Road Player wins tour stop but wants to remain anonymous

AzHousePro said:
Hey gang, I have one that I really want to get off my chest. I received the usual slew of tourney results from this weekend and received the following picture from one of the tour events.

It seems that the winner is a road player and doesn't want his picture on the internet (presumably because it will kill his action).

The room owner and sponsors of the tour added money and/or product to make the event a success and they do that in exchange for the promotion from the event. I assume this player didn't offer to give the money back that he won since he was not allowing the tour to promote those sponsors properly.

Am I wrong at thinking this sort of thing is very 'dark ages' and is doing nothing at all for the game of pool?

Mike
hmmm ....perchance was this pic taken in Ohio ???


Guy on the left looks like a fellow from the Lancaster, Logan Newark ,Zanesville area ??
They travel in a pack to a lot of tournaments and are well known road warriors in this area.
 
Ratchet said:
hmmm ....perchance was this pic taken in Ohio ???


Guy on the left looks like a fellow from the Lancaster, Logan Newark ,Zanesville area ??
They travel in a pack to a lot of tournaments and are well known road warriors in this area.

No the picture is from Massachusetts, but from what I understand the masked man lives in OH.
 
We had a fellow show up at our annual Fairfield County's Best tournament in Lancaster , Ohio a few years ago, who ,to us locals was an unknown ,No problem, We proceeded to have the calcutta and when he came up, he stood up and bought himself for around 25 - 30 bucks and the calcutta went on and shortly after we got the tournament started a fellow came up to us at the TD's table and told us we had a ringer amongst us .

It turned out to be a fellow named (Jeremy ?)McWhorter (sp) who had recently tore Archer a new ass playing Banks at the DCC a few weeks earlier !
the tournament was immediately halted ,he was ID'ed , we redid his calcutta on the spot ,he then went for somewhere near 400 bucks . Talk about a guy being pissed off .....


Ratchet - he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar ,,,so to speak
 
The whole thing is just plain funny. I continually get knocked by assholes who sneak around using fake names and disguises. I wialk in with my pool cue, tell them my name and that I can play. Anyone is welcome to try me EXCEPT for the scumbucket nit hustlers who want the world and then won't bet a quarter when they have the dead nuts. Screw them, I would have simply refused to pay the guy with the Ski Mask as it was OBVIOUS that his only intention was to ROB the tournament. I would have divided the money from first place among the other finishers, taken a group picture and captioned it, "The True Sportsmen!".

If you want to be a hustler then stay out of the tournaments or learn to work them. If you want to rob the tournaments then be prepared to give up your anonymity. Simple as that.

John - tired of scumbucket two-bit hustlers. I am proud to say that I have outrun the nuts a few times in my life and shot their backer's bankrolls full of holes. Screw them all.
 
Ratchet said:
We had a fellow show up at our annual Fairfield County's Best tournament in Lancaster , Ohio a few years ago, who ,to us locals was an unknown ,No problem, We proceeded to have the calcutta and when he came up, he stood up and bought himself for around 25 - 30 bucks and the calcutta went on and shortly after we got the tournament started a fellow came up to us at the TD's table and told us we had a ringer amongst us .

It turned out to be a fellow named (Jeremy ?)McWhorter (sp) who had recently tore Archer a new ass playing Banks at the DCC a few weeks earlier !
the tournament was immediately halted ,he was ID'ed , we redid his calcutta on the spot ,he then went for somewhere near 400 bucks . Talk about a guy being pissed off .....


Ratchet - he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar ,,,so to speak


I don't see anything wrong with what he did in this case at all. It's not up to him to ensure that everyone is educated as to his capabilities.

I do, however, think it is highly unfair to have to stop the tournament play to redo a calcutta.
 
I didn't see anywhere on this thread, but did the guy enter the tournament under his own name? That would be really stupid if he intended to keep is true identity from everyone. I personally don't like this kind of stuff in pool. I don't like the hustling aspect, and IMO, shame on anyone who has to rely on cheating and trickery to "make a living". If you play your best game and win, great. If you can't find the action, you don't have the balls to match up even. They are just looking to steal money, not win it!! I'm surprised that the guy didn't dump earlier in the tournament as Marissa or someone further up in the post mentioned. Personally, he could probably have made more money sitting in the wings and not even be in the tournament to begin with adn hustling the ones who got knocked off until he gets to the top guy.
 
1pRoscoe said:
I don't see anything wrong with what he did in this case at all. It's not up to him to ensure that everyone is educated as to his capabilities.

I do, however, think it is highly unfair to have to stop the tournament play to redo a calcutta.

The solution is simple - stop having calcuttas. What are we, dogs to be bet on? Besides that, would it fair to enter Seabiscuit in a two bit race worth $10grand to the winning horse, but under a different name? Bet the odds would be great against the unknown to win when he could spot the field 10 lengths. Unethical is unethical.

Stop having calcuttas and then let the players play. Period. Don't bother asking anyone's name just assign them a number and let them play. Take plenty of pictures thoughout the tournament and plaster up the pictures along with good descriptions of how strong they play. Then the info is there for anyone who cares to read it.

Personally, if I owned a pool room I would EDUCATE all of my regulars as to who is who and how to match up and then let them do their thing. I wouldn't let the hustlers rob anyone even though the person getting robbed probably deserved it for playing someone they had no clue about.

It is too bad that Gary Abood feels the need to rob touraments literally in order to survive as a pool player and ridiculous that he needs to portray the figurative robber in order to continue the practice.

John
 
NaClBandit said:
Someone said that he plays Efren EVEN in one pocket. This didn't sound believable to me, but he was probably one of the best non-pros I've ever seen play, so who knows.

Anyone can play Efren even one pocket. Just get up and play and don't ask for a spot. If there's anyone out there who really believes he could win even, we need to talk. I have some beautiful beach front property right here in sunny Phoenix, Arizona that I'll let go for a good price.
 
I agree Marissa.

Sweet Marissa said:
If he wanted anonymity, then he shouldn't have posed for the picture.

Hey Marissa,
Along the same lines. I would like to add another point.

In the late 60's to early 70's there was a road player based in Atlanta at that time. He attented all major events; but, only played in the Green Room. Most of the time he came home a winner.
In 1971 or 72 I had lunch with him. Asked him why he did not enter the tournaments he attended.
His responce was "I do not want the reputation".
In those years I only knew his aka name.
I am speaking of "Wade (Billy Johnson) Crane.

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
 
What sponser

The only question that I have is how would this picture promote the tournament or it's sponsers, you can't see the name on the trophy and there is no back ground advertising( posters, flyers, Big blown up check with sponsers name, pool room name), so the only thing this picture will do is knock this guys action without actually helping anyone.

I would say don't do it in this instance.

Bern
 
"Fairfield Counties Best" What a joke...

Ratchet said:
We had a fellow show up at our annual Fairfield County's Best tournament in Lancaster , Ohio a few years ago, who ,to us locals was an unknown ,No problem, We proceeded to have the calcutta and when he came up, he stood up and bought himself for around 25 - 30 bucks and the calcutta went on and shortly after we got the tournament started a fellow came up to us at the TD's table and told us we had a ringer amongst us .

It turned out to be a fellow named (Jeremy ?)McWhorter (sp) who had recently tore Archer a new ass playing Banks at the DCC a few weeks earlier !
the tournament was immediately halted ,he was ID'ed , we redid his calcutta on the spot ,he then went for somewhere near 400 bucks . Talk about a guy being pissed off .....


Ratchet - he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar ,,,so to speak

Did he win the tournament? NO! Was he a ringer? NO! He is a local player and everyone who knows anything about pool or pool players in central Ohio knows him. He's a good player but he's far from being a champion... So he beat Archer one set in a bank pool tournament! What does that have to do with him playing in a po-dunk local 8-Ball tournament? Archer, as with a lot of pro players can't play a lick of bank pool. Archer is a 9-Ball specialist, so he is fair game playing any short stop player banks or one-pocket. "Talk about a guy being pissed off ....." HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN!!! He got "outed" by a bunch of no nothings that couldn't play dead in a cheap cowboy movie! I was talking to a friend that lives in Lancaster the other day about how you have the "Fairfield Counties Best" tournament and invite players from & advertise it in about 8-9 counties, then get heated when good players show up from other counties. Why don't you just nuke the tournament all together and just crown the "The Painter" as the lifetime "Fairfield Counties Best"? He's THE ONLY "good" player in the entire county...

Saw
 
I will chime in here with my 2 cents.If a guy is playing on a pro level then he has no right playing in a local tournament.Most local tournaments are for decent players who play on a weekend and want to match up with a likewise player not some guy who is looking at it as a easy paycheck.
And thats MHO
 
Jimmy M. said:
Anyone can play Efren even one pocket. Just get up and play and don't ask for a spot. If there's anyone out there who really believes he could win even, we need to talk. I have some beautiful beach front property right here in sunny Phoenix, Arizona that I'll let go for a good price.

The person being talked about definitely would not play Efren one pocket even for the cash. He is a very good one-pocket player but I would play him even and I am pretty sure Efren would give me 10-6. He would probably play Efren one-pocket with 9-6 and the breaks or maybe 10-6.

Wayne
 
lamar25 said:
Hey Marissa,
Along the same lines. I would like to add another point.

In the late 60's to early 70's there was a road player based in Atlanta at that time. He attented all major events; but, only played in the Green Room. Most of the time he came home a winner.
In 1971 or 72 I had lunch with him. Asked him why he did not enter the tournaments he attended.
His responce was "I do not want the reputation".
In those years I only knew his aka name.
I am speaking of "Wade (Billy Johnson) Crane.

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
I wish the road would not have brought him thru OAK PARK,IL. in the mid-sixties. Would have saved me a lotta $. :eek:
 
ribdoner said:
I wish the road would not have brought him thru OAK PARK,IL. in the mid-sixties. Would have saved me a lotta $. :eek:

Hey "ribdoner",
I'm sure there are many others that could say the same thing.

If you don't mind, send me a PM and advise your real name I will call Wade & advise him of your story.

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
 
This is not unheard of. When Jimmy Mattaya started winning big tournaments, he wore sunglasses in close-up television interviews. I'm sure there were a few of his victims that were surprised and maybe even gunning for him once they realized he was a pro caliber player.

I kind of agree that the internet gives everyone a "line" on the players and kills a lot of action for the road players. I don't particularly like road players looking for easy action, but it's a fact of life in the pool world.

I am kind of surprised that none of these players has objected to the photos JAM shows here on A-Z.

Chris
 
MikeJanis said:
Yes Mike this is from the dark ages. But since you may be privy to some info please post all that came in. If someone sent you the results, we (I) would like to know any info that was given. Please post what you have.

On the Viking Tour we no longer allow players to play under road names (since 1997/8?. They may use nick names as long as everyone knows who they are, such as, Kid Delicious, or Dee Adkins we all know who they are even if it's not their real names. Heck, Mike Janis isn't even my real name but that's what everyone knows me by.

I only know of one major regional tour that still allows this to happen. It's in the SE. But I have no knowledge of any others. In fact, that tour even told me that a player can play under any name they choose and even switch names at different events as long as they pay a tour card fee for each name.

Can you give us any additional information please ?

Mj


I know who u r talking about i hear a story about that same tour ..
It's nuts .
There was another tour that is not around no more that did the same thing .and it was in Ga ..
I will not say who ran the tour but i was there when the player walked a stole the tournment..
And yes there was a lot of great players in this ..
And some one got pay from that..
 
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