shawn Armstrong said:
They dont wont no part of anyone on that list.. =)
Yes, because we know the best players in the world are American...................Robertduke said:
wincardona said:
Bill,
Quite the contrary. I think that the fact that a player/ gambler of your quality comes forth with his personal list / rankings causes such a stir because of the assumed credibility you already have here. In other words, most of us here just watch, read or follow these players in the mags or on tapes. You've actually battled them and have first hand knowledge. So I don't think anyone is mad at you, on the contrary, do you know how great it would be if other pros came on here like you, Freddy and Grady have and shared their opinions with the forum? Take it as a compliment when people compare their lists with yours. They also must feel that you're a "down to earth" champion for taking the time to share with us here. That's why you'll find that Grady and Freddy have so much respect here, because they've already "been here-done that" on these forums.
Having you post your thoughts, opinions and views here gives us pool lovers the same thrill as if Michael Jordan posted on AZBasketball.com or if Barry Bonds posted at AZBaseball.com.
Heck, when I posted lists of my who's who, I enjoyed the banter that goes with the answers. Plus, remember, we're somewhat smart here when it comes to pool. Lots of people here follow pool instead of NASCAR or hockey or football. For some of us, it's the ONLY sport we follow.
So when somebody is asking you questions regarding your posts, it means you are much respected and since you're here, we all want to learn.
A million thanks to you, Grady and Freddy for all the things you share with us here. That's why you guys have the fan base you do. Like it or not, you're one of us...
Shawn Armstrong said:Yes, because we know the best players in the world are American...................
No but the majority of Onepocket players are.. =) Wanna Play some..
hemicudas said:
Hemicudes,
You are one of the more knowledgeable posters on AZB. Maybe one day i'll do my top ten posters and include you in that list,and if I do i'll probably get more negative feed back from some other non knowledgeable posters on why I didn't include so and so.But in answer to why I didn't include the GREAT Eddie Taylor,the answer is a simple one. I personally never saw Taylor play when he was in his prime. I have often heard from a lot of the all time great players Corn Bread Red and such ,that he was the best one pocket player ever. And I also heard it often enough from creditable people to believe that it could be true.A very good friend of mine the great Eddie Kelly used to go on the road with Taylor quite often,and has always referred to him as clearly the best bank pool player that ever lived.When he talked about his one pocket game he said that he thought Ronnie Allen was a hair better. I must respect his opinion,considering how great of a player he was ,and how well he knew the players of that era.
wincardona said:
BI,
Just some POSITIVE feedback on your list. It was GREAT to see Eddie Kelly on your list. He is definitely one of the most underrated players ever.
While I am not knowledgeable enough to say; my father and his degenerate pool gambling buddies (who all hung around with Mosconi a fair bit in the late 40's, and knew the players of the 50's and 60's better than the current ones) ALL thought Eddie Kelly was the one of the best, if not THE best, all-around player they had seen (the names of Worst, Lassiter, Taylor, Crane, and Mosconi always came up as well). Of course they always gave inordinate credit to players that successfully took their money.
One of the high points of my years attending DCC was getting Ed Kelly's autograph a couple of years ago. A definite Hall of Famer.
How did your match-ups go with Eddie???