Regarding Dominant Eye

[genomachino]

Not at all......

I think a big source of confusion in threads like these is that people seem to have different meanings for "dominant eye." The generally-accepted definition is described in the links on the "dominant eye" resource page. I personally believe (and have seen lots of supporting evidence) that a person's official "dominant eye" has little to do with the ideal "vision center" head position for that person (unless the person has extreme eye dominance or vision impairment in one eye, in which case the "vision center" position will often be with the dominant or "good" eye directly over the cue).

For many people who have an "dominant eye," the personal "vision center" position can be with the cue centered directly between the eyes. And for some people who have a "dominant eye," the "vision center" position can be with the cue somewhere else between the eyes, under the other eye, or even outside of the eyes (which is rare). The best way to determine an individual's "vision center" position is to ignore all of the "dominant eye" stuff and just do simple drills at the table, per the "vision center" resource page.

Geno, you seem to be implying that a person's "vision center" position should be different for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. Is that true? That's what I thought after watching your DVD, but sometimes you give mixed messages on this topic.

Thanks,
Dave

The dominant eye is always in the most perfect position to envision the shot.

Without this the shots to the right and left cannot be done with equal efficiency.

And again your description of Perfect Aim on your site by Patrick was done by a person that was trying to trash what I was teaching at the time. He didn't understand it either. Players even got on AZ forum that had leaned it and told him he didn't have a clue. He was trying to expose the secret without even knowing what it was.

I sure wish you would take it off because it misleads players into thinking.

That's all it is?

I should hope this isn't what you want. To be misleading.

Please take off that description. The info is totally wrong and not even close to what it really is.

Thanks Gene

 

[FranCrimi]

I can see you understand a lot about how the eyes work.

Glad to see. What you say is usually on the right track.

Good Read....

Thanks Gene. I like your stuff too.

 

[naji]

I think a big source of confusion in threads like these is that people seem to have different meanings for "dominant eye." The generally-accepted definition is described in the links on the "dominant eye" resource page. I personally believe (and have seen lots of supporting evidence) that a person's official "dominant eye" has little to do with the ideal "vision center" head position for that person (unless the person has extreme eye dominance or vision impairment in one eye, in which case the "vision center" position will often be with the dominant or "good" eye directly over the cue).

For many people who have an "dominant eye," the personal "vision center" position can be with the cue centered directly between the eyes. And for some people who have a "dominant eye," the "vision center" position can be with the cue somewhere else between the eyes, under the other eye, or even outside of the eyes (which is rare). The best way to determine an individual's "vision center" position is to ignore all of the "dominant eye" stuff and just do simple drills at the table, per the "vision center" resource page.

Geno, you seem to be implying that a person's "vision center" position should be different for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. Is that true? That's what I thought after watching your DVD, but sometimes you give mixed messages on this topic.

Thanks,
Dave

Dr Dave is there a difference between aiming with the cue tip vs aiming with cue ball, I think dominant eye theory will effect aiming with cue tip but not aiming with cb especially when head is below cue or cue under center of chin.

 

[dr_dave]

Cutting to the right and the left.

One is a dominant eye and the other is non dominant.
...
When we cut to the right it is the right eye and when we cut to the left it is the left eye.

Geno, you seem to be implying that a person's "vision center" position should be different for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. Is that true? That's what I thought after watching your DVD, but sometimes you give mixed messages on this topic.

The dominant eye is always in the most perfect position to envision the shot.

Without this the shots to the right and left cannot be done with equal efficiency.

Geno,

Based on your quotes above, I assume that by "dominant eye" you mean the "right eye" when cutting to the right and the "left eye" when cutting to the left, regardless of which eye might actually be "dominant" or not (based on the standard definition).

And by the "most perfect position," I assume you mean the right eye should be aligned a certain way for shots to the right, and the left eye should be aligned a certain way for shots to the left. If this is true, then depending on eye separation distance, you are in fact recommending that the "vision center" position be different for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. That's what I thought after watching your DVD, but you never seem to be clear on this point on AZB.

Please let me know if my assumptions are wrong, and please correct me if they are.

I don't think the answers to these questions "give away your secrets." They just make it clear to me and others what your believe. I am not trying to discredit your approach. I just want to know what you believe. After watching your DVD and reading hundreds of posts from you, I am still honestly unsure how you think a shot should be sighted differently for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. More specifically, I would like to know if you think the head (and eyes) should be in a different place relative to the cue (assuming a center-ball hit) for shots to the right vs. shots to the left. Here are examples of the kind of answer I am hoping you can provide:

1.) The head and eyes are in the same place relative to the cue for shots to the right vs. shots to the left, but the right eye provides a more dominant view (and guides the aiming more) for shots to the right.

2.) The head and eyes are in a different place for shots to the right vs. shots to the left. For shots to the right, the head is shifted to the right slightly to help provide the right eye a more dominant look at the shot.

If answers "1" and "2" are both wrong, please feel free to provide a corrected version using similar statements. From my understanding of what your DVD presents, I think answer "2" is more correct, but I'm not sure.

Respectfully,
Dave

 

[dr_dave]

I think a big source of confusion in threads like these is that people seem to have different meanings for "dominant eye." The generally-accepted definition is described in the links on the "dominant eye" resource page. I personally believe (and have seen lots of supporting evidence) that a person's official "dominant eye" has little to do with the ideal "vision center" head position for that person (unless the person has extreme eye dominance or vision impairment in one eye, in which case the "vision center" position will often be with the dominant or "good" eye directly over the cue).

For many people who have an "dominant eye," the personal "vision center" position can be with the cue centered directly between the eyes. And for some people who have a "dominant eye," the "vision center" position can be with the cue somewhere else between the eyes, under the other eye, or even outside of the eyes (which is rare). The best way to determine an individual's "vision center" position is to ignore all of the "dominant eye" stuff and just do simple drills at the table, per the "vision center" resource page.

Geno, you seem to be implying that a person's "vision center" position should be different for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. Is that true? That's what I thought after watching your DVD, but sometimes you give mixed messages on this topic.

Thanks,
Dave

Dr Dave is there a difference between aiming with the cue tip vs aiming with cue ball, I think dominant eye theory will effect aiming with cue tip but not aiming with cb especially when head is below cue or cue under center of chin.

Sorry, but I'm not sure what your mean by "aiming with the cue tip" vs. "aiming with the cue ball." I personally don't use either to aim; although, when I am sighting and verifying my alignment while in the stance, I do make sure my head is in the "vision center" position along the desired aiming line through the center of the cue ball, with the tip centered at the cue ball (for a center-ball hit), and with the cue (as much as I can see) along the desired aiming line. However, I do most of my aiming before I get down on the shot. While in the stance, I just make sure everything is aligned properly. I don't think I would do any of this differently if my" vision center" position happened to be in a different place. Nor do I think I should use a different "vision center" position for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left.

Regards,
Dave

 

[genomachino]

Not even close..........

Geno,

Based on your quotes above, I assume that by "dominant eye" you mean the "right eye" when cutting to the right and the "left eye" when cutting to the left, regardless of which eye might actually be "dominant" or not (based on the standard definition).

And by the "most perfect position," I assume you mean the right eye should be aligned a certain way for shots to the right, and the left eye should be aligned a certain way for shots to the left. If this is true, then depending on eye separation distance, you are in fact recommending that the "vision center" position be different for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. That's what I thought after watching your DVD, but you never seem to be clear on this point on AZB.

Please let me know if my assumptions are wrong, and please correct me if they are.

I don't think the answers to these questions "give away your secrets." They just make it clear to me and others what your believe. I am not trying to discredit your approach. I just want to know what you believe. After watching your DVD and reading hundreds of posts from you, I am still honestly unsure how you think a shot should be sighted differently for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. More specifically, I would like to know if you think the head (and eyes) should be in a different place relative to the cue (assuming a center-ball hit) for shots to the right vs. shots to the left. Here are examples of the kind of answer I am hoping you can provide:

1.) The head and eyes are in the same place relative to the cue for shots to the right vs. shots to the left, but the right eye provides a more dominant view (and guides the aiming more) for shots to the right.

2.) The head and eyes are in a different place for shots to the right vs. shots to the left. For shots to the right, the head is shifted to the right slightly to help provide the right eye a more dominant look at the shot.

If answers "1" and "2" are both wrong, please feel free to provide a corrected version using similar statements. From my understanding of what your DVD presents, I think answer "2" is more correct, but I'm not sure.

Respectfully,
Dave

Neither one is even close Dave,

In the early stages of teaching this there was some confusion because it was all new never before taught info.

I got better at teaching it as I did more lessons.

The dominant eye needs to be in the most dominant position all the time.

This enables the eyes to naturally envision the shot as good as humanly possible. This is as good as it gets.

I quit posting in the Aiming section on AZ because it got to be such a mess of misinformation.

I got tired of trying to help players and continually get bashed for doing so.

I just quietly go around the country and help players everywhere that I go play this game so much better in a quick hurry.

I got teachers around the country getting on here and saying the things I teach are not true. The dominant eye is the whole thing when it comes to aiming and pool players need to know how to do this right if they want to play better pool.

Why do other teachers that teach try to discourage players from even looking at something that really works well for everyone by belittling what they teach just because they don't understand it.

i just don't get it.

But I'm just one man a van and the road...............and still am..........

 

[Dunnn51]

When I was taught to shoot a rifle, NO_ONE asked me which eye was dominant.

What was important (and stressed heavily I might add), Was POINT OF AIM. You had to align your eye with the rear sight. Once you found it there was a tactic to do to prove you were centered. ONLY THEN you would line up with the front sight. (in the case of shooting an OB that would be the point on the back of the OB).It did not matter which eye you used,....( Dominant or other.)

For the record, Opthamologists admit that one eye is "lazier" than the other, hence a "dominant" eye.
Illusionists/magicians know this as well.

Here's a child reference for "point of aim". I didn't want to post the parent site.

http://www.precisionrifle.net/HOW TO HOLD AND SHOOT YOUR RIFLE.pdf See "aiming the rifle" & sentence above as well

 

[naji]

Sorry, but I'm not sure what your mean by "aiming with the cue tip" vs. "aiming with the cue ball." I personally don't use either to aim; although, when I am sighting and verifying my alignment while in the stance, I do make sure my head is in the "vision center" position along the desired aiming line through the center of the cue ball, with the tip centered at the cue ball (for a center-ball hit), and with the cue (as much as I can see) along the desired aiming line. However, I do most of my aiming before I get down on the shot. While in the stance, I just make sure everything is aligned properly. I don't think I would do any of this differently if my" vision center" position happened to be in a different place. Nor do I think I should use a different "vision center" position for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left.

Regards,
Dave

It is ok hard to explain, thanks for your input.

 

[Rhea]

In world war one they used to.........

When I was taught to shoot a rifle, NO_ONE asked me which eye was dominant.

What was important (and stressed heavily I might add), Was POINT OF AIM. You had to align your eye with the rear sight. Once you found it there was a tactic to do to prove you were centered. ONLY THEN you would line up with the front sight. (in the case of shooting an OB that would be the point on the back of the OB).It did not matter which eye you used,....( Dominant or other.)

For the record, Opthamologists admit that one eye is "lazier" than the other, hence a "dominant" eye.
Illusionists/magicians know this as well.

Here's a child reference for "point of aim". I didn't want to post the parent site.

http://www.precisionrifle.net/HOW TO HOLD AND SHOOT YOUR RIFLE.pdf See "aiming the rifle" & sentence above as well

They used to give you the pointing eye dominance test and whatever eye it came up with this is the eye and hand that you were supposed to shoot with?Doesn't sound like too much fun especially if you have someone shooting back at you. I want my best fooy foreward.

If this was true it was a very flawed process.

With a gun you can isolate one eye or the other and line up the sights because you have distinct reference points to use.

On a pool shot you do not.

On a straight in shot it gets as good as it gets because there are both sides of the OB and CB to line up with.

When we cut a ball to the right or left we only have one side of the OB and one side of the CB and we have to gauge how much we are hitting.

With our eyes closer to our work on a pool shot with so much to sort out, the dominant eye has to be in the dominant position or the picture is flawed, kind of like having the gun under the right eye but using the left to shoot,

On a pool shot it doesn't have to be this extreme to be real far off but this is kind of what is happening.

I not only totally uncovered this huge problem but figured out how to fix it.

i help players everywhere I travel and the game of pool becomes so much more fun almost immediately.

Most of us just let the brain try to sort all this stuff out but it just doesn't do a very good job. The players that do this better naturally better play better.

The ones that don't, well those are our 3's and 4's in the leagues. Once these players are showed how to make this happen the results seem like nothing short of a miracle. I do this every week somewhere with a league at a poolhall'

I do small mini lessons to help the players learn and understand it. Then i offer the full lessons to the players that can afford it and this keeps me going on the road.

The poorer players sometimes don't understand the enormity of what they have learned but just think they learned something pretty cool that really helps them a lot.

But it's the player all the rest of the way up the ladder, even in the pro ranks, that need to know this the most. And when they finally do they are pretty amazed. Now they can line up the sights for the first time ever manually and know that the picture is as good as it gets.

This is what I do and why i travel around teaching.

It's like everyone is driving their cars with square wheels and I just show them how much better my round ones work.

And I almost have to take them for a ride myself because nobody, regardless what they claim , has never figured this out in pool before.

Not the full picture and with the right answers.

I have so much fun and wouldn't trade what I do for anything.

One man a van and the road....going on 5 years now.............

 

[genomachino]

In world war one they used to..........

When I was taught to shoot a rifle, NO_ONE asked me which eye was dominant.

What was important (and stressed heavily I might add), Was POINT OF AIM. You had to align your eye with the rear sight. Once you found it there was a tactic to do to prove you were centered. ONLY THEN you would line up with the front sight. (in the case of shooting an OB that would be the point on the back of the OB).It did not matter which eye you used,....( Dominant or other.)

For the record, Opthamologists admit that one eye is "lazier" than the other, hence a "dominant" eye.
Illusionists/magicians know this as well.

Here's a child reference for "point of aim". I didn't want to post the parent site.

http://www.precisionrifle.net/HOW TO HOLD AND SHOOT YOUR RIFLE.pdf See "aiming the rifle" & sentence above as well

They used to give you the pointing eye dominance test and whatever eye it came up with this is the eye and hand that you were supposed to shoot with?Doesn't sound like too much fun especially if you have someone shooting back at you. I want my best fooy foreward.

If this was true it was a very flawed process.

With a gun you can isolate one eye or the other and line up the sights because you have distinct reference points to use.

On a pool shot you do not.

On a straight in shot it gets as good as it gets because there are both sides of the OB and CB to line up with.

When we cut a ball to the right or left we only have one side of the OB and one side of the CB and we have to gauge how much we are hitting.

With our eyes closer to our work on a pool shot with so much to sort out, the dominant eye has to be in the dominant position or the picture is flawed, kind of like having the gun under the right eye but using the left to shoot,

On a pool shot it doesn't have to be this extreme to be real far off but this is kind of what is happening.

I not only totally uncovered this huge problem but figured out how to fix it.

i help players everywhere I travel and the game of pool becomes so much more fun almost immediately.

Most of us just let the brain try to sort all this stuff out but it just doesn't do a very good job. The players that do this better naturally better play better.

The ones that don't, well those are our 3's and 4's in the leagues. Once these players are showed how to make this happen the results seem like nothing short of a miracle. I do this every week somewhere with a league at a poolhall'

I do small mini lessons to help the players learn and understand it. Then i offer the full lessons to the players that can afford it and this keeps me going on the road.

The poorer players sometimes don't understand the enormity of what they have learned but just think they learned something pretty cool that really helps them a lot.

But it's the player all the rest of the way up the ladder, even in the pro ranks, that need to know this the most. And when they finally do they are pretty amazed. Now they can line up the sights for the first time ever manually and know that the picture is as good as it gets.

This is what I do and why i travel around teaching.

It's like everyone is driving their cars with square wheels and I just show them how much better my round ones work.

And I almost have to take them for a ride myself because nobody, regardless what they claim , has never figured this out in pool before.

Not the full picture and with the right answers.

I have so much fun and wouldn't trade what I do for anything.

One man a van and the road....going on 5 years now.............
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[dr_dave]

Cutting to the right and the left.
...
One is a dominant eye and the other is non dominant.
...
When we cut to the right it is the right eye and when we cut to the left it is the left eye.

Geno,

Based on your quotes above, I assume that by "dominant eye" you mean the "right eye" when cutting to the right and the "left eye" when cutting to the left, regardless of which eye might actually be "dominant" or not (based on the standard definition).

And by the "most perfect position," I assume you mean the right eye should be aligned a certain way for shots to the right, and the left eye should be aligned a certain way for shots to the left. If this is true, then depending on eye separation distance, you are in fact recommending that the "vision center" position be different for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. That's what I thought after watching your DVD, but you never seem to be clear on this point on AZB.

Please let me know if my assumptions are wrong, and please correct me if they are.

I don't think the answers to these questions "give away your secrets." They just make it clear to me and others what your believe. I am not trying to discredit your approach. I just want to know what you believe. After watching your DVD and reading hundreds of posts from you, I am still honestly unsure how you think a shot should be sighted differently for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left. More specifically, I would like to know if you think the head (and eyes) should be in a different place relative to the cue (assuming a center-ball hit) for shots to the right vs. shots to the left. Here are examples of the kind of answer I am hoping you can provide:

1.) The head and eyes are in the same place relative to the cue for shots to the right vs. shots to the left, but the right eye provides a more dominant view (and guides the aiming more) for shots to the right.

2.) The head and eyes are in a different place for shots to the right vs. shots to the left. For shots to the right, the head is shifted to the right slightly to help provide the right eye a more dominant look at the shot.

If answers "1" and "2" are both wrong, please feel free to provide a corrected version using similar statements. From my understanding of what your DVD presents, I think answer "2" is more correct, but I'm not sure.

Respectfully,
Dave

Neither one is even close Dave,
...
The dominant eye needs to be in the most dominant position all the time.

This enables the eyes to naturally envision the shot as good as humanly possible.

If I am reading you correctly now, it sounds like you mean the same thing I mean by the "vision center" position. To best visualize the line of a shot and the center of the CB, an individual needs to have their head and eyes in a certain position relative to the cue (that is specific to that individual). I think this is one thing on which we agree completely.

IMO, the head should be in the same "vision center" position for all shots: straight, cuts to the right, and cuts to the left. If I remember right, your DVD suggested otherwise. I'll try to watch it again soon to check this.

Catch you later,
Dave

 

[One Pocket John]

Dr. Dave and Gino,

I think that the reason you use the dominant eye, say right eyed, shooting to the right that it is more natural. (right handed player). Shooting outside of your body.

When shooting to the left it is better to use the left eye, because you are shooting to the inside of your body. Not outside of your body as in a right sided shot.

In any case, I believe that your stance should dictate whether the shot is to the left or to the right. There is a difference.

By the way, as many have posted I certainly appreciate all that you all share.

John

 

[boogeyman]

Neither one is even close Dave,

In the early stages of teaching this there was some confusion because it was all new never before taught info.

I got better at teaching it as I did more lessons.

The dominant eye needs to be in the most dominant position all the time.

This enables the eyes to naturally envision the shot as good as humanly possible. This is as good as it gets.

I quit posting in the Aiming section on AZ because it got to be such a mess of misinformation.

I got tired of trying to help players and continually get bashed for doing so.

I just quietly go around the country and help players everywhere that I go play this game so much better in a quick hurry.

I got teachers around the country getting on here and saying the things I teach are not true. The dominant eye is the whole thing when it comes to aiming and pool players need to know how to do this right if they want to play better pool.

Why do other teachers that teach try to discourage players from even looking at something that really works well for everyone by belittling what they teach just because they don't understand it.

i just don't get it.

But I'm just one man a van and the road...............and still am..........

Now THIS IS SCARY.
One teacher says "dominant has NO role in pool playing" and you, sir, say "the dominant eye needs to be in the most dominant position all the time."

How can we have two beloved teachers teach this great sport when one teaching-approach philosophy contradicts the other.
Someone has got to be wrong and in my mind I KNOW who's wrong but I won't throw out any names.
Let's just say, Geno, that YOU need to keep teaching our pool players.
You understand the underpinnings of where proper alignment begins and how to get there so as to "show" players where they need to be.

 

[AtLarge]

If I am reading you correctly now, it sounds like you mean the same thing I mean by the "vision center" position. To best visualize the line of a shot and the center of the CB, an individual needs to have their head and eyes in a certain position relative to the cue (that is specific to that individual). I think this is one thing on which we agree completely.

IMO, the head should be in the same "vision center" position for all shots: straight, cuts to the right, and cuts to the left. If I remember right, your DVD suggested otherwise. I'll try to watch it again soon to check this.

Catch you later,
Dave

Gene posted this in another thread a few days ago:

... Yes. The head position will always be the same for every shot.

The hard part is knowing how to get there and keep it there for all shots. ...

On the face of it, that sounds consistent with what you are saying about the "vision center" position, Dave (but I would not bet on it).

 

[genomachino]

The cue stick is just like a spear...........

If I am reading you correctly now, it sounds like you mean the same thing I mean by the "vision center" position. To best visualize the line of a shot and the center of the CB, an individual needs to have their head and eyes in a certain position relative to the cue (that is specific to that individual). I think this is one thing on which we agree completely.

IMO, the head should be in the same "vision center" position for all shots: straight, cuts to the right, and cuts to the left. If I remember right, your DVD suggested otherwise. I'll try to watch it again soon to check this.

Catch you later,
Dave

This is why so many players with bad strokes can just fire in the shots.

The cue is just like a spear only we throw it underhand when we shoot a pool shot.

Sometimes on certain shots the head can be tilted so the head and eyes will not be in the same place on the cue.

what matters is where the eyes are on the balls.

There is only one spot. Not an area and it does not matter where the cue is as long as the eyes are in the right position.

Some players you cannot tell where the cue is. their vision is actually curved a little. But that is how they see the shot.

Sorry Dave but there is nothing on your site that really explains how this works.

The real shame is players have to sort through so much stuff that doesn't really help much until they find what really does.

What i teach works and I teach it every week.

 

[CJ Wiley]

"I'm not sure how important the master eye is, all I know is I play better with two

Lots of posts on dominant eye. I say it is less important to know that than it is to align to the shot properly.

Please check this video and forget dominant eye and concern yourself with this.


I believe this is most important.

They used to call the dominant eye "the Master Eye".

The legendary golfer, Bobby Jones said it best

"I'm not sure how important the master eye is, all I know is I play
better with two eyes than I do with one"......Amen.

CliCK PiCtUrE

 

[Scott Lee]

Let's just say that far more prominent and experienced "teachers" than Gene hold the position that dominant eye is, for most people, just not that important. It would appear to include Mr. Wiley, Mr. Brett, and Dr. Dave, as well. It will always boil down to "different strokes for different folks".

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

How can we have two beloved teachers teach this great sport when one teaching-approach philosophy contradicts the other.
Someone has got to be wrong and in my mind I KNOW who's wrong but I won't throw out any names.
.

 

[lee brett]

This is why so many players with bad strokes can just fire in the shots.

The cue is just like a spear only we throw it underhand when we shoot a pool shot.

Sometimes on certain shots the head can be tilted so the head and eyes will not be in the same place on the cue.

what matters is where the eyes are on the balls.

There is only one spot. Not an area and it does not matter where the cue is as long as the eyes are in the right position.

Some players you cannot tell where the cue is. their vision is actually curved a little. But that is how they see the shot.

Sorry Dave but there is nothing on your site that really explains how this works.

The real shame is players have to sort through so much stuff that doesn't really help much until they find what really does.

What i teach works and I teach it every week.

I have to say something after reading some of the comments.

You sight the ball back away from the table (outside the box) find the line of the shot (aiming line) now come in on the line and place your right foot on the line (right handed player) left foot if you are left handed...


You are now aligned correctly.... Every shot is a straight shot and we need to find the aiming line for every shot.

As for the above it is a spot on the ball and not an area, and doesn't matter where the cue is, i can quickly prove you wrong and do a video and shoot at 100 mph and aim at an area of the ball and make it. People i have given lessons to recently are amazed at this, so be careful what you say Gene... Or i can do a video and put the whole dominant eye theory to bed very very quickly and you won't like the outcome.

Explain how i can line up and look away and shoot the ball in if it doesn't matter where my cue or feet are aligned?


I might just do a video to finally put this whole dominant eye to bed once and for all, and that by 1- sighting/aiming correctly outside the box, then your 2-stance/ alignment is set up properly, 90% of sighting the ball is now done.

This is how we make the ball properly

pre shot routine.

1- Sighting/Aiming (outside the box)
2- Stance/Alignment
3- Bridge hand/Arm
4-Backstroke/Pause
5-Follow through/Finish

 

[naji]

I have to say something after reading some of the comments.

You sight the ball back away from the table (outside the box) find the line of the shot (aiming line) now come in on the line and place your right foot on the line (right handed player) left foot if you are left handed...


You are now aligned correctly.... Every shot is a straight shot and we need to find the aiming line for every shot.

As for the above it is a spot on the ball and not an area, and doesn't matter where the cue is, i can quickly prove you wrong and do a video and shoot at 100 mph and aim at an area of the ball and make it. People i have given lessons to recently are amazed at this, so be careful what you say Gene... Or i can do a video and put the whole dominant eye theory to bed very very quickly and you won't like the outcome.

Explain how i can line up and look away and shoot the ball in if it doesn't matter where my cue or feet are aligned?


I might just do a video to finally put this whole dominant eye to bed once and for all, and that by 1- sighting/aiming correctly outside the box, then your 2-stance/ alignment is set up properly, 90% of sighting the ball is now done.

This is how we make the ball properly

pre shot routine.

1- Sighting/Aiming (outside the box)
2- Stance/Alignment
3- Bridge hand/Arm
4-Backstroke/Pause
5-Follow through/Finish

I agree with you for finding coarse aiming position, that certainly works for casual players, but for a player that demands consistency fine aiming adjustments/verification is a must from the box and while down on long, critical and large angle shots (like all Philippines, Japanese, and Chinese players), sure short shots you can aim from the box, go down and shoot, the aim errors for short shots does not contribute to a lot. Dominant eye does play a big role if players use the pool cue as aiming means similar to archery, and rifles aiming. Players that uses CB for aiming i believe dominant eye does not play a major role from vision standpoint, it does from the point of view of alignment of ones shaft in relation to body/face/chest position for consistent directional stroke.

 

[Dunnn51]

you mean they been doing it WRONG for 100 + yrs Rhea ?!?

If I am reading you correctly now, it sounds like you mean the same thing I mean by the "vision center" position. To best visualize the line of a shot and the center of the CB, an individual needs to have their head and eyes in a certain position relative to the cue (that is specific to that individual). I think this is one thing on which we agree completely.


IMO, the head should be in the same "vision center" position for all shots: straight, cuts to the right, and cuts to the left. If I remember right, your DVD suggested otherwise. I'll try to watch it again soon to check this.

Catch you later,
Dave

"Vision Center," ...."Certain Position," this ia all agreed. I'll call it (back to rifle terms) "field of view."

They used to call the dominant eye "the Master Eye".

The legendary golfer, Bobby Jones said it best

"I'm not sure how important the master eye is, all I know is I play
better with two eyes than I do with one"......Amen. ]

With two eyes, you play pool with Bi-nocular 3- Dimensional vision. When you close one eye(it does not matter which one) you brain INSTANTLY views the incoming image as 2- Dimensional With either the strong(Dominant) eye or the lazy eye. The instant you close one eye, you are seeing images with greatly reduced depth.

I have to say something after reading some of the comments.

You sight the ball back away from the table (outside the box) find the line of the shot (aiming line) now come in on the line and place your right foot on the line (right handed player) left foot if you are left handed...


You are now aligned correctly.... Every shot is a straight shot and we need to find the aiming line for every shot.

As for the above it is a spot on the ball and not an area, and doesn't matter where the cue is, i can quickly prove you wrong and do a video and shoot at 100 mph and aim at an area of the ball and make it. People i have given lessons to recently are amazed at this, so be careful what you say Gene... Or i can do a video and put the whole dominant eye theory to bed very very quickly and you won't like the outcome.

Explain how i can line up and look away and shoot the ball in if it doesn't matter where my cue or feet are aligned?


I might just do a video to finally put this whole dominant eye to bed once and for all, and that by 1- sighting/aiming correctly outside the box, then your 2-stance/ alignment is set up properly, 90% of sighting the ball is now done.

:thumbup::thumbup: Props to you Lee.
I had a league team-mate that would get his body aligned with the shot, find his spot, turn his head past 90 degrees,..... and rifle the shot in center pocket. He had a pure stroke ! Had to admit: 1st time I seen it , I was impressed. He would do 1- rail spot on the rail shots the same way. No VISION (except for alignment) what-so-ever.
I believe what YOU say b/c I have seen it happen.

This is how we make the ball properly

pre shot routine.

1- Sighting/Aiming (outside the box)
2- Stance/Alignment
3- Bridge hand/Arm
4-Backstroke/Pause
5-Follow through/Finish