I saw a post saying that if you remove the bumper from the cue it changes something. So not being able to play for a few days to try this, exactly what will change?
Is it the sound or the feel?
Is it the sound or the feel?
Remove the bumper?
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Probably the sound. Although for me, a cue without a bumper means a heavily chipped butt-cap.
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More people do this than you think. I have seen lot's of people over the year's playing with cue's with the bumper removed. Not sure what the effect is and I have even tryed it a few time's but for some it seem's to work. I know of a real good player that takes the bumper out of all of his playing cue's.........maybe it's a psychological thing...
Probably the sound. Although for me, a cue without a bumper means a heavily chipped butt-cap.
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Hmmmmmm...That cue has a bumper and is still jacked.
What does that tell you???
I took the bumper out of mine and replaced it with an aluminum "weight bolt" of sorts like you see on Hoppe style cues since it was about 1/4" too long to fit in my case with the bumper. It seems to have changed the feel and sound a little; the vibration seems to carry through a bit more and there's a little more of a "ping" to it, both in sound and feel. I like it to be honest:thumbup:
For me, playing without a rubber bumper is like driving a car without
a muffler...I like soft hitting cues.
Got some Hoppe style bumperless cues...I glue some rubber on them
Blasphemy, Blasphermer, Blasphermerist.
Thats like no condom, the ultimate bare back cue.
harmonics
This post gets to the root of the result of playing without a bumper I believe. The harmonics travel back and forth the length of the cue very rapidly, more slowly side to side. That is why a bumper or going naked can change the feel and sound of a cue. The bumper does change the harmonics that return from the butt end of the cue.
I shoot without a bumper sometimes but prefer a cue with one. I like a solid hit but not a pingy one to try to define my liking. The bumper doesn't change how the cue hits, the results hitting a cue ball, but it does change our perception of how the cue hits.
Hu
This post gets to the root of the result of playing without a bumper I believe. The harmonics travel back and forth the length of the cue very rapidly, more slowly side to side. That is why a bumper or going naked can change the feel and sound of a cue. The bumper does change the harmonics that return from the butt end of the cue.
I shoot without a bumper sometimes but prefer a cue with one. I like a solid hit but not a pingy one to try to define my liking. The bumper doesn't change how the cue hits, the results hitting a cue ball, but it does change our perception of how the cue hits.
Hu
I had heard of this before so one night I took the bumper out of my Kikel, about ten shots later I put it back in. The feel was totally different to me. It seemed to change quite a bit, certainly much more that I expected it would. On my cue the rubber bumper is just pushed in there are no screws so perhaps it has more of a dampening effect than one that is screwed in. JMO!
My Hoppe wrapless has no bumper just a polished weightbolt. It does have a different hit but I like it just fine.
Not better nor worse than my other cues just different. It seems like there's a bit more feedback and a crisper sound on contact with the cueball.
Not better nor worse than my other cues just different. It seems like there's a bit more feedback and a crisper sound on contact with the cueball.
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Im sure Ted has bumperless cue you can try.
Ted has every cue known.
It may damper and change the sound some. Then they say it Hits A Ton! lol jk only the nits do that. Actually there was one sold called The limb saver. Have not heard about it in a long time > must not have saved many limbs. As a side note I think it weighed 3/4 oz. The cue weight must have felt like a wagon tongue! lol
Rod
Rod
Noise Subduers....
Great post. The original MAIN purpose for the bumper was to keep the poolroom quiet so as to not distract others. They were called noise subduers. The inventor, Creahan, had sold one million from 1896 until about 1916. A million of them.
Great post. The original MAIN purpose for the bumper was to keep the poolroom quiet so as to not distract others. They were called noise subduers. The inventor, Creahan, had sold one million from 1896 until about 1916. A million of them.
I'll bring a bumperless cue for you to try, even though it may be too much cue for you.
DO NOT remove the bumper from your Lucasi.
I'm concerned that it will create a vacuum and implode the forearm.
The weight bolt on the Lucasi came loose so I glued it in and now it is safe.
I can only tell if there is a differance if I do it with one of my cues. Bumper in then bumper out to see if there is a change.
But I will do it with the Pechauer to keep everyone safe and see if it changes the "Vague" hit it seems to have aquired.
BTW, good shooting Monday night.
That was a new team, but the other teams will be a lot better... I hope.
I felt bad and didn't play one safety all night.
That team needs a little training.
See you this weekend
Z
I do ultrasound and have a degree in that. Waves travel at different velocities in different materials, and when two materials that have what is called a significant z difference, or sound speed is different through them, energy is absorbed at the interface and is lost as heat. Also, on ultrasound probes, rubber is used as a dampener which kills vibration between pulses. That being said, taking the rubber bumper out and having that make a difference in the hit of a cue depends on how much vibration is left after energy waves have gone all the way through the several interfaces of a typical two piece cue. Maybe you should attach some kind of oscilloscope to the end of the cue with and without bumper to see the difference. Dampening is a funny thing, it can result in more range of wave frequencies during a particular length of time because, like grabbing a rung bell, the sound goes from its highest frequency to the lowest possible, zero, in the time it takes to dampen it. If you strike a cueball, then during that contact time fewer frequencies would be transmitted with an undampened, bumperless cue (transmitted to the hands or back into the cueball.) Several issues come up due to this, like energy transfer and loss, and feedback ("information" is what Kent Davis the cuemaker calls it.) Without experiments, a whole lot of side issue science pops up and you can end up with more questions than answers. This is complicated I know, so I will leave it at this for now; theoretically an undampened cue retains more energy which could potentially be transmitted back to the cue ball during contact time.
I do ultrasound and have a degree in that. Waves travel at different velocities in different materials, and when two materials that have what is called a significant z difference, or sound speed is different through them, energy is absorbed at the interface and is lost as heat. Also, on ultrasound probes, rubber is used as a dampener which kills vibration between pulses. That being said, taking the rubber bumper out and having that make a difference in the hit of a cue depends on how much vibration is left after energy waves have gone all the way through the several interfaces of a typical two piece cue. Maybe you should attach some kind of oscilloscope to the end of the cue with and without bumper to see the difference. Dampening is a funny thing, it can result in more range of wave frequencies during a particular length of time because, like grabbing a rung bell, the sound goes from its highest frequency to the lowest possible, zero, in the time it takes to dampen it. If you strike a cueball, then during that contact time fewer frequencies would be transmitted with an undampened, bumperless cue (transmitted to the hands or back into the cueball.) Several issues come up due to this, like energy transfer and loss, and feedback ("information" is what Kent Davis the cuemaker calls it.) Without experiments, a whole lot of side issue science pops up and you can end up with more questions than answers. This is complicated I know, so I will leave it at this for now; theoretically an undampened cue retains more energy which could potentially be transmitted back to the cue ball during contact time.