So wtf is wrong with a pocket when this happens?
- Thread starter CreeDo
- Start date
A pocket iron is the metal thingie at the back of the pocket. Often it screws to the adjoining rail sections. On leather pockets, the leather covers the iron.
Thanks. I was curious enough to Google it, and found these pics. Looks like they're for leather drop pockets - are they used in newer plastic-liner pockets too?
pj
chgo
Yes, that is correct.
Well... basically any 'corner' has a pocket iron I suppose, whether its what the pockets literally hangs off of or the full metal corner. Its more common to see the full wrapped metal corner like a modern (ish) GC.
IMO, they really have no impact on whether or not a pocket rejects a ball though unless they corner itself if actually seperating to the point the rail angles are being affected.
Guess I shouldn't be shocked, this is actually more common than I was expecting... I see lots of options, I'll try photographing some of the pockets and seeing if I can reproduce it.
Let's just say this is a place with missing ceiling tiles and they're perfectly happy to let icy cold AC refrigerant drip from 12 feet above you and spatter your back midstroke. So I'm sure they'll get RIGHT ON IT when I tell them about their faulty pockets.
----------------------
Re: cuetable - the actual diagramming page always worked and continues to work, though some of you may need to uninstall shockwave and then reinstall the latest version. You can still draw diagrams at http://pool.bz/P/
Then to share them you have two options: click the wrench at the bottom right to get all the tools showing, then click the URL button near the bottom right to get a link you can paste into your post. But then the diagram doesn't show up, people have to visit pool.bz to see it.
Alternately (and this is better, though it's more work), click the camera button a bit to the right of the side pocket. This copies the diagram your computer's 'clipboard'. Then open up paint or photoshop or some similar image program, make a new blank document, paste the diagram image and save it.
You can then get it in your forum post by uploading it. I think you can upload straight to AZB, but out of habit I like using imgur. It's a super easy site for uploading and sharing images ...just three or four clicks and you're done and it will provide an link that you can copy & paste straight into your AZB post. Then the table will show up in your post.
I've been talking to one of the tech guys to see if we can get the [wei] links working again, but in the meantime, you can still share diagrams, so just send me a message if you need more detail.
Let's just say this is a place with missing ceiling tiles and they're perfectly happy to let icy cold AC refrigerant drip from 12 feet above you and spatter your back midstroke. So I'm sure they'll get RIGHT ON IT when I tell them about their faulty pockets.
----------------------
Re: cuetable - the actual diagramming page always worked and continues to work, though some of you may need to uninstall shockwave and then reinstall the latest version. You can still draw diagrams at http://pool.bz/P/
Then to share them you have two options: click the wrench at the bottom right to get all the tools showing, then click the URL button near the bottom right to get a link you can paste into your post. But then the diagram doesn't show up, people have to visit pool.bz to see it.
Alternately (and this is better, though it's more work), click the camera button a bit to the right of the side pocket. This copies the diagram your computer's 'clipboard'. Then open up paint or photoshop or some similar image program, make a new blank document, paste the diagram image and save it.
You can then get it in your forum post by uploading it. I think you can upload straight to AZB, but out of habit I like using imgur. It's a super easy site for uploading and sharing images ...just three or four clicks and you're done and it will provide an link that you can copy & paste straight into your AZB post. Then the table will show up in your post.
I've been talking to one of the tech guys to see if we can get the [wei] links working again, but in the meantime, you can still share diagrams, so just send me a message if you need more detail.
Note the drawing doesn't show the whole story. I pound the ball down the rail, not at warp speed, just what I'd call 'very firm'. No special english, just center ball to get the CB off the rail.
The ball hits the back of the pocket, dead nuts perfect, doesn't hit a rail on the way in, and hops straight up in the air maybe 4 inches, bounces forward and back between the points a few times, then gets spat out and rolls roughly back towards me.
What specifically is wrong with a pocket that can cause this to happen? I've never seen this at any other pool hall except the dump where they hold my league, where it's happened a half dozen times.
What happens on GC rails, is the ends of the rails inside the pocket at the 13 degree down angle get so beat at the ends, that the down angle becomes almost straight up and down, so when a ball comes in contact with the facing it trys to climb up the facing
Cheers Glen, this completely makes sense. I can visualize the pockets in my head now and I am pretty sure that where the ball drops off the cliff... it's got a nice little slope. So if it hits the back of the pocket firmly it rebounds into basically a ramp.
So they just need to fix the ramp, plus the cloth that's worn and has rips, plus relevel the ones that got reclothed recently because apparently they didn't bother the first time... and then relevel everything else, replace the dead cushions, and replace the shattered rickety 1/4" thick wooden racks with real racks.
Then I'll be good to go except for the smoke, noise level, dripping ceiling, dead ATM, and the fact that every other week my credit card number gets ripped off there.
Who's ready for Fast Eddies?
So they just need to fix the ramp, plus the cloth that's worn and has rips, plus relevel the ones that got reclothed recently because apparently they didn't bother the first time... and then relevel everything else, replace the dead cushions, and replace the shattered rickety 1/4" thick wooden racks with real racks.
Then I'll be good to go except for the smoke, noise level, dripping ceiling, dead ATM, and the fact that every other week my credit card number gets ripped off there.
Who's ready for Fast Eddies?
Sweet!
But...I had an antique table that had pocket cuts that werent 90deg. spit balls out a lot, and I always hit the center of the hole NOT!
But I still blame the pussy. The root of all evils...damn pussy, why must you?
Balls rejecting out of the back of the pocket is a whole different thing:grin:
What happens on GC rails, is the ends of the rails inside the pocket at the 13 degree down angle get so beat at the ends, that the down angle becomes almost straight up and down, so when a ball comes in contact with the facing it trys to climb up the facing
Hi Glen,
Didn't think I was crazy. Years of poor maintenance on our GC III's caused the problems at Classic. These were the tables I spoke with you about a few years ago. You asked for a fixed amount of money per table for the eight tables. The owner bought one Diamond Pro/Am and light instead. Oh well. He's out of business.
Lyn
Sometimes, room owners seem to forget, the number one draw to a pool room IS the pool tables, everything else is secondary
Isn't that the truth.
Sometimes, room owners seem to forget, the number one draw to a pool room IS the pool tables, everything else is secondary
TATE,
Every year in late April or early May, Ernesto and Oscar do the ten GC's at the LV Cue Club. Those tables are always a joy to play on. Strange as it may seem, I'm still waiting to play on a table "massaged" by RKC. Sure it will be every bit as great. Nice to know there are table mechanics out there that actually care about the playing experience!
Lyn
I've only played on a few by King Cobra and a couple by a guy who was trained by him.
King Cobra's tables are perfect. The couple I've played on use the Diamond pro cut. They drop very well.
The only difference I've noticed is the RKC pockets are more prone to leaving a missed ball hanging, where Ernesto's spit a missed shot out and rarely leave a hanger. That's probably because the tables I played on had deeper shelves. RKC's tables I've played on have also very consistent rail action. He's good at making everything level and consistent. Once you adjust, there are no surprises. It's pretty amazing how one guy can set up a table and it's absolute junk, and another guy can set up the same table and it's a dream.
Anybody can test any pocket by setting up the shot below. Fire it in hard! On my table, all 4 corners will accept a ball at near break speed form either direction.
Attachments
Last edited:
Pocket angles that are cut parallel to each other, meaning the throat of the pocket is the same width as the mouth are actually just smaller targets with bigger hallways, meaning once a ball makes it past the points it's gone, no chance to rattle out. Ernesto and I do different kinds of work:grin:
:rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
I used to love to play my "Earl Strickland" and slam the last shot like you described on a bar-box. It would almost always do exactly what you described. My 8-ball champion bar league friend would always chastise me for doing it, telling me you can't "spank" the 7's. ( ok,.... :wink: )
If that is what I think it is,..... the spin on the ball is what shoots it up in the air and then pops it back out.
I still shot my last that way despite that ,... we're friends!
Last edited: