Scott Frost & Make it Happen

[Fast Lenny]

I really enjoyed the one pocket event. Scott is getting a good deal of heat after his loss to Alex, Alex played great and had a ton of table time on it, Scott came in and probably hit two balls but all excuses aside, he lost. For this event, when it was announced, Scott and I talked about it and he said his biggest gripe was the ten footer as he never played on one. The shots on these tables are nowhere near the same, muscle memory wise unless you are a diamond system user the banks have to be hit longer, most banks missed were short.

Scotts 1-4 record looks bad but two matches, one with Shane and the other with Corey he lost hill to hill with opportunities to win both matches, missing ball in hand against Shane was one of them, with Corey it was a combination I believe. The other matches with Efren and Shannon were blowouts and he did beat Alex who was awesome in this event. If Scott beat Corey and Shane he would have been 3-2 and possibly even better because your mind is different winning hill-hill matches instead of losing them. I think Scott has not been playing enough and relying on knowledge of the game which everyone else is getting these days. One pocket was a specialty game and years back top 9 ball and straight pool players did not mess with it so the guys like Ronnie Allen dominated.

If you take the best pool player and teach him the moves he should become the best one pocket player but one key is having creativity which Efren Reyes has a ton of and so does Scott. Scott does not practice, does not play the other top players but 2-3 times a year and the other guys are playing one another week to week. If he put in the time that Shane does on the table then he probably would be playing better then his top gear, right now he is 2-3 balls under that gear for sure and still holds his own.

Race to 3 anything can happen in it, personally I think a race to 4 would have been a bit better for this event, some matches were over in 30 minutes to an hour. I like the ten footer because leaving them long and on that end rail was huge and really gave these guys a blood test. All in all it was a great event, I hope they make the 8 ball and 1 pocket annual invitationals. Keep supporting Accu-stats, they have been doing it for so long and doing a great job.

 

[Nick B]

I really enjoyed the one pocket event. Scott is getting a good deal of heat after his loss to Alex, Alex played great and had a ton of table time on it, Scott came in and probably hit two balls but all excuses aside, he lost. For this event, when it was announced, Scott and I talked about it and he said his biggest gripe was the ten footer as he never played on one. The shots on these tables are nowhere near the same, muscle memory wise unless you are a diamond system user the banks have to be hit longer, most banks missed were short.

Scotts 1-4 record looks bad but two matches, one with Shane and the other with Corey he lost hill to hill with opportunities to win both matches, missing ball in hand against Shane was one of them, with Corey it was a combination I believe. The other matches with Efren and Shannon were blowouts and he did beat Alex who was awesome in this event. If Scott beat Corey and Shane he would have been 3-2 and possibly even better because your mind is different winning hill-hill matches instead of losing them. I think Scott has not been playing enough and relying on knowledge of the game which everyone else is getting these days. One pocket was a specialty game and years back top 9 ball and straight pool players did not mess with it so the guys like Ronnie Allen dominated.

If you take the best pool player and teach him the moves he should become the best one pocket player but one key is having creativity which Efren Reyes has a ton of and so does Scott. Scott does not practice, does not play the other top players but 2-3 times a year and the other guys are playing one another week to week. If he put in the time that Shane does on the table then he probably would be playing better then his top gear, right now he is 2-3 balls under that gear for sure and still holds his own.

Race to 3 anything can happen in it, personally I think a race to 4 would have been a bit better for this event, some matches were over in 30 minutes to an hour. I like the ten footer because leaving them long and on that end rail was huge and really gave these guys a blood test. All in all it was a great event, I hope they make the 8 ball and 1 pocket annual invitationals. Keep supporting Accu-stats, they have been doing it for so long and doing a great job.

Lenny is bang on here. In my previous post I did not mention race length because I thought it would be petty but yes 3 is short. Race to 4 or 5 would have been better.

Nick

 

[richiebalto]

I really enjoyed the one pocket event. Scott is getting a good deal of heat after his loss to Alex, Alex played great and had a ton of table time on it, Scott came in and probably hit two balls but all excuses aside, he lost. For this event, when it was announced, Scott and I talked about it and he said his biggest gripe was the ten footer as he never played on one. The shots on these tables are nowhere near the same, muscle memory wise unless you are a diamond system user the banks have to be hit longer, most banks missed were short.

Scotts 1-4 record looks bad but two matches, one with Shane and the other with Corey he lost hill to hill with opportunities to win both matches, missing ball in hand against Shane was one of them, with Corey it was a combination I believe. The other matches with Efren and Shannon were blowouts and he did beat Alex who was awesome in this event. If Scott beat Corey and Shane he would have been 3-2 and possibly even better because your mind is different winning hill-hill matches instead of losing them. I think Scott has not been playing enough and relying on knowledge of the game which everyone else is getting these days. One pocket was a specialty game and years back top 9 ball and straight pool players did not mess with it so the guys like Ronnie Allen dominated.

If you take the best pool player and teach him the moves he should become the best one pocket player but one key is having creativity which Efren Reyes has a ton of and so does Scott. Scott does not practice, does not play the other top players but 2-3 times a year and the other guys are playing one another week to week. If he put in the time that Shane does on the table then he probably would be playing better then his top gear, right now he is 2-3 balls under that gear for sure and still holds his own.

Race to 3 anything can happen in it, personally I think a race to 4 would have been a bit better for this event, some matches were over in 30 minutes to an hour. I like the ten footer because leaving them long and on that end rail was huge and really gave these guys a blood test. All in all it was a great event, I hope they make the 8 ball and 1 pocket annual invitationals. Keep supporting Accu-stats, they have been doing it for so long and doing a great job.

Very good post LENNY as always!

 

[naji]

I really enjoyed the one pocket event. Scott is getting a good deal of heat after his loss to Alex, Alex played great and had a ton of table time on it, Scott came in and probably hit two balls but all excuses aside, he lost. For this event, when it was announced, Scott and I talked about it and he said his biggest gripe was the ten footer as he never played on one. The shots on these tables are nowhere near the same, muscle memory wise unless you are a diamond system user the banks have to be hit longer, most banks missed were short.


99.9% of shots attempted to pocket a ball were less than 9 feet, in fact the 10' helped some 9' shots since CB is not dead to a rail,

Scott has a habit to play low % shots and give the game away, and try to fight back, too late, his opponent already on free wheeling mode

Scotts 1-4 record looks bad but two matches, one with Shane and the other with Corey he lost hill to hill with opportunities to win both matches, missing ball in hand against Shane was one of them, with Corey it was a combination I believe. The other matches with Efren and Shannon were blowouts and he did beat Alex who was awesome in this event. If Scott beat Corey and Shane he would have been 3-2 and possibly even better because your mind is different winning hill-hill matches instead of losing them. I think Scott has not been playing enough and relying on knowledge of the game which everyone else is getting these days. One pocket was a specialty game and years back top 9 ball and straight pool players did not mess with it so the guys like Ronnie Allen dominated.
He is a pro and knows well that knowledge alone does not help in pool
If you take the best pool player and teach him the moves he should become the best one pocket player but one key is having creativity which Efren Reyes has a ton of and so does Scott. Scott does not practice, does not play the other top players but 2-3 times a year and the other guys are playing one another week to week. If he put in the time that Shane does on the table then he probably would be playing better then his top gear, right now he is 2-3 balls under that gear for sure and still holds his own.

Can we blame his loss on lack of practice

Race to 3 anything can happen in it, personally I think a race to 4 would have been a bit better for this event, some matches were over in 30 minutes to an hour. I like the ten footer because leaving them long and on that end rail was huge and really gave these guys a blood test. All in all it was a great event, I hope they make the 8 ball and 1 pocket annual invitationals. Keep supporting Accu-stats, they have been doing it for so long and doing a great job.

We saw the 8 ahead with Alex, he still gave the first 4 games away on a platter!

 

[Fast Lenny]

We saw the 8 ahead with Alex, he still gave the first 4 games away on a platter!

I blame Scott's game as of late to lack of play with the other pro players, desire, not practicing and the top echelon players learning the game who do all of the things required to perform their best. In the past many of these guys who were top one pocket players were certainly not top 9 ball players even though they can win against almost anyone, most of that is do to knowing the moves. I have beat plenty of guys who can spot me the 7 playing nine ball very easily in one pocket because of the lack of knowledge they possess, they shoot wrong shots.

The best ball strikers once they learn the moves and shooting the right shots in one pocket will be the best or should I say are the best. One pocket is no longer this little niche game and its more popular now then ever, its easy for anyone who wants to learn the moves to do so through instructional dvds and match videos all over online. If two guys have close to the same amount of knowledge in one pocket and the other one performs better, then he wins usually, that is what is going on here.

Scott, Shannon and Efren are the more knowledgeable players I feel but Alex and Shane are the best ball strikers, Corey is the most creative which can also make him the most dangerous to beat any of them. These are just my opinions though but then again what do I know about one pocket?, I am a 3 ball player.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Lenny is bang on here. In my previous post I did not mention race length because I thought it would be petty but yes 3 is short. Race to 4 or 5 would have been better.

Nick

I think next time it might be a race to 4, with the shot clock it makes sense and these guys run out like water anyway.

 

[porper-sig]

10' table makes it a completely different game. I would add however that although every one played on the same table, it had to be tough for Scott being on a 10' for the first time.

Good showing from all involved. I hope this 10' table thing doesn't catch on though. I'm just not a big fan.

best,

Justin

Agree about the 10's.. What's the point?

 

[The Renfro]

OK I just drove back from Jersey and I am dead tired so I will make this short and sweet....

Have any of you nits knocking Scott's play even hit the first ball on a 10ft table?? That should take care of 98% of you so STFU....

We had Efren, SVB, Alex, Corey, Daulton and Frost in the event... I am pretty sure based on the rolls you could have seen any of them and I mean any of them at 1-4..

Scott was chosen and based on his play SHOULD have been chosen... He was a few moves short of being in the hunt...

In short if you wanted Cliff there then step up and "make it happen"... It's way easier to bet with your mouth than your wallet....

Chris Renfro

 

[JAM]

lol, I love you and Keith Jam, stir up that pot. Are you the only one who feels Cliff long time history and success at this game made him a contender for this event?

I definitely do. One thing Cliff has is seasoning, and though one-pocket is his game, because of his experience, he can adjust to equipment quickly, to include the 10-footer.

In defense of Scott Frost, playing one-pocket on a 10-foot table would disable some of the weapons in his arsenal of one-pocket shots. As well, everybody is entitled to an off-day. I've seen champions with goose-egg scores in tournaments, and the next day, these same players will play with fluidity, proficiency, and run out with ease.

Maybe someday Cliff Joyner will get his propers and be recognized for the one-pocket phenom that he is. I hope it happens while he is still alive. I am reminded of Strawberry. :frown:

 

[mikeyfrost]

Race to 4 in this tourney would be awesome. Lose the ten foot though, I cringed watching people scared to hit shots. I don't like how strong distance is, just wasnt feeling it. SVB prob wins every time.

 

[naji]

I blame Scott's game as of late to lack of play with the other pro players, desire, not practicing and the top echelon players learning the game who do all of the things required to perform their best. In the past many of these guys who were top one pocket players were certainly not top 9 ball players even though they can win against almost anyone, most of that is do to knowing the moves. I have beat plenty of guys who can spot me the 7 playing nine ball very easily in one pocket because of the lack of knowledge they possess, they shoot wrong shots.

The best ball strikers once they learn the moves and shooting the right shots in one pocket will be the best or should I say are the best. One pocket is no longer this little niche game and its more popular now then ever, its easy for anyone who wants to learn the moves to do so through instructional dvds and match videos all over online. If two guys have close to the same amount of knowledge in one pocket and the other one performs better, then he wins usually, that is what is going on here.

Scott, Shannon and Efren are the more knowledgeable players I feel but Alex and Shane are the best ball strikers, Corey is the most creative which can also make him the most dangerous to beat any of them. These are just my opinions though but then again what do I know about one pocket?, I am a 3 ball player.

I bought Scott's DVD playing Efren, truthfully Scott was phenomenal, he killed Efren in that match, i highly recommend it to anyone pocket player. I bet on him winning the Make it Happen even though he sucked with Alex, thinking he has that style "hunger for win" but apparently not. I know he is like a diesel engine, its horse power shows under heavy load and when it is hot!! but unfortunately with the people he played last week all got their engines running way back and ready to fire. Hope he will come back..

 

[JAM]

I bought Scott's DVD playing Efren, truthfully Scott was pronominal, he killed Efren in that match, i highly recommend it to anyone pocket player. I bet on him winning the Make it Happen even though he sucked with Alex, thinking he has that style "hunger for win" but apparently not. I know he is like a diesel engine, its horse power shows under heavy load and when it is hot!! but unfortunately with the people he played last week all got their engines running way back and ready to fire. Hope he will come back..

Last night, Keith made a $50 bet to win on a favorite in a horse race. I thought $50 was a little high, but he said this horse can't lose. He showed me the Racing Form, the stats, the trainers, the legendary jockey, his speed, what tracks he raced, who he beat. In the end, this horse looked like the Secretariat compared to the other nags in the 5th race.

Well, it's post time, and the horses lined up, waiting to break out of the gate. Boom! And they're off. Our horse, the No. 2 horse, was in the front of the pack with a couple others, but he had a good break into the lead.

Keith said, "This horse can't lose. Just watch him." They're going around the track, and the No. 2 was looking pretty good to win the race.

Then the last turn, the No. 2 broke down. I mean, it was noticeable. He went from first place to the the rear of the pack and hobbled over the finish line in last place.

Point is even when the horses look good on paper, they might have an off day. Or, in the alternative, they could be laying down a lemon for the big race, hope to get better odds with a bigger payday.

 

[naji]

Last night, Keith made a $50 bet to win on a favorite in a horse race. I thought $50 was a little high, but he said this horse can't lose. He showed me the Racing Form, the stats, the trainers, the legendary jockey, his speed, what tracks he raced, who he beat. In the end, this horse looked like the Secretariat compared to the other nags in the 5th race.

Well, it's post time, and the horses lined up, waiting to break out of the gate. Boom! And they're off. Our horse, the No. 2 horse, was in the front of the pack with a couple others, but he had a good break into the lead.

Keith said, "This horse can't lose. Just watch him." They're going around the track, and the No. 2 was looking pretty good to win the race.

Then the last turn, the No. 2 broke down. I mean, it was noticeable. He went from first place to the the rear of the pack and hobbled over the finish line in last place.

Point is even when the horses look good on paper, they might have an off day. Or, in the alternative, they could be laying down a lemon for the big race, hope to get better odds with a bigger payday.

Thanks JAM, my horse lost the "supposedly 20k race" , and recent race, and the derby, and....i guess time to find another horse?

 

[JAM]

Thanks JAM, my horse lost the "supposedly 20k race" , and recent race, and the derby, and....i guess time to find another horse?

Every horse has a streak when they can't lose, just like pool players. Some streaks last longer than others.

With horses, however, they are retired to a beautiful life of green pastures, all you can eat, and all you can -- well, studding services. :grin-square:

With pool players, they never seem to want to retire. They keep giving it their all, hoping to catch a little lightning in the jug. There is no green pasture, though, for the pool player whose game diminishes.

I still feel sad that Cliff Joyner is not celebrated as the one-pocket phenom that he truly is. In essence, it boils down to the silence of one's friends hurts worse than the words of naysayers. :frown:

 

[Nick B]

At the risk of beating a dead horse here...they almost came in reverse order of their age and probably eye sight (Efren killed my theory but you get the idea). The best movers in a movers game did not win. The straightest shooters came in 1 ans 2.

Nick

 

[Alf Taylor]

Where's your book, jam?

Last night, Keith made a $50 bet to win on a favorite in a horse race. I thought $50 was a little high, but he said this horse can't lose. He showed me the Racing Form, the stats, the trainers, the legendary jockey, his speed, what tracks he raced, who he beat. In the end, this horse looked like the Secretariat compared to the other nags in the 5th race.

Well, it's post time, and the horses lined up, waiting to break out of the gate. Boom! And they're off. Our horse, the No. 2 horse, was in the front of the pack with a couple others, but he had a good break into the lead.

Keith said, "This horse can't lose. Just watch him." They're going around the track, and the No. 2 was looking pretty good to win the race.

Then the last turn, the No. 2 broke down. I mean, it was noticeable. He went from first place to the the rear of the pack and hobbled over the finish line in last place.

Point is even when the horses look good on paper, they might have an off day. Or, in the alternative, they could be laying down a lemon for the big race, hope to get better odds with a bigger payday.

This strays a little off subject but reading your post, JAM, was as exciting and fluid as any race caller could lay down. But, you always write with interest and proficiency. Considering that, and the inside information you posess from you know who (Not to mention your fan base on here) you really should, if you're not already doing it, write a book.

Limelight was created with flames to light up the stage...You must have shared a lot of that light.


Need a publisher? "I don't object if you call collect."
Keep it JAM like. Alfie

While I'm here, I'd like to pitch in a couple of pennies about 10ft tables. BURN THEM ALL. I never even knew they existed until sometime in the 60s I strolled into a place in Inglewood that had them. They redefined
"helpless". The last spot shot I shot is still rolling...the wrong way.
Now, this has nothing to do with the way champions adjust. That's why they're champions but for "shortstops" and under, "fuggettaboutit."

The other side of the coin is, around the same time a player from around San Francisco came into The Tropicana bowl in Inglewood and played Richie F. six ahead nine ball for 500. on a ten footer. Being the gracious host Mr. Florence was, he permitted his guest to flip the coin and lose the flip...that's all. Six pack. "Bye bye" visiting guy.
I loved Richie, even though meeting him was a bit pricey. He had game, he had heart and he was funny as hell to be around.
Keep it AZB like. Alfie

 

[Treyf123]

2012 Tunica

Not really trying to stir the pot up here but here goes nothing. This past year in tunica Scott offered SVB to play even for 5k a game and shane told him I need 8-7 when scott said no SVB walked out the room. Thats pretty strong in my opinion. So to say scott cant play with these guys I think is completly wrong.

I hit balls on a 10footer for the first time this past week at the sbe and its just a different animal im sure most of you know that. Anyone that expects your game to be the same for the first time on a 10footer is just ignorant IMO. Scotts Game is all about making that first tough ball and getting 7 more (not saying he doesnt move well but he likes to run out) and on a 10footer for the first time he just couldnt do it. Not saying he would have won if it were on a 9footer but I Believe he does not miss those out balls on svb and corey. Not trying to make excuses for him but come on guys.

 

[tucson9ball]

Is there a link to the match scores?

 

[oldzilla]

Is there a link to the match scores?

still here as of now.

http://www.accu-stats.com/liveppv.html

 

[Black-Balled]

Not really trying to stir the pot up here but here goes nothing. This past year in tunica Scott offered SVB to play even for 5k a game and shane told him I need 8-7 when scott said no SVB walked out the room. Thats pretty strong in my opinion. So to say scott cant play with these guys I think is completly wrong.

... come on guys.

You really needed a comma in that last sentence there!

I wouldn't put too much stock in SVB asking for a ball, if the came didnt go off. Could be like asking a top-notch cuemaker to make you a sneaky pete, he doesn't want to, but he will...for $235,870.99