Shipping ivory over seas?

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I have a few people ready to pull the trigger on one of my cues with ivory but they are international buyers. Is there a safe way to do this? Who normally assumes the risk in that situation? I hate turning down a sale but don't want to loose cue and money either.

Thanks,
Mike
 
I was interested in some cues with ivory also. I shared with other AzBers from Vietnam who have more experience than me, and they say if I want the cue, I can only buy it if the seller is willing to ship out with me taking all the risk. on my side, I could not afford the risk. and on the seller's side, some may not be willing to ship ivory out of US even if I take the risk. deanoc was one of them.
 
So I'm just curious as of the law.. it's legal to ship ivory within the US just not to another country?
 
Yes, it is legal to ship it within the US. But, if your cue is ever picked out for a random inspection, and there is a question as to whether the ivory is legal or not, be prepared to not get your cue back for a long while. There are so many hoops that cue makers and the people they buy ivory have to go through, it's amazing! Generally, within the US is totally safe. But, "generally" is not always or 100%.

Chris
 
To Azer;s
in Asian areas i go to BKK and HK twice a year,,if you like to buy cue or cues and have me hand them to you when i come,,contact me for fee and info,,

BR
Kenny
 
So far i bought several ivory cues from USA...
No problems at all...
But you never know...
My opinion is: if the buyer is ready to take a risk then seller should ship the cue.Also there is sellers which dont want to ship the cues at all , happened to me...but there is always way to avoid this.You can tell the seller to ship the cue in the states to another person who is ready to ship the ivory parted cue...I did this once.
So with big desire to get some great cue always will be way to manipulate...
 
I have always shipped using the USPS. Express mail... How ever I would not ship Ivory outside the US lower 48 states. The buyer can assume all the risk they want. But it doesnt cover the risk you will take from customs to ship Ivory outside the US. ITS NOT WORTH IT TO SELL A CUE!! Take a look at what the risk are before you consider doing this.
 
Same for shipping cues to the US from over seas. I wouldn't do it. US Customs might take it!!!
 
Doug makes any extremely valid point. Even if the buyer accepts full responsibility for the shipping (and possible confiscation) of the cue, he, as the seller, is the one breaking the law in the US by trying to illegally transport ivory out of the US. With the various laws all over the world, most countries will hold the seller responsible, as he/she is the one who broke the law. And in the US, lack of knowledge of a law is not excuse if you break it. This is why Schon doesn't sell cues in any country other than the US.

Chris
 
I think that the buyer has an equal amount of issues if he or she is importing ivory. Not just the shipper.

--Jeff
 
If the ivory has been imported through official channels in the first place by the cuemaker, why is there not some some sort of certificate coming with the cue to certify that the ivory used to build the cue was purchased and imported legally. Once the cue is built, the ivory is used, who gives a flying one at that stage where it goes.

As an aside, I have bought and sold and imported and exported a lot of cues in and out of the US at this stage, and never once had a problem. I think the risk is minimal. Only once I dealt with someone who was not prepared to send a Searing out of the States, so I had it shipped to my buddy in Ct instead and he shipped it on no worries.

I always believe it should be the buyer, not the seller who accepts any risk.
 
It is up to the country to accept.
go out from US is no problem:wink:
into US is No Good!!:D
In addition, the real intention and stated reason theory,,,:sorry:
Ability of individual human judgment, condition of thier day, freaky,,,:boring2:
into US...the cue made before 1975 are no problem. but must need a certificate document.
So, Bad thing is not good!!:grin-square:
into Japn,,,Bad luck happens to some bad luck people.
go out from Japan is no problem so far:confused:

sorry for my bad english;)
 
fishytaddy said:
It is up to the country to accept.
go out from US is no problem:wink:
into US is No Good!!:D
In addition, the real intention and stated reason theory,,,:sorry:
Ability of individual human judgment, condition of thier day, freaky,,,:boring2:
into US...the cue made before 1975 are no problem. but must need a certificate document.
So, Bad thing is not good!!:grin-square:
into Japn,,,Bad luck happens to some bad luck people.
go out from Japan is no problem so far:confused:

sorry for my bad english;)
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Good post, all the way from rural Japan
 
Grantstew said:
If the ivory has been imported through official channels in the first place by the cuemaker, why is there not some some sort of certificate coming with the cue to certify that the ivory used to build the cue was purchased and imported legally. Once the cue is built, the ivory is used, who gives a flying one at that stage where it goes.

As an aside, I have bought and sold and imported and exported a lot of cues in and out of the US at this stage, and never once had a problem. I think the risk is minimal. Only once I dealt with someone who was not prepared to send a Searing out of the States, so I had it shipped to my buddy in Ct instead and he shipped it on no worries.

I always believe it should be the buyer, not the seller who accepts any risk.
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Grant

You dont get a certificate when you buy Ivory. You have to trust the person you buy it from it is legal! That is why I only buy from one person. The buyer can assume all risk. But the government goes after the person shipping it out of the states.
 
At one time you were just risking losing the cue. Fish and Game confiscated a few cues from various cuemakers through the years. Then they decided to start taking the cues and handing out fines, so that pretty much ended people being willing to take the risk.
 
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