Poor sportsmanship..................
Shane's racking "trick"
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Poor sportsmanship..................
They must break from the rail? I think its not true
I have read 257 posts so far and THIS ONE ABOVE makes more sense than all the rest. Spot On. Congrats to Shane for all the hard work, he's a pleasure to watch play
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Magic rack is part of the solution. Another part is random instead of pattern racking. It would however cause problems - for the rack mechanics.
Opponent racks using a magic rack.
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Niels 'The Terminator' Feijen (Official)
14 hours ago · Edited
13-10 Shane over Dennis! Both players hit over .950!! Best final I've ever seen!
Home sweet home tomorrow to my 2,5 girls, safe travels to ya all
Not really an apology, but somewhat of a congratulation
Niels 'The Terminator' Feijen (Official)
14 hours ago · Edited
13-10 Shane over Dennis! Both players hit over .950!! Best final I've ever seen!
Home sweet home tomorrow to my 2,5 girls, safe travels to ya all
Not really an apology, but somewhat of a congratulation
Everybody who has ever watched him play 9 ball or 10 ball has seen him spin the one ball. Whether he does it before or after the rack is lifted is a distinction without a difference.
Smart move on Shane's part, he found a loophole in the rules and he used it to his advantage but don't assert he doesn't do it. You can go on youtube and find dozens of examples of Shane leaning forward and spinning the cue ball.
I'm not saying it does, but I've yet to see SVB get similar results from his break in any of the tournaments using neutral rackers.
Yawn.
How was that the original premise? Nobody is disputing how well SVB plays, they're just disappointed in his rack rigging.
Shane being an excellent pool player doesn't mean he isn't also a cheat. In the same way that other people cheating, too, doesn't make it okay.
Did you miss the part where both Orcollo and Jay Helfert checked Shane's rack multiple times, and he still broke the balls like God?
This reminds me of the time when Tony Watson was giving up the break and. 6 out on the BB. I was telling a buddy of mine about it and the room owner came over and told me to tell Tony next time I saw him to come and give that spot to him. Tony shows up and beats him out of 2k . The next time I saw the room owner he told me he had never lost 2k that fast and he would try Tony again but he better not catch him running his fingers through his hair before he racked the balls. This was when Tony had enough hair to run his fingers through. Tony may have run his fingers through his hair but it had nothing to do with him winning nor does Shane's spinning the 1 ball .
Exactly , these accusations are so ridiculous it's not even funny.... Well a little funny
If Shane was rack rigging then everyone else would be. He racks the balls better and breaks the balls better and that's it. The people making these accusations just don't know any better. If so they would explain how it works and demonstrate it but we won't see that because it's a myth
In the finals, I don't recall Shane ever touching the 1-ball even before the rack was lifted (other than putting it at the head of the rack before pushing the rack forward).
Spinning the one ball is NOT a rig...
When the rack is rolled forward it pulls the one ball off slightly, all that feathering does is lock it to the two head balls.
This crap about him pushing other balls off by doing this is just that, crap...
We saw that when economopoulis was checking the rack after he did it.
I do it too, although I've found (which a lot of them started doing also) that it is just as easy to get the same results by finding the little divot and racking the balls so the one is JUST BARELY forward of the divot so it rolls back into the other balls when you pull the rack away.
The intention is just to get the balls locked up so you're not slug racking yourself.
Jaden
When the rack is rolled forward it pulls the one ball off slightly, all that feathering does is lock it to the two head balls.
This crap about him pushing other balls off by doing this is just that, crap...
We saw that when economopoulis was checking the rack after he did it.
I do it too, although I've found (which a lot of them started doing also) that it is just as easy to get the same results by finding the little divot and racking the balls so the one is JUST BARELY forward of the divot so it rolls back into the other balls when you pull the rack away.
The intention is just to get the balls locked up so you're not slug racking yourself.
Jaden
Actually, it has a lot to do with the original premise when you think about it. Players stating so and so wins because they are rack mechanics is insinuating the mechanic isn't the better player at all. But only win cause they know how to rack better. I think history has shown that Shane isn't afraid to play anyone who thinks they are a better player than him. Heck, he's said multiple times he's not the best player but whoever thinks they are, he wants to play them!!
I don't think Shane is a rack mechanic but I do think he has learned to read the rack in such a way that gives him the greatest chance of pocketing a ball. You may say they are one and the same but I think we saw in the match against both Dennis and Nikos that Shane broke and played better than both players. Given they both inspected the rack says a lot. Nikos inspected every think iirc and asked for multiple reracks to which Shane complied and never inspecting the rack of either of those players.
If Niels or any other player thinks they are better I'm sure they can get played with a neutral racker.
That says a lot about Shane.
But in golfing you are permitted to look at the conditions of the green before the putt....
Reading the rack IS permitted, and you should examine the rack each time your opponent does the racking. This assertion that some are obviously cheating even though both there opponent AND the ref scrutinize their every rack....is laughable...and without merit. Corey and others have solved the mystery
of breaking through study and long hours of practice......but you can and should examine the rack if it is loser racks and winner breaks, just to protect yourself from the ugly slug rack.
of breaking through study and long hours of practice......but you can and should examine the rack if it is loser racks and winner breaks, just to protect yourself from the ugly slug rack.
I'm sorry but....
Independent racker no one able to check the rack is ridiculous...
First off, EVERYONE has favorites, there's no such thing as an independent racker.
Second. I get slug racked by people who are A)too lazy to rack it right B) too incompetent to know how to rack right or C) want to give me a slug rack, all the time. I'm not gonna trust that they aren't one of the above.
The only way I trust someone else to rack for me is if they're using a magic or turtle rack.
Regardless of whether I'm slug racked or not, I always rack well and ensure that at least the first three balls are all frozen for any opponents.
Jaden
Independent racker no one able to check the rack is ridiculous...
First off, EVERYONE has favorites, there's no such thing as an independent racker.
Second. I get slug racked by people who are A)too lazy to rack it right B) too incompetent to know how to rack right or C) want to give me a slug rack, all the time. I'm not gonna trust that they aren't one of the above.
The only way I trust someone else to rack for me is if they're using a magic or turtle rack.
Regardless of whether I'm slug racked or not, I always rack well and ensure that at least the first three balls are all frozen for any opponents.
Jaden
I agree even in snooker more dignity is placed on the game with an official present and racking as well, it adds consistency and a bit of respect for the game. Perhaps that is why us yanks don't do as well in Europe.
I like Niel and am a fan of his so this latest post is good to see. His original deleted post was over the line especially due to the timing of it; Shane saw it prior to his last two matches and had his last 2 opponents plus the referee without any prompting from the opponent checking his rack. That could have disrupted Shane's rhythm but thankfully didn't. Shane mentioned briefly the "drama" on the table during his acceptance speech but gracefully left it at that.
BTW, congrats to Shane for weathering it all and winning
Shane is a class act and the rest of these guys need to follow his example. Only a few other Americans get the respect they deserve. The rest can be a bunch of bedwetters and cry babies. I think jealousy plays a main role aswell. You wanna beat Shane?? Put as much work and dedication into your game like he does. Its no fluke that Shane is who he is. You get what you put in and that young man puts EVERYTHING into his game day in and day out. Congrats on setting a HUGE new record Shane. I hope you win it again next year without this racking drama crap. You da man!!! :thumbup2: