Sarah Ellerby vs Jennifer Chen (How would you rule?)

BrooklynJay said:
oh, and i heard some players were warned not to be coming online telling all the dark scary secrets of the wpba.

OK, so in order to remain as WPBA touring pro, one must give up the First Amendment to the United States Constitution? Wow, that is a bit too much:eek: All that for what? To put up with a dishonest competitor and to be elbowed afterward?

S.
 
sunnyday said:
OK, so in order to remain as WPBA touring pro, one must give up the First Amendment to the United States Constitution? Wow, that is a bit too much:eek: All that for what? To put up with a dishonest competitor and to be elbowed afterward?

S.

It would seem that way to me. That's why I mentioned "gag order" early in these threads. Johnnyt
 
sunnyday said:
OK, so in order to remain as WPBA touring pro, one must give up the First Amendment to the United States Constitution? Wow, that is a bit too much:eek: All that for what? To put up with a dishonest competitor and to be elbowed afterward?

S.

You're actually not that far off here. They cannot discuss or criticize ANYTHING that has to do with their tour to ANYONE, without fear of being sanctioned or fined. The WPBT is becoming a Totalitarian state!

I for one think that a little controversy is good for the game. It might actually get you a little press. And that's not such a bad thing. Maybe they will decide next to play their tournaments in private. That way no one will know anything about it unless you're a player. And they can release whatever information they want to the media. This way when you see it on TV, it will all be new. OMG, I better be careful or they just may do it.

Remember when the Women's Golf Tour tried to limit media access to their players and their tournaments. That was only a couple of years ago. What a disaster that was. It's interesting that the new WPBA Director has a background with women's golf. And a close friendship with S.E. :rolleyes:
 
I guess no more updates for the bad boys & girls of AZ. I probably won't sleep now. Johnnyt
 
sunnyday said:
OK, so in order to remain as WPBA touring pro, one must give up the First Amendment to the United States Constitution? Wow, that is a bit too much:eek: All that for what? To put up with a dishonest competitor and to be elbowed afterward?

S.

In the end, after they have expended all that energy hiding, silencing, and disguising the the truth, it will still be there for all of us to see.

The smart thing to do would have been to settle the disciplinary issue immediately - send a message that the behavior (whatever behavior that was) would not be tolerated.

By not doing that, and by chastising players for expressing their disgust with the incident - sitting around waiting for little birdies ... I think its sad - not for me, but for the players.
 
Blackjack said:
- sitting around waiting for little birdies ... I think its sad - not for me, but for the players.

Little birdies... I know it was directed to people who can't keep their mouth shut. But I took an offense to that - name calling. It just sounds so...less significant than the Big Birds:scratchhead:

S.
 
You know what? Screw it! Why wait around for something that isn't going to happen? If anyone feels that strongly about it and you're at a WPBA event, just boo loudly the next time Sarah E. is introduced. So what? That's how the fans communicate. Nothing over the top, just a good old fashioned "Boo!"

She'll probably look you right in the eye like she wants to elbow you. lol
 
sunnyday said:
OK, so in order to remain as WPBA touring pro, one must give up the First Amendment to the United States Constitution? Wow, that is a bit too much:eek: All that for what? To put up with a dishonest competitor and to be elbowed afterward?

S.

SD,
From what I've heard so far, there has not been any sanction against a WPBA player for any comments made regarding this incident; nor have any "warnings" been issued. I believe that to be an unfounded "AZB rumor".

It seems clear that an investigation has already occurred; perhaps we will at some point hear about it through more official channels. Perhaps not; it also seems clear that no one is anxious to air unpleasant incidents (who would???).
 
Da Poet said:
You know what? Screw it! Why wait around for something that isn't going to happen? If anyone feels that strongly about it and you're at a WPBA event, just boo loudly the next time Sarah E. is introduced. So what? That's how the fans communicate. Nothing over the top, just a good old fashioned "Boo!"

She'll probably look you right in the eye like she wants to elbow you. lol

DP,
Interesting idea....I don't believe I have EVER heard a boo at a WPBA event. Perhaps that is what the board is trying to prevent by keeping things internal. It could definitely be an "attention-getter" though. I am sure that I would never do it; but it would be interesting to see the reaction. You might be asked to leave.
 
put glue on the label then?

By booing Sarah, have we "convicted her"? Or.... is there enough supporting evidence to support her bully label? From what I have read, it appears so, but I don't know that someone close to the situation has come out conclusively and said as much. (If so, sorry for not re-reading this long standing thread.)

Interesting matter. Booing would be motivated not just by the bully-ing history but also at the WPBA for what may be a chummy cover-up.
 
Very good points.

The interesting question to me are not the reasons why she should be booed, but why shouldn't she or any other player for that matter? What makes booing in pool inappropriate?

Isn't it written somewhere in the sports fan's bill of rights that booing is allowed for any reason, good or bad?
 
sunnyday said:
OK, so in order to remain as WPBA touring pro, one must give up the First Amendment to the United States Constitution? Wow, that is a bit too much:eek: All that for what? To put up with a dishonest competitor and to be elbowed afterward?

S.


I wouldn't exactly say they're being made to give up their first amendment rights. There are a lot of organizations that have privacy clauses, etc. It's like with television and people not being allowed to reveal things. However, if there's no formal policy, I don't think you can enforce it.


PJ
 
How I'd rule

I'd make Sarah and Jennifer, John and Danny eat RAW LINSEED OIL. Use BUTCHERS BOWLING WAX for Suntan OIL then use ARALDRITE 2 part epoxy as lipstick. everybody would be silent for awhile. mark
 
Williebetmore said:
SD,
It seems clear that an investigation has already occurred; perhaps we will at some point hear about it through more official channels. Perhaps not; it also seems clear that no one is anxious to air unpleasant incidents (who would???).

I think one inherent problem is that Jennifer, not being native to the US, probably did not understand that it needed to be written down and no one else probably encouraged her to do it either. Most players would feel that when you bring something to the board verbally, that it has now been brought to their attention, so no further action is required. However, just like any job, you need documentation of events to be placed in an employee's file, imaginary or otherwise.

If she was more familiar with laws and the elbowing happened, then the option of going to the police and filing a formal complaint may also have been one that Jennifer pursued.

I again concur that it should have been documented, but that could have gone both ways. After it was verbally brought before the board, could that not have been documented by the Board and acted upon in the same way as if it had been written?

I guess as it stands, other than the foul during the game (which I assume is the part that Sarah got a warning for) it comes down to she said, she said and the ruling goes to the shooter, or the elbower in this case. :embarrassed2:

I don't doubt that the WPBA is doing a fine job. What we have to realize is that it is not a full-time job for the ladies (and possibly unpaid?) and that all decisions go on an agenda that is decided on at the next meeting, just prior to the next stop. And anything major is handled with conference calls, etc. with all involved parties in-between tournaments. That is my understanding of the process anyway.

You cannot fault them for not wanting any soiled laundry to see the light of day. It is a protective issue and any bad press, while it may attract a certain population, will probably detract from gaining sponsorship. The WPBA has to be presented as a squeaky clean package, as well as the players in it. And most of the players are. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel though, as we all know. :frown:

I do not support booing (except for bad calls, lol) and it could have the effect of spotlighting her and disrupting other players or matches. I think the WPBA is trying to settle this with diplomacy and integrity and they have made their decision. I am sure that any future misconduct by Sarah WILL be dealt with more severely.
 
rackmsuckr said:
I do not support booing (except for bad calls, lol) and it could have the effect of spotlighting her and disrupting other players or matches.

Booooooooooooo!!!! :D



You know I only boo ya because I love ya!:wink:
 
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I headed to the tournament tomorrow morning for the semi-finals and finals. I'm going to ask around and see what's the "word on the streets", so to speak.
 
What has been found out is that Ellerby got a warning.

The WPBA has/had instated a: "warning, fine, suspension" ladder of discipline.

The WPBA requires written offense violations because anything verbal can be argued as heresay for defense.

Barbara
 
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