SBE Allen really got greedy this year!

Kd,
No disrespect but you have no real understanding why and how things in business work. You have to make profit and it has to sustain you. Either the players want to play or not and no businessman owes them anything or else they could be their own promoters if its so easy.
Sadly,

I know and understand a lot more than you know! I have an Economics degree and inside info on industry matters.

I don't put people down or bad mouth! So, I am making vague and broad statements! Not specific!

Several upstart tournaments stiffed the players! A fact!

Several do exceedingly well and see little to no increase!

So, yes all the risk and no reward is accurate!

I could say a lot more! A lot but would not treat people like that.

Just like my lack of comment to protect promoters! I can't stand by and watch the pro players thrown under the bus either!

Kd

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Players have all the risk and no reward. When a promoter does bad the purse is the first thing cut!

But, a promoter does well and still adds the same amount for 15 years straight!

I understand the players displeasure!

P.s. I am not saying this is the case with this event! Just painting pro players negatively is not 100% true. They have some justification looking at the big picture!

is it a requirement that a Professional pool player NOT have a job so that their sole income isn't relying on the prize money in sponsored pool tournaments? They take all the risks? Why, because they'd rather play pool for a living rather than work a job and play Professional pool on the side? Many of the greatest players to have ever held a cue stick in their hands....had full time jobs.....so, what changed.....that pool players today should be able to support themselves solely from playing the game? Because others in this industry make money, Pro's should get a cut of that because they showed up and played in an event held at the expo?
 
is it a requirement that a Professional pool player NOT have a job so that their sole income isn't relying on the prize money in sponsored pool tournaments? They take all the risks? Why, because they'd rather play pool for a living rather than work a job and play Professional pool on the side? Many of the greatest players to have ever held a cue stick in their hands....had full time jobs.....so, what changed.....that pool players today should be able to support themselves solely from playing the game? Because others in this industry make money, Pro's should get a cut of that because they showed up and played in an event held at the expo?
You help design and modified and improved the diamond table and your contributions go unrecognized monetarily despite growing profits and international sales.

The owner is riding in a Bentley and your scraping by. You expect as things go well they will share the love?

But, you have no guarantee!!!

Now you became vocal and all you hear is "get a job"

I have to put this in "your terms " to illustrate!

All hypothetical scenario above!

Kd

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is it a requirement that a Professional pool player NOT have a job so that their sole income isn't relying on the prize money in sponsored pool tournaments? They take all the risks? Why, because they'd rather play pool for a living rather than work a job and play Professional pool on the side? Many of the greatest players to have ever held a cue stick in their hands....had full time jobs.....so, what changed.....that pool players today should be able to support themselves solely from playing the game? Because others in this industry make money, Pro's should get a cut of that because they showed up and played in an event held at the expo?

The ol' job analogy never cuts the mustard. Never!

They are professional pool players. That's what they do. The industry sucks for pool in America. We are lucky to have Allen Hopkins keep the SBE going.

One thing folks might need to remember is what the "E" stands for in SBE. It's not all about the pro players, FWIW, though Allen continues to support professional pool at this EXPO. The EXPO is for players of all caliber and railbirds alike.
 
Oh come on guys.
If this was still held at Valley Forge and the prices for the players to play got jacked, I might understand more.
But who knows or cares. Business is tricky.

Costs change in business all the time.
Same supplier might increase costs because they want to make more money off a product, or because it actually costs them more. Prices go up.
New Venue? How do we know that the Venue itself didn't jack prices up? Prices go up.

I remember pizza shops getting pissed because every year, at a certain time, the cows didn't "produce" as much and the price of cheese went up.
Why is it that every summer right around the time people start to take vacations, the price of gas seems to go up?
The venue had the same pricing to play for over 20 years.

Like I give a crap if prices go up a little.

Allen should just CANCEL the pro events, and stick to the leagues, and bar table events.
Then what would people bittch about?

Does it suck that the players can't make a decent living because pool sucks in America? Yes. I know pool players that have no other skill sets and this is all they know. That has to suck given the way pool has declined in the past 2 decades.
It is Hopkin's responsibility to give the players a huge handout to compensate for it? No. Absolutely not.

Just like any product, no one has to buy it.
If you don't like the price, don't spend your money, and instead, spend it on something you feel is worthwhile.

In the meantime, I will continue to support this event for all time.
It's one of the best things that ever happened to pool, and the fact that it still survives in today's pool climate, is a testament to that.

Could be worse.
It could fold, and we could all be on the internet telling war stories remembering the good old days of when the expo used to be around and how we miss it.

Big picture people.
 
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I haven't read most posts...

That said anybody who slams SBE is a 100 percent solid gold nit. This event is pool paradise (and he'll at times). You expect people to put on events as charity, it's not happening.
 
Ok I read the comments about Appleton. He's a superstar player sponsored by the biggest name in pool. If he worked for me I'd fire him in a heartbeat. It's shameful what these whiny pros are doing to their livelihood. There will ne v er be a major pool tour sponsor from a non pool industry...which is the only way pro pool will ever become what they want. Somebody needs to make a player organization with rules of conduct that are enforced.
 
The ol' job analogy never cuts the mustard. Never!

They are professional pool players. That's what they do. The industry sucks for pool in America. We are lucky to have Allen Hopkins keep the SBE going.

One thing folks might need to remember is what the "E" stands for in SBE. It's not all about the pro players, FWIW, though Allen continues to support professional pool at this EXPO. The EXPO is for players of all caliber and railbirds alike.

In my opinion, until there is a line drawn in the sand that separates those that are the Pro's, and all those that are NOT the Pro's....there will never be Professional pool players in this sport. When anyone with an entry fee can play against the best in the world....for the same prize money....there is no separation by skill level, and therefore....expos will be where they continue to try and earn some extra money. And kd, you're right, but I haven't exactly been standing around waiting on scrapes to live on:cool:
 
Sadly,

I know and understand a lot more than you know! I have an Economics degree and inside info on industry matters.

I don't put people down or bad mouth! So, I am making vague and broad statements! Not specific!

Several upstart tournaments stiffed the players! A fact!

Several do exceedingly well and see little to no increase!

So, yes all the risk and no reward is accurate!

I could say a lot more! A lot but would not treat people like that.

Just like my lack of comment to protect promoters! I can't stand by and watch the pro players thrown under the bus either!

Kd

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Did this event stiff players? No
Exceedingly well? Who are you to determine how much money a person makes?
All the risk and no reward? The players know the payout before they come. Allen takes all the risk, and should be rewarded if he does well - it's none of your business.
Broad statements that do not apply to THIS event have no place here

Economics degree??? Who gives a shit! Run your own expo then expert
 
Did this event stiff players? No
Exceedingly well? Who are you to determine how much money a person makes?
All the risk and no reward? The players know the payout before they come. Allen takes all the risk, and should be rewarded if he does well - it's none of your business.
Broad statements that do not apply to THIS event have no place here

Economics degree??? Who gives a shit! Run your own expo then expert

My knowledge of business and business practices was called into question! So, yes my response was valid and appropriate! Despite your feelings!

You and others can continue with this black and white view. The issue is very gray! If it makes anyone feel better to view the players as villains , then go for it!

But, most people with an open mind on the issue know better and benefit from the benefit of the player perspective on the issue.

Keep your hostile tone and rhetoric down, just because you don't like hearing the other side of the issue. Is not grounds to freak out.

Kd

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My knowledge of business and business practices was called into question! So, yes my response was valid and appropriate! Despite your feelings!

You and others can continue with this black and white view. The issue is very gray! If it makes anyone feel better to view the players as villains , then go for it!

But, most people with an open mind on the issue know better and benefit from the benefit of the player perspective on the issue.

Keep your hostile tone and rhetoric down, just because you don't like hearing the other side of the issue. Is not grounds to freak out.

Kd

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Players as villians? Can you read?
 
My knowledge of business and business practices was called into question! So, yes my response was valid and appropriate! Despite your feelings!

You and others can continue with this black and white view. The issue is very gray! If it makes anyone feel better to view the players as villains , then go for it!

But, most people with an open mind on the issue know better and benefit from the benefit of the player perspective on the issue.

Keep your hostile tone and rhetoric down, just because you don't like hearing the other side of the issue. Is not grounds to freak out.

Kd

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Maybe mommy can can warm some milk and give you nappy time. Seems little K is a wittle sweepy.
 
Maybe mommy can can warm some milk and give you nappy time. Seems little K is a wittle sweepy.
Thread lightly! The above "could" be considered a personal attack and subject to banishment!

But, I am not one to run to the moderators!

Kd

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Did this event stiff players? No
Exceedingly well? Who are you to determine how much money a person makes?
All the risk and no reward? The players know the payout before they come. Allen takes all the risk, and should be rewarded if he does well - it's none of your business.
Broad statements that do not apply to THIS event have no place here

Economics degree??? Who gives a shit! Run your own expo then expert

lmao. Everything you've said in this entire thread I agree with Jason, You're point is understood clearly and this pissing match back and fourth is typical when certain people on here are involved. Why does this event continue year after year and churn a profit? Most likely because the promoter has the most inside information, the argumentative guy with an economics degree that uses it in a completely different industry.
If you're the guy taking the risk, YOU should garnish the reward. If 1 person complains out of every 100 It's obvious things could be much much worse
 
lmao. Everything you've said in this entire thread I agree with Jason, You're point is understood clearly and this pissing match back and fourth is typical when certain people on here are involved. Why does this event continue year after year and churn a profit? Most likely because the promoter has the most inside information, the argumentative guy with an economics degree that uses it in a completely different industry.
If you're the guy taking the risk, YOU should garnish the reward. If 1 person complains out of every 100 It's obvious things could be much much worse
This is were misunderstandings come from!

My comment was not about Allen or any other promoter!

Went out of my way to make that clear!

Kd

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I have personally know Allen for over 25 years and remember quite well when he first proposed the Expo idea and when it happened in '93 everyone loved it . . . and he took a bath financially . . . and that didn't change or several years . . . which MOST of the attendees never knew or cared to know . SO here is a father & son promoting a major pool event for several years - who are making all their annual income (or not) on this one event.

Yes, perhaps there needs to be some fine tuning, clearly there are areas for improvement but what would happen if there was NO event next year - then what . . . ??
 
Yeah, I agree. I think Allen should have came here on AZB and asked everyone who has an opinion, how he should run his business and how much he should charge for every aspect of the SBE' as to NOT piss anyone off.....for fear of them being a no show at the event, therefore putting him in a position of going broke. In fact, I think anyone who posts on AZB....should at least be required to discuss their next pay raise so that it can be determined if the person deserves it or not....and should be willing to give full disclosure as to their cost of living so that we can all figure out the persons NET income.....so that it can be voted on by the AZB members as it may be to much income....as some of us may not earn that much money.....and no that just wouldn't be fair now would it:rolleyes:

Everyone wants more money in pool.

No one wants it to come out of their pocket.
 
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