Secret To This Shot........
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Russ Chewning said:
no one in thier right mind would take me up on this position shot. i'll say it again you don't know what your talking about. there are no hard feeling's i just thought i'd give some knowledge to sponge-like players. but the bet is still there. as far as the u.s. open the people who know me on this forum know why i'll be there and i woudn't make a statement like this unless i'm 99.99% sure. by the way on a different note thank you for protecting me, my family, the iraqi people and the world by your tour of duty. that is very sincere.
skins said:i'll take his bet also.
We got ACTION!!!
Russ
See. We really need to arrange an AZB challenge shot play-off. I think DCC would be a great place to have it. I think it should be "my way" versus "your way" so that it's player against player rather than a percentage, but I suppose we could do X out of 10 as well by all who want to try their favorite way.skins said:
Bob Jewett said:
Bob,
I like the way your mind works. The committee will take it under advisement. Maybe we could post the shots ahead of time; and get some match-ups arranged. We could call it the "AZB Put Up or Shut Up Challenge" - or something equally delicate.
Williebetmore said:
That's cool for later, for now, I just want his money on this "impossible shot".
Russ
Russ Chewning said:
havn't you wondered why no one is coming forward with this bet. the only offer is for a very well known trick shot artist to try it and this is second hand at that. the reason is the position is such a "quack" that even if a person practiced it they would get so discouraged that they would come to same thought i did and that's that 99.99% of the time it won't be done. don't come back and say that since i said it 99.99% it can't be done that that leaves .01% for someone to make it. that .01% is a courtesy to Mother Nature and even that is giving her too much leeway.
Hal said:
I agree, with both balls frozen to the rail i have to put inside english to hug the rail to pot it.
skins said:
Actually, here's what I posted up above, it's definitely not an offer, just a might:
"There's a trick shot artist I know who for the right amount and a certain number of chances to make the shot and so on might be willing to take you up on your offer. You may know who he is."
Let's see if he takes you up on it, not so sure he will.
Flex
Ok, I shot this shot about 20 times last night, and I only found 1 way that I could consistently get out.
The first few times, I tried to do something extra with the cb, like drawing it above the side pocket for a cut on the 6, or shooting at the right edge of the 5 and trying to masse back into it to create an angle. I quickly found out that, when actually aiming at any part of the 5 ball, any cue elevation over a couple of degrees can produce disastrous results. I'm not sure, but it seemed like the elevation of the cue was causing the cb to bounce off of the slate slightly, then ricochet off of the bottom of the cushion, pushing it away from the rail; the result was that the cb barely even made contact with the 5.
The next thing I tried was, with my cue as level as possible, to shoot straight at the 5 and draw back. I couldn't get within an inch or so of the pocket using that method, but a more skillful player may be able to pull that one off. I also tried to aim out from the rail a little with inside english and shoot a draw shot, but I found that if I hit it hard enough to draw back above the side pocket with so little cue elevation, I couldn't get the small amount of curve I needed out of the cb to contact the correct point on the 5. Either that, or the ricochet effect was coming back due to the additional power. Regardless, to get that much draw, you have to hit substantially harder than pocket speed, which means you have to hit the sweetest of sweet spots on the 5 to get it to drop, and that's very hard to do from that position.
In the end, I had to resort to the inside-spin method, and slow my stroke down to the point where I could only get maybe one or two inches of draw. The cb was still frozen to the rail every time I shot it this way, but the bank is almost a throw-in from there anyway. I was 3 for 4 with that method, so, while I wouldn't say that I've got the nuts from there, I definitely feel that it's the best option for me.
Good luck!
The first few times, I tried to do something extra with the cb, like drawing it above the side pocket for a cut on the 6, or shooting at the right edge of the 5 and trying to masse back into it to create an angle. I quickly found out that, when actually aiming at any part of the 5 ball, any cue elevation over a couple of degrees can produce disastrous results. I'm not sure, but it seemed like the elevation of the cue was causing the cb to bounce off of the slate slightly, then ricochet off of the bottom of the cushion, pushing it away from the rail; the result was that the cb barely even made contact with the 5.
The next thing I tried was, with my cue as level as possible, to shoot straight at the 5 and draw back. I couldn't get within an inch or so of the pocket using that method, but a more skillful player may be able to pull that one off. I also tried to aim out from the rail a little with inside english and shoot a draw shot, but I found that if I hit it hard enough to draw back above the side pocket with so little cue elevation, I couldn't get the small amount of curve I needed out of the cb to contact the correct point on the 5. Either that, or the ricochet effect was coming back due to the additional power. Regardless, to get that much draw, you have to hit substantially harder than pocket speed, which means you have to hit the sweetest of sweet spots on the 5 to get it to drop, and that's very hard to do from that position.
In the end, I had to resort to the inside-spin method, and slow my stroke down to the point where I could only get maybe one or two inches of draw. The cb was still frozen to the rail every time I shot it this way, but the bank is almost a throw-in from there anyway. I was 3 for 4 with that method, so, while I wouldn't say that I've got the nuts from there, I definitely feel that it's the best option for me.
Good luck!
Aaron_S said:
Finally someone who actually tries the shot and reports on the practicalities of it. Those who are saying they can draw the CB back off the rail are confusing "frozen to the rail" with "really close to the rail". To make the 5 go in the pocket, the contact with the 5 has to be nothing short of perfect. I think you've got less margin of error in the aiming of this shot than a 12' straight-in snooker shot (CB in one corner, OB in center table). The key thing is the CB and OB are both partly under the cushion, and anything funky on the ball will make you miss. You sink the 5 ball on its terms, not yours. I'm certain that if any bets take place based on skins' woofing, he's going to take the money, as long as he stipulates a reasonably tight table, and as much draw as some are claiming they can get (several feet).
Remember, the shot was described as "frozen", not "really close to the rail".
Of course, that also makes this whole thread a little irrelevant. This shot will never come up in a game. Balls are extremely rarely frozen to the rail except in proposition or exhibition shots. I've never seen a game shot where CB and OB are honest-to-god frozen to the same rail.
-Andrew
Re-evaluate
Ok I tried it too, and here is the easiest way for me.
I cross bank the 5 into the other corner, and this sends the cue down the table and puts me in perfect for putting the 6 in that same corner.
(This is only if the 7,8,9 aren't somewhere in the way though.)
I couldn't do it with draw at all, and I couldn't seem to leave myself for the bank on the 6 either.
Ok I tried it too, and here is the easiest way for me.
I cross bank the 5 into the other corner, and this sends the cue down the table and puts me in perfect for putting the 6 in that same corner.
(This is only if the 7,8,9 aren't somewhere in the way though.)
I couldn't do it with draw at all, and I couldn't seem to leave myself for the bank on the 6 either.
Andrew Manning said:
i've explained all this already. as far as it being irrelevant that's not quite true either. i've been playing pool for 28 years and this "type" shot though rare has comes up more frequently than you would think. if you havn't seen this shot maybe you havn't played long enough, on enough different tables or just don't remember it happening. your also right that if anyone wanted to take the bet i would end up with the cash because this position can't be done with draw. the worst part about threads like this is you get some posters to argue with you who don't know what there talking about and that can drive a mild manned person like me to start "woofing" and that's me out of character.
skins said:
yeah...totally out of character
