Ron V aiming system video and diagrams

SoundWaves said:
zzzz... I can only get the first min and a half to play. Not that I'm the one disagreeing with you.

Close your browser completely and retry. I've watched it twice on poolvids.com and it plays perfectly here.

COMMERCIAL:

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In order for a bridge set at 10" away to align the stick (at centerball) the same way it does when the bridge is at 25" away, then the bridge hand must allow the stick to move .525" (in this case to the left) away from the 90/90 line.

Since you're making the ball, then that is happening, which I believe proves your point that it is possible.

Having established that, would you say that how much the stick moves in the bridge hand is a variable that an only be accounted for by "feel" or is there another part of the system that tells you how much the stick should move?
 
cigjonser said:
In order for a bridge set at 10" away to align the stick (at centerball) the same way it does when the bridge is at 25" away, then the bridge hand must allow the stick to move .525" (in this case to the left) away from the 90/90 line.

Since you're making the ball, then that is happening, which I believe proves your point that it is possible.

Having established that, would you say that how much the stick moves in the bridge hand is a variable that an only be accounted for by "feel" or is there another part of the system that tells you how much the stick should move?

No feel--- the tip stops when it meets center ball.

The cue is also not moving 1/2"... I know that. SOOOO, my point is there's another variable.
However, it proves the pivot point is NOT the bridge and is in fact behind the bridge... which is what I've been saying all along.
 
Rubyron said:
It looks like you are moving your bridge hand to the left before you shoot.

You are bridging with your palm up off the table. Is it still possible shoot this way with an open bridge and your palm flat on the table?

The outcome is identical. Try it yourself. The base of my bridge is not moving.

If you notice, I'm not coming CLOSE to missing the ball by 2 balls. That's more relevant than making the ball, believe it or not (as far as the discussion goes).
 
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Something's gotta give

SpiderWebComm said:
No feel--- the tip stops when it meets center ball.

The cue is also not moving 1/2"... I know that. SOOOO, my point is there's another variable.
However, it proves the pivot point is NOT the bridge and is in fact behind the bridge... which is what I've been saying all along.

Since the ball is made with the pivot point at 25" and not even hit with the pivot point at 10", something's gotta give. Either the bridge hand is allowing the stick to move 1/2" or so to the left or I'm going to stab myself in the brain.

Maybe try this: put the ruler under your bridge hand and note where the stick is, then body pivot and see if/how much it has shifted to the left. That way at least any misperceptions as to how much the stick actually moves will be reduced if not eliminated.
 
cigjonser said:
Since the ball is made with the pivot point at 25" and not even hit with the pivot point at 10", something's gotta give. Either the bridge hand is allowing the stick to move 1/2" or so to the left or I'm going to stab myself in the brain.

Maybe try this: put the ruler under your bridge hand and note where the stick is, then body pivot and see if/how much it has shifted to the left. That way at least any misperceptions as to how much the stick actually moves will be reduced if not eliminated.

That's what I was going to do if PJ and I met-up. What I meant is I'm not sure if the pivot point moves laterally at all. I bet if it moved slightly to the outside (which I think it does, SLIGHTLY), the .5" lateral movement people keep talking about is prob reduced greatly.... then we're in the ball park, right?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
The outcome is identical. Try it yourself. The base of my bridge is not moving.

If you notice, I'm not coming CLOSE to missing the ball by 2 balls. That's more relevant than making the ball, believe it or not (as far as the discussion goes).

Your fingers, where they touch the table, aren't moving but it looks like the rest of your hand is.

I want you to know that I am not knocking you. I have been following this thread and am trying to understand.
 
Rubyron said:
Your fingers, where they touch the table, aren't moving but it looks like the rest of your hand is.

I want you to know that I am not knocking you. I have been following this thread and am trying to understand.

Based on what you're saying, if it were true, my bridge would be acting like a tripod or like a telescope on a stand (I.E. a pivot point) and I'd be missing the OB completely.

I didn't realize my jacked up bridge would confuse anyone. Had I of known, I would have used an open bridge... but then maybe someone would find something wrong with the open bridge. I assure you the outcome is identical... I'm just too lazy to make another video. I was pumped up at the moment, and now I'm bored again.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
That's what I was going to do if PJ and I met-up. What I meant is I'm not sure if the pivot point moves laterally at all. I bet if it moved slightly to the outside (which I think it does, SLIGHTLY), the .5" lateral movement people keep talking about is prob reduced greatly.... then we're in the ball park, right?

By "outside" do you mean to the left of the 90/90 line?
 
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Jal said:
It works the same way as the laying on of hands cures the blues, various aches and pains, or a gimpy stride - it's a direct miracle from God. Enjoy it while it lasts, for someday the laws of geometry may just be restored to their rightful place.

I know, it seems crazy that they would have been rescinded in the first place, just for the sake of a few pool players, but I think it would be very prudent not to look this particular gift horse in the mouth.

Hallelujah!
Jim

Where's the tent, brother?
Hot August night and the leaves hanging down
and the grass on the ground smellin' sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fA_owKnG08&feature=related
JoeyA
 
cigjonser said:
By "outside" do you mean to the left of the 90/90 line?

I think so. I don't know so. It's just a hypothesis. If I was on Who Wants to be a Millionaire and this was a question and I had no life lines and it was for over $32,000.... I'd make the guess and not take the money. Doesn't mean I'm right though.

The only thing I know is the bridge isn't the pivot point....which if you scroll back to somewhere early on in this thread, maybe within the first 10 pages... that was my point from the beginning.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Based on what you're saying, if it were true, my bridge would be acting like a tripod or like a telescope on a stand (I.E. a pivot point) and I'd be missing the OB completely.

I didn't realize my jacked up bridge would confuse anyone. Had I of known, I would have used an open bridge... but then maybe someone would find something wrong with the open bridge. I assure you the outcome is identical... I'm just too lazy to make another video. I was pumped up at the moment, and now I'm bored again.

It looks like on your first back stroke, right after you pivot to center, your hand tilts over a little to the left. Are you supposed to do that to make this system work? If so, how far over are you supposed to move it.
 
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Dave, thanks again for posting a video. I totally agree with you that the pivot point in order to make the ball has to be behind the bridge, and it makes sense that the bridge on the rail goes easily. I do however see what Rubyron sees in your video. Your bridge hand is moving significantly on the 10" hand bridge shot. But it seems like you are agreeing with this in a way by saying that the cue moves .5" in the bridge hand.

How the cue moves that distance is apparently the disagreement. It can move within the bridge if the bridge is loose. It can also move in a tight bridge if the whole bridge moves or the bridge fingers are rearranged. But again, I agree that the pivot point is behind the bridge in this case in order to make the ball.
 
Rubyron said:
I looks like on your first back stroke, right after you pivot to center, your hand tilts over a little to the left. Are you supposed to do that to make this system work? If so, how far over are you supposed to move it.

It shouldn't it. I don't think it tilted... if it did, it was slight. If the bridge tilted to the left, it actually hurt me instead of helping me.

By the way.... the ONLY point I wanted to make was the location of the pivot point. If the cue moves 1/2" (which I don't feel at all.... I could bridge REAAAAAAALLY tight and still execute perfectly), it's not my concern.

I just wanted to show the bridge was not the pivot point.... which I think I accomplished. Agreed?
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
The outcome is identical. Try it yourself. The base of my bridge is not moving.

If you notice, I'm not coming CLOSE to missing the ball by 2 balls. That's more relevant than making the ball, believe it or not (as far as the discussion goes).

Did you wear them down, Dave? :D

JoeyA
 
The cue could also move to a parallel position from its starting position. Then there's no pivot at all, just a shift. But again, this would mean moving the bridge hand.
 
Songs are fine but the thread reminds me of poetry

JoeyA said:
Where's the tent, brother?
Hot August night and the leaves hanging down
and the grass on the ground smellin' sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fA_owKnG08&feature=related
JoeyA


It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,

Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),

That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind


The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall

Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:

"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"




The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, "Ho! what have we here

So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear

This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"


The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take

The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:

"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"




The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.

"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he;

" 'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"



The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,

Said: "E'en the blindest man

Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can

This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"



The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,

Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,

"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"



And so these men of Indostan

Disputed loud and long,

Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,

Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!


Moral:

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,

Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,

And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
 
bluepepper said:
The cue could also move to a parallel position from its starting position. Then there's no pivot at all, just a shift. But again, this would mean moving the bridge hand.

If it was a parallel shift, you'd NEVER make the ball at that distance.
 
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