Rodney shows up in Reno

Who Cares If It's Not Legal

MG has a right to do whatever he wants with his Business.
I don't know whether it is legal or not, but in my eyes if he doesn't want him to play then so be it.

I know that CSI has a ban on other players.
You can guess who they are, and would probably be right!

Mark is one of the good guy's in Pool.
He has put a lot of money in Pro Pockets, including Rodney.

I have a lot of respect for Mr. Mark Griffin.
I am going to talk to my partner, about respecting MG ban.
BarneyCalip, California Billiard Club.
 
Nostroke said:
From Webster

1ban verb \ˈban\
: to forbid people from using (something) : to say that something cannot be used or done

: to forbid (someone) from doing or being part of something

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ban

"you're using the wrong english" is not among the best sentences i have ever read either :)
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First, for the billiard term 'english'....we had that out in a thread a couple
years ago....for spin it should be the small 'e'....took us a few pages to
convince Dr Dave...but convince him we did.
( You can have tea served in china....in China.)

As for 'ban' and 'bar'.....dictionaries will record common usage of a word
based on popularity....they are NOT the guardian of good grammar.
(I hear 'irregardless' finally made it into a dictionary.)
 
Let those who have never sinned be the first to throw the stone.
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Once Upon a Time, there was a ferocious African Tribal Chief who lived in a glass house.

After he would defeat another Tribal Chief, he would steal the chairs that they sat on and put them in his glass house.

One day after another conquest, he brought home his spoils and put it in his house.

It proved to be too much weight and was the straw that broke the camel's back. The house and all the chairs it contained can crashing down.

Moral of the story.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't Stow Thrones. Or something like that.

I believe that pool players who rely on the good graces of others to live should also be in the habit of not throwing stones. At least not at the hand that feeds you. Because the other person might catch that stone and throw it back at you.

Cause like, 2 bushes that have birds is better than getting a rock in the head. I like these old sayings.
 
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pt109 said:
First, for the billiard term 'english'....we had that out in a thread a couple
years ago....for spin it should be the small 'e'....took us a few pages to
convince Dr Dave...but convince him we did.
( You can have tea served in china....in China.)

As for 'ban' and 'bar'.....dictionaries will record common usage of a word
based on popularity....they are NOT the guardian of good grammar.
(I hear 'irregardless' finally made it into a dictionary.)
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or when Forte as in 'strong suit' was allowed the 'for-tay' pronunciation because everyone butchered it. Im with ya!
 
yobagua said:
In history the owners, bosses, and employers always want the underlings, hired help, and employees to be obedient, quiet, head bowed, and appreciative. They are mystified why these hirelings complain and fight for improvements when their very existence depends on the patron.
Rodney comes from a tradition of coffee, sugar cane, pineapple, plantation life. The only industry until tourism that permeated the Hawaiian economy. We, Hawaiians, always fought for what we wanted. Many lost, many ended up as outcasts, but we never gave up because we fought for what we believe was right.
Now I don't say we always did it the right way but this is our culture. Coming out of indentured labor. So if anything Im not a friend of Rodneys but I understand him and am in solidarity with him.
Now I also believe that Mark Griffin has been great for pool. He of all people is working hard for the player as well as the fans.
Both are very important to the development of the business. One a great business man and the other a great talent.
I hope that both can come together and resolve the issues. Quietly discuss how they can work with each other.and solve the contradictions. It would only be good for pool in general.
I hope that Rodney can show some remorse for his behavior. Its not like we should be astonished that a pool player can act in a temperamental way. Look around you the next Derby you go to. We don't have enough referees. And I hope that Mark can show it in his heart for forgiveness. I know he is capable of it.
We as the fans should not be so quick to judge. We should not be so quick to expect a punishment for a situation we have never encountered unless we live in that professional world. Let those who have never sinned be the first to throw the stone.
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I don't know where to begin with this nonsense. First of all, Since you're invoking an entire culture (which is both irrelevant and ridiculous), I'll add that if what Rodney does effects all Hawaiian people, then he's brought great shame to them at the same time. Rodney has orchestrated a scorched earth campaign against both CSI and Mark Griffin. He's been escalating this for many, many months.

I'll also add that this isn't a labor issue. By excluding players, CSI is actually improving the state of professional pool by elevating its standards. Players have no legal right to participate in any of their events. It gets all the more convincing when it can be objectively shown that the player(s) have actively undermined the business efforts of CSI.

Your post goes awry, particularly when you overstate the importance of Rodney's (or any individual players) participation in any given event. The amount of people that won't even realize he's missing will far outnumber the half a dozen that will miss him.

The amount of excuses and tolerance for his boorish and disrespectful behavior is astonishing. It could be understandable if you were a young man raised in today's pathetic entitlement society, but you're not. You know about personal accountability, yet you're willing to give Rodney a pass by "hoping" he shows remorse. A public display won't cut it now. He's burned a bridge that can only be repaired through demonstrating a new track record of respect. This will take time and effort on Rodney's part. IMO, he wont make the commitment to dedicate himself to the long arduous process of reinventing himself.

Mark's importance to the game cannot be overstated. He will be remembered and enshrined in pool's HOF. Rodney will be hardly a footnote in its history. He only needs to look in the mirror to know why that is.
 
NYC cue dude said:
I don't know where to begin with this nonsense. First of all, Since you're invoking an entire culture (which is both irrelevant and ridiculous), I'll add that if what Rodney does effects all Hawaiian people, then he's brought great shame to them at the same time. Rodney has orchestrated a scorched earth campaign against both CSI and Mark Griffin. He's been escalating this for many, many months.

I'll also add that this isn't a labor issue. By excluding players, CSI is actually improving the state of professional pool by elevating its standards. Players have no legal right to participate in any of their events. It gets all the more convincing when it can be objectively shown that the player(s) have actively undermined the business efforts of CSI.

Your post goes awry, particularly when you overstate the importance of Rodney's (or any individual players) participation in any given event. The amount of people that won't even realize he's missing will far outnumber the half a dozen that will miss him.

The amount of excuses and tolerance for his boorish and disrespectful behavior is astonishing. It could be understandable if you were a young man raised in today's pathetic entitlement society, but you're not. You know about personal accountability, yet you're willing to give Rodney a pass by "hoping" he shows remorse. A public display won't cut it now. He's burned a bridge that can only be repaired through demonstrating a new track record of respect. This will take time and effort on Rodney's part. IMO, he wont make the commitment to dedicate himself to the long arduous process of reinventing himself.

Mark's importance to the game cannot be overstated. He will be remembered and enshrined in pool's HOF. Rodney will be hardly a footnote in its history. He only needs to look in the mirror to know why that is.
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I must have missed something. What was this great sin that Rodney caused that only reinventing himself will cure? I thought he got mad about having to pay a late fee and said some unkindly things about Mark. I have never met either one, so, I don't have a dog in this race, but unless I'm missing something, I see a lot of overkill here.
 
pt109 said:
How come I've posted some limericks....
....but nobody said I was Bard?
:angry:
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If your limerick stinks
ban-deodorant.jpg
you could be banned.
 
If Barry Behrman banned every player that bad mouthed him, the U.S. Open would have 2-3 players left. I think MG needs to grow a thicker skin and the ability to remain above critical players. Be nice to me or you can't play seems a little childish to me. JMHO...
 
NYC cue dude said:
I don't know where to begin with this nonsense. First of all, Since you're invoking an entire culture (which is both irrelevant and ridiculous), I'll add that if what Rodney does effects all Hawaiian people, then he's brought great shame to them at the same time. Rodney has orchestrated a scorched earth campaign against both CSI and Mark Griffin. He's been escalating this for many, many months.

I'll also add that this isn't a labor issue. By excluding players, CSI is actually improving the state of professional pool by elevating its standards. Players have no legal right to participate in any of their events. It gets all the more convincing when it can be objectively shown that the player(s) have actively undermined the business efforts of CSI.

Your post goes awry, particularly when you overstate the importance of Rodney's (or any individual players) participation in any given event. The amount of people that won't even realize he's missing will far outnumber the half a dozen that will miss him.

The amount of excuses and tolerance for his boorish and disrespectful behavior is astonishing. It could be understandable if you were a young man raised in today's pathetic entitlement society, but you're not. You know about personal accountability, yet you're willing to give Rodney a pass by "hoping" he shows remorse. A public display won't cut it now. He's burned a bridge that can only be repaired through demonstrating a new track record of respect. This will take time and effort on Rodney's part. IMO, he wont make the commitment to dedicate himself to the long arduous process of reinventing himself.

Mark's importance to the game cannot be overstated. He will be remembered and enshrined in pool's HOF. Rodney will be hardly a footnote in its history. He only needs to look in the mirror to know why that is.
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You are not showing the spirit of "Aloha" and for that may you be buried in deep Mahalo.


------> thinking this thread may outlive us all!
 
BarneyCalip said:
MG has a right to do whatever he wants with his Business.
I don't know whether it is legal or not, but in my eyes if he doesn't want him to play then so be it.
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We've determined he can be legally kicked out of the tournament room. It appears that "bad mouthing pool player" is not currently a protected class.
 
Tiddler said:
If Barry Behrman banned every player that bad mouthed him, the U.S. Open would have 2-3 players left. I think MG needs to grow a thicker skin and the ability to remain above critical players. Be nice to me or you can't play seems a little childish to me. JMHO...
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Barry's reputation is shit and he knows he is not in a position to try and take a stand against anyone or anything. Mark is in the polar opposite position.
 
"Mark's importance to the game cannot be overstated. He will be remembered and enshrined in pool's HOF. Rodney will be hardly a footnote in its history. He only needs to look in the mirror to know why that is"

I feel its useless to debate the issue with you who would like to enshrine Mark Griffin into some kind of sainthood. Fine. Like I said Mark does great for pool. However Rodney Morris is a US Champion. That you and your ilk cannot take away from him.

I never made excuses for Morris. I identify with him. I said he might not have done things right and I hope he shows remorse for his behavior. . You want him to remake himself. Well I hope he does but I wont let you be the arbiter of what is correctness.
Maybe you should try Earl first in all your wisdom.
 
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Morris has been a 9 ball US Open champion, 10 ball US Open champion, and has appeared in several Mosconi Cups (with mixed results). Say what you want about this debacle, but he will not be forgotten in pool history. He is a great player.
 
yobagua said:
"Mark's importance to the game cannot be overstated. He will be remembered and enshrined in pool's HOF. Rodney will be hardly a footnote in its history. He only needs to look in the mirror to know why that is"

I feel its useless to debate the issue with you who would like to enshrine Mark Griffin into some kind of sainthood. Fine. Like I said Mark does great for pool. However Rodney Morris is a US Champion. That you and your ilk cannot take away from him.

I never made excuses for Morris. I identify with him. I said he might not have done things right and I hope he shows remorse for his behavior. . You want him to remake himself. Well I hope he does but I wont let you be the arbiter of what is correctness.
Maybe you should try Earl first in all your wisdom.
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So far all I have seen are excuses.. backhanded, sidehanded or otherwise... And since you post in anonymity I can only assume you identify with him because bad behavior got you banned from somewhere when you didn't feel it was fair? Or you are Hawaiin?? I'm kidding on both of those by the way.....

It's not just Rodney that needs to reinvent himself it's pretty much the whole lot who would be considered the old guard here in the states...

Look around at what professional pool players look and act like from the rest of the world... They are all selling something besides their ability with the cue... That something by and large is character and a professional demeanor......

Chris
 
westcoast said:
Morris has been a 9 ball US Open champion, 10 ball US Open champion, and has appeared in several Mosconi Cups (with mixed results). Say what you want about this debacle, but he will not be forgotten in pool history. He is a great player.
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No question Rodney is a talented player and has managed to win 2 American titles over the last few decades. For that alone his name will never be forgotten. Being on the recent American MC teams, though, says more about our state of pool here in America, more than anything else. Pool's history of players is littered with those, that once having tasted greatness, no longer dedicate themselves to the levels that originally made them great in the first place. Of course, a true champion never loses that spirit. They are few and far between. We are lucky to see what a real champion looks like in SVB. Currently there are several European players who fit that bill too.

I can't predict Rodney's future and how he will respond to this adversity. But, a player/person can be remembered for many things, not just their titles. Earl is a prime example. Today Earl is thought of as a great player as much as he is a troubled person. It's a shame that one of the greatest players of all time can not be spoken about without mentioning his negative antics too. Earl has no one to blame for that but himself. Rodney isn't on Earls level, in either ability or problems, but he too is responsible for his performances and legacy. Depending on how this current situation shakes out, it may very well dictate Rodney's future.
 
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