Simple Safe???

[GStrong]

Hello there...

This shot has been coming up frequently in the last couple weeks (usually from a long thin over-cut on the 9) and I just want to to know if there is a text-book or standard safe that you all play. I know most will say, "just bank it" but it's not working for me. Anyway... here is the shot on the money... Any advice will be appreciated!

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[Blackjack]

You can double kiss it head on, it will leave the 9 there and spit the cue ball directly back up table.

 

[RunArak]

Double kissing that shot is my favorite way to play it too.. Easier the closer the OB is the the CB.

 

[TX Poolnut]

If I'm playing safe, this is the safe I play. Try to freeze the cue to the head rail and send the OB down to the center diamond opposite side of the table. Let the opponent try the bank and hopefully sell the farm.

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[TX Poolnut]

I like the double kiss, but only when the OB is frozen to the rail or very, very close to frozen.

 

[Black-Balled]

here's one- it is a guaranteed sellout if you hit it bad tho
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But, you already knew this, as realized in you "probably tell me to bank it" comment...this is what I'd do, trying to hit it at a speed to leave the 9 between A-B, given a miss
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IMO, you can't go around looking for a safe

 

[Black-Balled]

I like the double kiss, but only when the OB is frozen to the rail or very, very close to frozen.

I like it when my opponent does it on a frozen OB too. FOUL! Really makes it easier for me...

 

[Cane]

I know you said not to say this, but I do like the bank on this ball. Of course, I bank more balls a day than most people cut in, so...

Banking aside, I like the double kissback safety OR this, assuming your opponent can't bank well.

Another you might consider, but you have to be able to accurately MISS a bank to play this one, and have a good grip on speed control is this. Bank the 9 ball 2 rails on the short side to the center of the top cushion, the closer you can get it, the better, and leave the Cue Ball down table so you're opponent has a tougher bank than he left you. If you don't have good speed control, this can be dangerous, but if you can control the speed of the CB and 9B, it can be a very good safety.

Later,
Bob

 

[Cane]

If I'm playing safe, this is the safe I play. Try to freeze the cue to the head rail and send the OB down to the center diamond opposite side of the table. Let the opponent try the bank and hopefully sell the farm.

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TX, I like your style! LOL I guess I should have waited a few minutes. Exactly the safety I described. I like that better than some other options.

Later,
Bob

 

[Rodney]

I like the bank, then the double kiss(when the nine is real close, or frozen to the rail). I think any other shot is too risky. It's real easy to give your opponent an easy shot when trying to play safe here. When i'm faced with a tough shot, or an even tougher safe, i will go for the shot every time.

I may miss the bank, but it is better than playing a bad safe, and leaving your opponent an easy shot.

Rodney

 

[GStrong]

I know you said not to say this, but I do like the bank on this ball. Of course, I bank more balls a day than most people cut in, so...

Later,
Bob

So, is that a #2 or #3???

We talked on the phone about 6 months ago... still using the system & making improvements! Thanks.

 

[Cane]

Gerry, It's a 2 for the pocket, 3 for the safety!

Later,
Bob

 

[sjm]

I'm banking this every time, but with an eye toward defense. If I mind my speed correctly and favor the short side rather than the long side of the bank, it's amazing how often I'll leave something like what is shown below if I miss it, and I'll make it often enough. Even "A" players miss the shot below pretty often.

 

[TATE]

I'm banking this every time, but with an eye toward defense. If I mind my speed correctly and favor the short side rather than the long side of the bank, it's amazing how often I'll leave something like what is shown below if I miss it, and I'll make it often enough. Even "A" players miss the shot below pretty often.

This one is a no-brainer because the 9 is off the rail - bank it straight back like SJM suggests and leave a long shot if you miss. If you're afraid of taking the shot, it's worth your time to practice the bank until you can make it. If you can make this bank consistently, it will put a lot of pressure on your opponent's safety game.

If the 9 were off the rail a few more inches, I would kick it safe, hitting the rail behind it with english and stopping the cue ball. I hit this like a kill shot with a little swerve. I would try to make it in the side pocket, with speed so that if I miss, I leave it in the middle of the opposite rail.

A much more difficult shot is if the nine is very close to the rail. I have a shot for that but you would have to play me to see it.

Chris

 

[Bob Jewett]

... if there is a text-book or standard safe that you all play. I know most will say, "just bank it" but it's not working for me. ...

"Bank it" tends not to work on tables with small pockets.

One text book safe I like is to hit about half the ball and leave the two balls frozen to opposite ends of the headstring. You mostly want the two balls to travel about the same distance from the end rail so any bank is off-angle.

 

[12squared]

Another affective safe is to try to bank the 9 ball 3 rails in the side pocket with speed to leave the 9 ball on the same rail it started and the cueball traveling 3 rails back to where it started (short, long, long rails). This can also be played as a 4 rail bank in the corner. Although you would tend to leave the 9 in a makeable position doing this, you would at least leave your opponent distance (cue ball ends up on the same rail it began.

This takes practice but after just a few minutes, you should be able to get the cue ball where you want it - to me, that's the most important part of the shot...guaranteed distance where ever the 9 ends up.

I do like double kissing better than above but you can't sh$t in the 9 if you don't try .

Dave

 

[sjm]

"Bank it" tends not to work on tables with small pockets.

One text book safe I like is to hit about half the ball and leave the two balls frozen to opposite ends of the headstring. You mostly want the two balls to travel about the same distance from the end rail so any bank is off-angle.

With anything but perfect speed, this safe will usually concede a two way bank in either the side or the corner.

If you leave the bank in the corner, the cue ball can be played to the other end of the table as the bank is attempted and the right speed will usually leave opponent supertough oif you miss. Leave the bank in the side and the cue ball can be brought to the top rail as the bank is attempted, leaving a long shot into the corner bridiging off the rail if the speed is played even passably.

This safe is extremely passive, and won't beat any decent player very often. Safeties that concede two way shots are to be avoided.

Just one man's opinion.

 

[GStrong]

Thanks for everyones advice. I am gonna work on all of your suggestions. One thing no one mentioned, and was kind of my initial idea, was to just thin the nine on the left side, as thin as possible and bring the cue ball back to the end where it's at, kind of like this:


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I am at work at the firestation, otherwise I would just try it out right now. Anyway... Thanks again. I think I probably need to work on banking, and or banking and missing good.

 

[TATE]

Thanks for everyones advice. I am gonna work on all of your suggestions. One thing no one mentioned, and was kind of my initial idea, was to just thin the nine on the left side, as thin as possible and bring the cue ball back to the end where it's at, kind of like this:


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I am at work at the firestation, otherwise I would just try it out right now. Anyway... Thanks again. I think I probably need to work on banking, and or banking and missing good.

It's worth to practice that sort of thin hit safe, but in this case it's not wise to try against an "A" player. Thinning the ball is easier if you're closer, but too often just a hair of drift means a sure sell out. The players I play cut the ball so well full length of the table that it's almost a guaranteed loss if you give them any cut shot at all. In fact, if I got the original shot you set up with the cue ball over with just a few more inches of angle, I would be cutting it in.

Chris

 

[Barbara]

Hello there...

This shot has been coming up frequently in the last couple weeks (usually from a long thin over-cut on the 9) and I just want to to know if there is a text-book or standard safe that you all play. I know most will say, "just bank it" but it's not working for me. Anyway... here is the shot on the money... Any advice will be appreciated!

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You know, I had a feeling this was the shot you were going to diagram. The reason being, the NYC girls have this safety down pat. They work on it in droves and they can do it on both sides of the 9 and still leave you screwed. When I try to do it, I leave them with a shot.

I think sjm taught them this safety.

What they do is so totally thin either side of the 9-ball. Don't ask them how, they just do it. And it moves the 9 about 2-3 inches and the cue ball back at the opposite rail at about a complete opposite of the 9.

I'm going to learn this safety if it kills me!

Barbara