I'm not getting it. Is this a joke?
Karl Marx????
Russ
Karl Marx????
Russ
Sleeping in your car, a warning
- Thread starter jay helfert
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Russ Chewning said:
They have the same hair style! Two brothers from a different mother.
I'm very happy to hear you're OK, Jay. That would've scared the crap outta me! I've never had any dealings with handguns, my wife is the expert on that stuff. I'm not even sure I'd like one at home for defense.
Here's a little story for you about the only time I've been worried at home, and this was back in England. When I got together with my ex-wife, she was still married at the time so obviously her husband was none too pleased with me. Well, he was friendly with several notorious "hard cases" from a family in the next town to ours. For 3 or 4 nights we spotted cars hanging around outside our house just watching us. I ended up with 2 cricket bats & several golf clubs positioned strategically around the house just in case they tried to get in. I also was told their plan was to hold me down & shove a shotgun in my mouth then pull the trigger. The gun was supposed to be empty, just to scare me. I also heard that the husband had offered someone money to put me in a body bag.
None of those things was ever done, thank God, but it was an unnerving experience. My biggest regret about it all? Getting involved with that bloody woman! From late '94 to early 2000 she made my life hell! I guess that was my punishment!
Here's a little story for you about the only time I've been worried at home, and this was back in England. When I got together with my ex-wife, she was still married at the time so obviously her husband was none too pleased with me. Well, he was friendly with several notorious "hard cases" from a family in the next town to ours. For 3 or 4 nights we spotted cars hanging around outside our house just watching us. I ended up with 2 cricket bats & several golf clubs positioned strategically around the house just in case they tried to get in. I also was told their plan was to hold me down & shove a shotgun in my mouth then pull the trigger. The gun was supposed to be empty, just to scare me. I also heard that the husband had offered someone money to put me in a body bag.
None of those things was ever done, thank God, but it was an unnerving experience. My biggest regret about it all? Getting involved with that bloody woman! From late '94 to early 2000 she made my life hell! I guess that was my punishment!
Napoleon had the same problem!!!!!!!!
jay helfert said:
That's the way the law used to read about 20 years ago, however I believe that it has changed, and things are more complicated. If you are anywhere around the state capitol, and you are caught with a gun and ammunition within easy reach of one another, you are in deep trouble.
I used to have a problem with driving and drowsiness myself. I was never comfortable dozing in more public areas, lighted or not, since they tend to attract roving bunches similar to the group you encountered. My preferred spots were in nice, quiet residential neighborhoods (preferably with hills) and I would park facing uphill. The grade of the roadway, combined with reclined seat, made for a very comfortable nap, with no stiff neck afterward. A good jacket or blanket is a must - a car can cool off fast on a chilly night. Having the seat reclined also makes you much less conspicuous—to the "good" guys and bad guys.
Ken
Food for thought - a sword is defined by the California Penal Code as a non-concealable weapon, as are firearms over a certain length.
First off, I am glad you are OK. The whole "should have shown the gun" idea is a generally bad idea when out numbered. While odds are the three of the didn't each have a gun- if they did, or even two of them, you're in more trouble. The fact that your truck 'runs cold' is what I'm looking at. Getting out of there was a good idea- your truck stalling is not cool. You might want to look into getting it fixed, or even replaced. Its a better idea IMO then 'hey I'm going to start carrying two .38s on me.' Another alternative- don't travel alone! Find some young strappin' 21 yr old college football player to ride with you!
Glad to hear you are OK.
Glad to hear you are OK.
Russ Chewning said:
So you'd pray for the chance to end someone's life. Either you're all talk, or you're a despicable excuse for human being. But I do give you the benefit of the doubt, Russ, you certainly seem like you're just all talk.
-Andrew
PS Jay, I'm very glad you were able to drive away without the situation escalating to violence (on their part or yours). That's by far the best possible outcome of that terrible situation. Did you call the cops as you drove off? I definitely would have.
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Dont play with guns
An excerpt from The GosPool According to the Beard:
"I was in an all-black poolroom in Detroit, at Courtland and Lynwood St., with, James "Youngblood" Brown. He had just finished telling me how well regarded he was in the place, when somebody called Cadillac Willy came in and demanded the money James owed him. When James gave alibi after alibi about being broke, Willy pulled a gun and started shooting. I dove under a pool table. James grabbed the biggest guy he could find and hoisted him up as a human shield to hide behind while Willy was trying to shoot him. James ended the assault by throwing his (and my) bankroll in the air (about 640$). People diving for the money interupted the attack and we were able to get out alive."
The point of the story pertinent to this thread, is when James grabbed the guy to use as a shield, that guy had a gun too, and it fell out of his pocket when James lifted him up. The gun landed right in front of me while I was under the table. Since I couldn't really see what was happening from my position, I thought it was Cadillac Willy's gun, and for a brief moment I considered picking it up and throwing down on the place. Luckily I thought better of it, because Willy was right in front of me and would probably have shot me if he saw me go for the gun.
The Beard
An excerpt from The GosPool According to the Beard:
"I was in an all-black poolroom in Detroit, at Courtland and Lynwood St., with, James "Youngblood" Brown. He had just finished telling me how well regarded he was in the place, when somebody called Cadillac Willy came in and demanded the money James owed him. When James gave alibi after alibi about being broke, Willy pulled a gun and started shooting. I dove under a pool table. James grabbed the biggest guy he could find and hoisted him up as a human shield to hide behind while Willy was trying to shoot him. James ended the assault by throwing his (and my) bankroll in the air (about 640$). People diving for the money interupted the attack and we were able to get out alive."
The point of the story pertinent to this thread, is when James grabbed the guy to use as a shield, that guy had a gun too, and it fell out of his pocket when James lifted him up. The gun landed right in front of me while I was under the table. Since I couldn't really see what was happening from my position, I thought it was Cadillac Willy's gun, and for a brief moment I considered picking it up and throwing down on the place. Luckily I thought better of it, because Willy was right in front of me and would probably have shot me if he saw me go for the gun.
The Beard
I would like to weigh in on the side of armed self-defense. While no one in their right mind ever wants to have to use a firearm for self-defense, we've got to recognize the nature of the times we live in. All too often, even giving up the money will not save your life, as many of the young thugs will shoot you anyway to avoid leaving a witness or, tragically, just for the thrill of it.
If you travel the roads and you carry significant amounts of cash, you should be prepared to defend your life by any means necessary. As for me, if it comes down to the nitty gritty and flight is no longer an option, I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
If you travel the roads and you carry significant amounts of cash, you should be prepared to defend your life by any means necessary. As for me, if it comes down to the nitty gritty and flight is no longer an option, I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
manwon said:
I was thinking along the same lines here. If it was a .22 pistol then it had the small rounds and would probably went elsewhere on the first shot through the tempered glass window. Take it up a notch sir. I carrry a .40 HK with me everywhere I go. One mag has Black Talon the other hyda-shocks.
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PROG8R said:
Do you mean Hydra-shocks? Good round. I've used the 124 gr. +P in 9mm for a number of years. Thankfully, they've only been fired at the range!
Russ Chewning said:
I dont think you should show them your hand (weapon), in that situation if a weapon is garnished, without having any knowledge of your true intent or their's (depends on who I am in this senario) I would have to be the first to pull the hammer. You being ex-military (not sure what MOS), I know for a fact that I became so Desensitized to it that killing someone would just be like hitting a 00Z at 300 yards. Except for the mess in this case because it would have been point blank.
here you cant buy them anymore (that I know of), but at some gun shows you can come across them still. I bought my box in Green Bay 7 years ago and never fired one yet. How long do they stay effective I wonder?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon
Tap, tap, tap...VIProfessor said:
The Proff brings something to the table that I don't think people "get" these days. We're not usually dealing with rational humans in these situations. We're talking about rationalizing with tweekers and gang types that frankly have no conscience, and could calmly kill you for looking at them wrong (don't believe me, try staring at a gang type at a stop light some time...), and then sit down and eat lunch!
I had a lady friend that tended bar in a dark, deserted area in Phoenix, and I asked her if she wasn't afraid locking up. She smiled and said "I've got nothing to worry about, because this isn't my bar. If someone breaks in here and wants the cash register, I'll help them carry it out"! Four months after that conversation, she was killed in a robbery. There was no sign of a struggle and the investigation found that she had probably been killed as an "after thought" as the robber was leaving the bar with the money.
I had another friend in high school that had been partying in the desert one night and had some low lifes stop by to join the fun. They beat and robbed him, but the worst part is that they also hurt his girlfriend very badly. Maybe there's nothing he could have done with a gun either, but trust me, he'll spend the rest of his life wondering if there wasn't something else he could have done. Maybe got them both killed? I don't know, but maybe it was preferable to the life he lives now...
Guns are a personal matter, and I'm not trying to convince any non-gun types that they need to start carrying. Nobody's going to convince me to stop, either. I've carried for 30+ years and never had to pull a trigger. When it comes to protecting my family, though, I'd never have to think twice...
Glad to hear you're OK, Jay!
Stay safe,
Steve
Hunter said:
Yeah Steve,
A lot of people I have met have this pie-in-the-sky mentality when it comes to guns. They think that banning all guns will solve the problem. As the well known saying goes: If we criminalize guns, then only criminals will have guns. Thus making the rest of us automatic targets.
And a note to the person that thinks I am screwed up because I'd have no problem killing a person, look at it from my perspective. I personally don't believe there is some being up there with a "master plan". So, within that world view, I have no problem executing violent persons. The quicker the better. None of this nansy pansy 20 appeals. If we could execute those condemned to the death penalty within a month, that would be the best thing for society as a whole. We get rid if some worthless scum, and don't have to pay for them to sit in a prison cell for 20 years first.
Like I said, absent of a "Great Master Plan".. Some people just need killin'. Our society seems to be getting further and further away from this core concept, and as a result, we have more crime.
Congrats, society.. You earned it..
Russ