Rodney Morris Challenges the Top 25 European Players

[Ken_4fun]

I have never been impressed with Rodney's game. But I have never seen him in a gambling match.

I have seen him dog many shots that I would not expect him to miss, the kind that WE miss where it is lack of concentration or hurrying the shot, or taking it for granted.

But I do find it hard for anyone to say that sure he dogs shots in tournaments but when he gambles he never misses a ball....

I understand the short race thing and the rest, but to me, and everyone I have seen play and gamble, there isnt a Clark Kent and Superman being the same guy.

You all are fooling yourselves and bull$hitting the simple ones who belive it. I for one, do not. Show me a guy that is solid in a tournament, and gambles too, and he will be solid gambling. Show me a guy that dogs it in tournaments and gambles, and I will show you a guy that will dog it gambling too.

Ken

 

[JAM]

I have never been impressed with Rodney's game. But I have never seen him in a gambling match.

I have seen him dog many shots that I would not expect him to miss, the kind that WE miss where it is lack of concentration or hurrying the shot, or taking it for granted.

But I do find it hard for anyone to say that sure he dogs shots in tournaments but when he gambles he never misses a ball....

I understand the short race thing and the rest, but to me, and everyone I have seen play and gamble, there isnt a Clark Kent and Superman being the same guy.

You all are fooling yourselves and bull$hitting the simple ones who belive it. I for one, do not. Show me a guy that is solid in a tournament, and gambles too, and he will be solid gambling. Show me a guy that dogs it in tournaments and gambles, and I will show you a guy that will dog it gambling too.

Ken

I'm not sure that's statistically significant data there, Ken. We'll have to ask Atlarge maybe.

The only reason I know this little bit of data is because of my association with Keith, but every time Keith played Alex in tournaments, Keith won. Every time Keith gambled with Alex, Alex won. Maybe they are the exception to the rule.

This littte barkfest here took about 3 hours at the Derby City Classic between Keith and Alex. When it was over, the match took 20 minutes, with Alex coming out on top.

That's the back of Shanon Daulton when he made his famous "mouse peeing on a cottonball" speech. :grin-square:

 

[BeiberLvr]

I have never been impressed with Rodney's game. But I have never seen him in a gambling match.

I have seen him dog many shots that I would not expect him to miss, the kind that WE miss where it is lack of concentration or hurrying the shot, or taking it for granted.

But I do find it hard for anyone to say that sure he dogs shots in tournaments but when he gambles he never misses a ball....

I understand the short race thing and the rest, but to me, and everyone I have seen play and gamble, there isnt a Clark Kent and Superman being the same guy.

You all are fooling yourselves and bull$hitting the simple ones who belive it. I for one, do not. Show me a guy that is solid in a tournament, and gambles too, and he will be solid gambling. Show me a guy that dogs it in tournaments and gambles, and I will show you a guy that will dog it gambling too.

Ken

I think it is possible to gamble better than you do in tournaments. It all comes down to how much more some people tend to focus when they gamble vs. playing in tournaments. It's like your subconscious is hustling. When you care more about the game/stakes, you tend to play at a higher level. But I do agree that it's not going to be night and day.

I personally think Rodney is an underdog playing Daz in a heads up match. Just my opinion.

 

[Ken_4fun]

I'm not sure that's statistically significant data there, Ken. We'll have to ask Atlarge maybe.

The only reason I know this little bit of data is because of my association with Keith, but every time Keith played Alex in tournaments, Keith won. Every time Keith gambled with Alex, Alex won. Maybe they are the exception to the rule.

This littte barkfest here took about 3 hours at the Derby City Classic between Keith and Alex. When it was over, the match took 20 minutes, with Alex coming out on top.

That's the back of Shanon Daulton when he made his famous "mouse peeing on a cottonball" speech. :grin-square:

Wow, JAM.

I am surprized, thanks for the post.

Maybe Im wrong.

I would expect very similar results instead of night and day difference.

Not calling you a liar, but are you sure? Wow.

ken

 

[pro9dg]

I tried to look him up on Google and came up empty.

Does anybody have a link to anything they can post about him? Piqued my interest.

Alex was in his heyday in the early 80s so there was no internet or social media to log every move that he made. He operated a little under the radar back then.

It brings to mind of the time when WW Collectibles produced a set of Trading Cards which featured all the top billiards names. There was a section that covered Don Mackey's Team Billiards players

Team USA lead the way by consenting to their photographs to be used. All the others followed on until it came to Team Mexico. They refused to go along because they reckoned that showing their faces would jeopardised their action

 

[RunoutJJ]

I'm not sure that's statistically significant data there, Ken. We'll have to ask Atlarge maybe.

The only reason I know this little bit of data is because of my association with Keith, but every time Keith played Alex in tournaments, Keith won. Every time Keith gambled with Alex, Alex won. Maybe they are the exception to the rule.

This littte barkfest here took about 3 hours at the Derby City Classic between Keith and Alex. When it was over, the match took 20 minutes, with Alex coming out on top.

That's the back of Shanon Daulton when he made his famous "mouse peeing on a cottonball" speech. :grin-square:

Look its Amar!!!

 

[CJ Wiley]

those "Team America" cards,

Alex was in his heyday in the early 80s so there was no internet or social media to log every move that he made. He operated a little under the radar back then.

It brings to mind of the time when WW Collectibles produced a set of Trading Cards which featured all the top billiards names. There was a section that covered Don Mackey's Team Billiards players

Team USA lead the way by consenting to their photographs to be used. All the others followed on until it came to Team Mexico. They refused to go along because they reckoned that showing their faces would jeopardised their action

I remember those "Team America" cards, We still sign one occasionally. The best Mexican player was Rafael and he was visible playing most major professional tournaments.

 

[pro9dg]

I remember those "Team America" cards, We still sign one occasionally. The best Mexican player was Rafael and he was visible playing most major professional tournaments.

Hi CJ I have two complete sets of the cards. One is still wrapped and unopened. The other set is complete but I cannot lay my hands on them at the moment. I am not sure if Rafael was one of those pictured. I think that around this time he spent some time playing in Germany. I know Marco Marquez was one of the batch of Mexcueists. The others were drafted in and were second tier shooters.
I am not opening my MINT set but I will look out for the other set unless someone else can come up with the names.

 

[shinobi]

But I do find it hard for anyone to say that sure he dogs shots in tournaments but when he gambles he never misses a ball....

To be fair, Rodney does win tournaments, and a lot of high finishes.

 

[JAM]

Alex was in his heyday in the early 80s so there was no internet or social media to log every move that he made. He operated a little under the radar back then.

It brings to mind of the time when WW Collectibles produced a set of Trading Cards which featured all the top billiards names. There was a section that covered Don Mackey's Team Billiards players

Team USA lead the way by consenting to their photographs to be used. All the others followed on until it came to Team Mexico. They refused to go along because they reckoned that showing their faces would jeopardised their action

Gosh, Doug, it seems like that's the story of my life. I keep running into that problem when trying to find out dates, places, names, spellings, et cetera. I've just about given up on photographs of some players. They just don't exist, and if they do, they're Polaroids buried away somewhere in an attic, melting like my .45 records are.

Doug, you should write a book of pool figures that you've enjoyed in your life. Each chapter would be a new player. It would make for an excellent coffee table book. You're an excellent wordsmith. Do it!

 

[CJ Wiley]

Rodney's no "underdog" against anyone in gambling matches.

To be fair, Rodney does win tournaments, and a lot of high finishes.

Rodney's no "underdog" against anyone in gambling matches, on any given day he will defeat anyone (just like many will)...he did just win the US OPEN 10 Ball and beat a host of champion players....and he doesn't even play that well on Diamond Tables......I doubt if he'll gamble on anything other than a Gold Crown playing for significant money.

 

[alstl]

Rodney's no "underdog" against anyone in gambling matches, on any given day he will defeat anyone (just like many will)...he did just win the US OPEN 10 Ball and beat a host of champion players....and he doesn't even play that well on Diamond Tables......I doubt if he'll gamble on anything other than a Gold Crown playing for significant money.

That's interesting since Appleton said he will play Rodney for significant money on a diamond less than 12 hours ago.

I like Rodney but his bark got out in front of his bite this time.

 

[pro9dg]

Gosh, Doug, it seems like that's the story of my life. I keep running into that problem when trying to find out dates, places, names, spellings, et cetera. I've just about given up on photographs of some players. They just don't exist, and if they do, they're Polaroids buried away somewhere in an attic, melting like my .45 records are.

Doug, you should write a book of pool figures that you've enjoyed in your life. Each chapter would be a new player. It would make for an excellent coffee table book. You're an excellent wordsmith. Do it!

I already wrote it and it consisted of over 800 chapters.. I had it on it's own hard drive. But about two months ago my PC was struck with a virus.
Even though the files were on a separate USB drive they were still accessed and encrypted.
I still have some chapters as hard copy but I just don't relish the thought of inputting it again.
Shame really because it was unusual. Some chapters were only 4-5 lines and the longer ones 2 to 3 pages. Facts were printed in black, hearsay chapters in red and some humorous stories adapted to a pool environment were in blue ink.
I intended to publish it when I reached 1000 chapters but at the moment I am about 700 short.

 

[JAM]

I already wrote it and it consisted of over 800 chapters.. I had it on it's own hard drive. But about two months ago my PC was struck with a virus.
Even though the files were on a separate USB drive they were still accessed and encrypted.
I still have some chapters as hard copy but I just don't relish the thought of inputting it again.
Shame really because it was unusual. Some chapters were only 4-5 lines and the longer ones 2 to 3 pages. Facts were printed in black, hearsay chapters in red and some humorous stories adapted to a pool environment were in blue ink.
I intended to publish it when I reached 1000 chapters but at the moment I am about 700 short.

Oh, man, Doug, go with what you have. It doesn't have to be an encylopedia or all-inclusive. I hope you have a backup drive now. That is a shame you lost so much time and work. Don't give up. Make this happen.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Rodney's forte is a power game. imho

That's interesting since Appleton said he will play Rodney for significant money on a diamond less than 12 hours ago.

I like Rodney but his bark got out in front of his bite this time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for Rodney, but I personally think he's the favorite on a tight Gold Crown and the slight underdog on a Diamond.

This is just my opinion and I could be wrong (of course). I like Diamond tables, but they are certainly different than Gold Crowns and you have to change your game to more of a "finesse" style to play on them effectively......Rodney's forte is a power game. imho

 

[alstl]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for Rodney, but I personally think he's the favorite on a tight Gold Crown and the slight underdog on a Diamond.

This is just my opinion and I could be wrong (of course). I like Diamond tables, but they are certainly different than Gold Crowns and you have to change your game to more of a "finesse" style to play on them effectively......Rodney's forte is a power game. imho

My mistake, I thought you were speaking for or backing Rodney. I believe this is a picture of Rodney winning the 2013 U S Open 10 ball championship.

Looks like a diamond table to me and therefore I believe Rodney can play on a diamond perfectly fine.

If the match does happen I'll be pulling for Rodney. I never particularly cared for Appleton's demeanor although his talent is undeniable.

 

[real bartram]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for Rodney, but I personally think he's the favorite on a tight Gold Crown and the slight underdog on a Diamond.

This is just my opinion and I could be wrong (of course). I like Diamond tables, but they are certainly different than Gold Crowns and you have to change your game to more of a "finesse" style to play on them effectively......Rodney's forte is a power game. imho

I have an easy game for Rodney
I'll take just the 9 playing 10 ball in Columbus on a tight diamond

 

[CJ Wiley]

Yes, he can play very well on "Diamonds,"

My mistake, I thought you were speaking for or backing Rodney. I believe this is a picture of Rodney winning the 2013 U S Open 10 ball championship.

Looks like a diamond table to me and therefore I believe Rodney can play on a diamond perfectly fine.

If the match does happen I'll be pulling for Rodney. I never particularly cared for Appleton's demeanor although his talent is undeniable.

The "Diamond game" and the "Gold Crown game" are two different type games, much like in tennis when a tournament is on grass, clay, or synthetic surfaces. Diamond is more like grass, it's fast, the rails are lively and you can't really "stroke" the shots.....because of the speed you have to be very delicate with your "shot speed".

Rodney favors Gold Crowns because he's more of a power player and his game is best suited for slower playing conditions. Yes, he can play very well on "Diamonds," I'm simply saying he's a slight underdog against Darren under those conditions. On slower, tighter equipment he's the favorite.....'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[alstl]

The "Diamond game" and the "Gold Crown game" are two different type games, much like in tennis when a tournament is on grass, clay, or synthetic surfaces. Diamond is more like grass, it's fast, the rails are lively and you can't really "stroke" the shots.....because of the speed you have to be very delicate with your "shot speed".

Rodney favors Gold Crowns because he's more of a power player and his game is best suited for slower playing conditions. Yes, he can play very well on "Diamonds," I'm simply saying he's a slight underdog against Darren under those conditions. On slower, tighter equipment he's the favorite.....'The Game is the Teacher'

I'd take either one over the A E Schmidt I have. Poorly constructed.

 

[voiceofreason]

The "Diamond game" and the "Gold Crown game" are two different type games, much like in tennis when a tournament is on grass, clay, or synthetic surfaces. Diamond is more like grass, it's fast, the rails are lively and you can't really "stroke" the shots.....because of the speed you have to be very delicate with your "shot speed".

Rodney favors Gold Crowns because he's more of a power player and his game is best suited for slower playing conditions. Yes, he can play very well on "Diamonds," I'm simply saying he's a slight underdog against Darren under those conditions. On slower, tighter equipment he's the favorite.....'The Game is the Teacher'

Appleton was brought up on slow cloth (by your standards )