Sometimes I just don't get pool players

Did I just end up with two jerks in a row, or am I just kidding myself thinking that two guys can play cheap sets that they want to win and not be jerks about it if they don't?

Definitely two jerks in a row.
The first guy sounds like an idiot (maybe he was drunk), and the second guy sounds like a crybaby.

Think back through your last 20 or so matches and how many of those went sour.
I would just forget about it and keep practicing.
Maybe you're getting too good for these guys...:smile:
 
Why do non-gamblers post in gambling threads?

No sweat Mike. Sounds like they thought you were a dog and showed them the clutch. Take the cheese with pride and patronize them with a quick, "Yeah, I got lucky. You should have beaten me."
 
I like the idea of having the player who loses move the coin. I might have to try that one. That is kind of like the second guy I mentioned making me shoot an easy 9 after I had given him an easy one. He made me shoot and then said that he was taught that the game was not over until the 9-ball was made and he always made his opponent shoot it. I thanked him for explaining it to me and we both shot all of our 9s after that.

Lenny, I may very well take you up on that. Skip and Jan's is a bit of a hike for me but not that far. I think I could probably learn something by playing you too. Just none of that silly game with only one pocket for each of us. I have watched you play that one.

Ray, I appreciate the thoughts. I do try to stay low-key and the idea that I would be willing to risk screwing my reputation (even locally) to maybe win a cheap set against one of these guys was mind boggling.

As for having to put something on the match to make me concentrate, I wish I could bear down for free. I just always had a hard time with it. It always seems like more of a chance to socialize if nothing is on the match.

Mike
Sounds good Mike, no carboard and marbles on the small track and no one pocket, just big table 8 and 9 ball would be fun. Are you closer to Kolby's?
 
Why do non-gamblers post in gambling threads?

No sweat Mike. Sounds like they thought you were a dog and showed them the clutch. Take the cheese with pride and patronize them with a quick, "Yeah, I got lucky. You should have beaten me."

Same reason people who hate aiming threads post in them. Same reason people who don't (and haven't) played APA post in them. Same reason people who don't like JB post in his threads... It's a forum. We all can read about different aspects of the world around this game we all love. Sometimes we might have an opinion. That's how a forum works.'

Since I don't really gamble, I guess is shouldn't state my opinion. But I will. :grin: It's situations like this that make gambling far less attractive to me. (If I had enough extra cash to be gambling with.) As others have said, I love playing the game too much to add extra drama to it. Especially with people you thought you "knew", even casually...

It's a shame you had to have this happen.
 
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Same reason people who hate aiming threads post in them. Same reason people who don't (and haven't) played APA post in them. Same reason people who don't like JB post in his threads... It's a forum. We all can read about different aspects of the world around this game we all love. Sometimes we might have an opinion. That's how a forum works.'

Since I don't really gamble, I guess is shouldn't state my opinion. But I will. :grin: It's situations like this that make gambling far less attractive to me. (If I had enough extra cash to be gambling with.) As others have said, I love playing the game too much to add extra drama to it. Especially with people you thought you "knew", even casually...

It's a shame you had to have this happen.

I'm glad you replied to this. I was ready to call somebody out. How ridiculous is that statement that somebody who does not gamble should not post in a thread about pool!

Maybe the person who is offended should keep the heck off the Main Forum and stay in the Action Forum and talk about gambling in baseball, basketball, golf, football, and lawn mower races all day long. I mean, God forbid, there is any mention of pool over there anymore. What a joke!
 
So, played cheap sets with a "pool buddy" a couple of weeks ago. Had a problem that night when my "buddy" accused me of moving the coin while he was in the bathroom. I was already up a set and he claimed I moved the coin from 6-5 him to 6-6 in a race to 7. I have known this guy for years and never had an issue like this any other time that we have gambled.

I know that I didn't move the coin. To be honest, there had been a time early in the match when I won a game and when I moved the coin I thought I had one game less than the coin said. I wrote it off to just bearing down and not paying attention to the score. (something that I am trying to do). But he wasn't claiming it was a mid match thing. He was claiming he checked the score and it was 6-5 when he walked into the bathroom and I had moved it to 6-6 while racking (he won the last game and moved his coin).

I was pretty pissed off and told him that I had never pulled that move on him or any other player in my life and surely wasn't going to risk my reputation for a chance to win a cheap set. I unscrewed and told him if he wanted to win that bad then he won and I was done.

So, that was a couple weeks ago. Havn't talked to the guy since. One of his buddies was sweating our match that night and he told me later that the guy was just not very trusting and to just blow it off.

Ended up playing cheap sets with the buddy last night. He clarified before we played that he didn't think he and I had any issues just because the first guy was being a jerk. I agreed with him that I didn't think we had any issue.

So he wins the first set hill-hill. I win the second set 7-2 and we agree to play one last set for almost twice the original bet. He goes up 3-1 and then I get into a little groove and take a 6-4 lead. Now he starts the b*tching. He had been b*tching a little before but it really got bad at 6-4. I was lucky because balls were hitting both tits before going in the pocket (on a Valley table), etc. I just kind of laughed it off as no big deal. Then as he was racking he commented under his breath that if he was going to get beat, he wanted to get beat by good play instead of "shitty ass play".

I tightened up and dogged out balls in the next two racks for 6-6 and watched as he ran down the an off angle 9 that he jarred. He paid quickly and was out the door.

Now I am in a position that I am uncomfortable with. After these two episodes, I am really at a point where I don't want to gamble. I don't want to even hit balls at the moment.

I know that I am never going to be a world beater. I am an average player and since everyone in Arizona is rated, I like to play cheap sets with players of the same rating to see how we play. I have told people before that I want to play for a couple bucks so we have a reason to try, but not enough money that we end up hating each other.

Now the last two gambling sessions have gone really sour and they have left me not wanting to do it anymore.

Did I just end up with two jerks in a row, or am I just kidding myself thinking that two guys can play cheap sets that they want to win and not be jerks about it if they don't?

Hello Mike,
Good post first of all. I really do not think it is you at all!!! Let me get that point across first. The way you told the story is the way it went in my opinion, and I feel like it is not your fault for these guys being haters. As a matter of fact I have not seen people hate so much and call themselves pool players. I had a guy call Buddy Hall and tell him I gave him Buddy's number and I do not even know the guy! Now that is a real hater!

I like what Hu said in his post. Except for one thing, I would not quit going to that pool hall for these guys sake! You are a grown man, and so are these guys or suppose to be. It would be in their favor if they could say they ran you out of the pool hall for a long period of time. I would not play either of them again. And when you play someone else in that pool hall make sure they keep track of the happenings in the games and the match. Take care.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
I'm glad you replied to this. I was ready to call somebody out. How ridiculous is that statement that somebody who does not gamble should not post in a thread about pool!

Maybe the person who is offended should keep the heck off the Main Forum and stay in the Action Forum and talk about gambling in baseball, basketball, golf, football, and lawn mower races all day long. I mean, God forbid, there is any mention of pool over there anymore. What a joke!

Really? Who's offended? I think it's funny when people talk about things when they don't have a clue. Public forum means anyone can say whatever, right? So why would you be offended about what I say. I'll stay in the main forum because it annoys you.
 
Really? Who's offended? I think it's funny when people talk about things when they don't have a clue. Public forum means anyone can say whatever, right? So why would you be offended about what I say. I'll stay in the main forum because it annoys you.

Okay, Mr. 25-year-old! I have so much to learn from you and your years of experience. ;)

The more the merrier, I say! :smile:
 
Wait until until you hit your 60's and can't remember who moved what coin when no matter how hard you try. I try to keep a routine about moving it, but even then so, I still wonder if it's moving too fast or too slow at times. On the brighter side, I quit gambling some years back do to the 3 asshole rule. Meaning if you run into 3 assholes in a row then you're probably the asshole. I decided maybe I was setting the other guy off somehow and decided it wasn't worth it.
 
Really? Who's offended? I think it's funny when people talk about things when they don't have a clue. Public forum means anyone can say whatever, right? So why would you be offended about what I say. I'll stay in the main forum because it annoys you.

Which flies in the face of your earlier post, where you say those who don't gamble shouldn't post in gambling threads. (I can't figure out the multiple quote feature, and I'm on my phone anyway.)

Contradict yourself like this often?

Back to the topic, I agree with Lock, don't stop going to that room because of this. Then those guys actually have beaten you.
 
So, played cheap sets with a "pool buddy" a couple of weeks ago. Had a problem that night when my "buddy" accused me of moving the coin while he was in the bathroom. I was already up a set and he claimed I moved the coin from 6-5 him to 6-6 in a race to 7. I have known this guy for years and never had an issue like this any other time that we have gambled.

I know that I didn't move the coin. To be honest, there had been a time early in the match when I won a game and when I moved the coin I thought I had one game less than the coin said. I wrote it off to just bearing down and not paying attention to the score. (something that I am trying to do). But he wasn't claiming it was a mid match thing. He was claiming he checked the score and it was 6-5 when he walked into the bathroom and I had moved it to 6-6 while racking (he won the last game and moved his coin).

I was pretty pissed off and told him that I had never pulled that move on him or any other player in my life and surely wasn't going to risk my reputation for a chance to win a cheap set. I unscrewed and told him if he wanted to win that bad then he won and I was done.

So, that was a couple weeks ago. Havn't talked to the guy since. One of his buddies was sweating our match that night and he told me later that the guy was just not very trusting and to just blow it off.

Ended up playing cheap sets with the buddy last night. He clarified before we played that he didn't think he and I had any issues just because the first guy was being a jerk. I agreed with him that I didn't think we had any issue.

So he wins the first set hill-hill. I win the second set 7-2 and we agree to play one last set for almost twice the original bet. He goes up 3-1 and then I get into a little groove and take a 6-4 lead. Now he starts the b*tching. He had been b*tching a little before but it really got bad at 6-4. I was lucky because balls were hitting both tits before going in the pocket (on a Valley table), etc. I just kind of laughed it off as no big deal. Then as he was racking he commented under his breath that if he was going to get beat, he wanted to get beat by good play instead of "shitty ass play".

I tightened up and dogged out balls in the next two racks for 6-6 and watched as he ran down the an off angle 9 that he jarred. He paid quickly and was out the door.

Now I am in a position that I am uncomfortable with. After these two episodes, I am really at a point where I don't want to gamble. I don't want to even hit balls at the moment.

I know that I am never going to be a world beater. I am an average player and since everyone in Arizona is rated, I like to play cheap sets with players of the same rating to see how we play. I have told people before that I want to play for a couple bucks so we have a reason to try, but not enough money that we end up hating each other.

Now the last two gambling sessions have gone really sour and they have left me not wanting to do it anymore.

Did I just end up with two jerks in a row, or am I just kidding myself thinking that two guys can play cheap sets that they want to win and not be jerks about it if they don't?

First off, people make mistakes, you, me and the other guy. Sometimes, people see things in their mind and convince themselves that this delusion is real.

I have seen for myself how this can happen. I once witnessed TWO, HONEST good guys who were playing one another in a one pocket tournament (amateurs) and one accused the other of cheating. The accused didn't cheat. The accuser genuinely believed that the other player cheated. (ball count). It could have been explained although at the time, the accuser felt so violated, nothing that anyone could say could change his mind or appease his anger. I know both guys and they are honest. Sometimes one person makes a mistake in judgment. Sometimes the hand is quicker than the eye. Sometimes both people make mistakes.

Gambling even for measuring sticks is a tough balancing act. For most people, they want to win. They don't want to break even and they sure as hell don't want to lose. Sometimes one person's dollar value on the match doesn't equal another person's value on the match.

Gambling has done nothing for pool, except to cause injury, even for small stakes. People want to think that they don't mind losing a small amount of money but for some in pool, it is personal and they just can't take losing money. The injury to pride, the injury to a person's wallet, the injury to the loser's family, the injury to the loser's friends, is a down-hill slope unfortunately.

I have won more money than I have lost but not by a great margin. Still, winning money off of people has caused much angst. I have found that while people like to talk about how they are gamblers, the truth is most aren't good gamblers and if you win, you are a thief. If you lose, you are a loser. If you don't bet what the other guy wants, you are a nit. Yeah, injury all the way around.

I actually like playing people who can play well for the competition only, more so than actually winning someone's money. I wish more players were willing to give their all for competition's sake rather than the all mighty dollar. Still, I continue to gamble as a hobby, something to do to add another dimension to my pool game and if I am fortunate enough, to add a few dollars to my wallet.

I have to say that gambling has provided me with entertainment that I would never have gotten with just playing for competiton alone. I learned something and was entertained whether I won money or lost money.

I don't think the guys you were playing were jerks. Most people, imo, just can't take losing even small money, for one reason or another...............................
 
I like the idea of having the player who loses move the coin. I might have to try that one. That is kind of like the second guy I mentioned making me shoot an easy 9 after I had given him an easy one. He made me shoot and then said that he was taught that the game was not over until the 9-ball was made and he always made his opponent shoot it. I thanked him for explaining it to me and we both shot all of our 9s after that.

Lenny, I may very well take you up on that. Skip and Jan's is a bit of a hike for me but not that far. I think I could probably learn something by playing you too. Just none of that silly game with only one pocket for each of us. I have watched you play that one.

Ray, I appreciate the thoughts. I do try to stay low-key and the idea that I would be willing to risk screwing my reputation (even locally) to maybe win a cheap set against one of these guys was mind boggling.

As for having to put something on the match to make me concentrate, I wish I could bear down for free. I just always had a hard time with it. It always seems like more of a chance to socialize if nothing is on the match.

Mike

I think it is better for the person winning the game to always move the coin. And to be smart about it, ANNOUNCE the score the second after you move the coin, and make sure the other player is paying attention. Some people learn by hearing vs. sight and this would help. Plus, when they nod, it is very difficult for them to come back a little later and state something different that what happened.
 
Ping Pong

I like the idea of having the player who loses move the coin. I might have to try that one. That is kind of like the second guy I mentioned making me shoot an easy 9 after I had given him an easy one. He made me shoot and then said that he was taught that the game was not over until the 9-ball was made and he always made his opponent shoot it. I thanked him for explaining it to me and we both shot all of our 9s after that.

Lenny, I may very well take you up on that. Skip and Jan's is a bit of a hike for me but not that far. I think I could probably learn something by playing you too. Just none of that silly game with only one pocket for each of us. I have watched you play that one.

Ray, I appreciate the thoughts. I do try to stay low-key and the idea that I would be willing to risk screwing my reputation (even locally) to maybe win a cheap set against one of these guys was mind boggling.

As for having to put something on the match to make me concentrate, I wish I could bear down for free. I just always had a hard time with it. It always seems like more of a chance to socialize if nothing is on the match.

Mike

Ping pong/table tennis solved this problem YEARS ago, server, which in our sport is the breaker, always announces to this opponent the score BEFORE the serve. I Never had a problem, even as a child, and if there is a question then its addressed right away. We concentrate so much at times in our game its easy to forget. Ever shoot the wrong ball first?
 
bad action

Like you I am pretty much an average player in ability; I used to gamble small stakes all the time......As I did that, I would find out who I didn't want to play with, because of their tendencies to act badly for whatever reason; and many of these guys were easy to beat.......However, I would rather have a good time than take somebody's money who is gonna give you grief over it.....I always thought of it as "bad action" and would never play certain people. I remember watching some guy just run all over his opponent in a tournament (11-3) and refuse to gamble with the guy afterward (who was woofing at him)....I asked him why not, as it was obvious to me that he was a much better player, and he just said those 2 words....."bad action." If you have had a bad experience playing somebody, even if he's a "friend".....just don't play him for money anymore.....otherwise, you're just putting yourself in for more of the same.
 
I quit gambling in pool years ago because of that crap. I never have that problem on the golf course. :cool:
 
Some people just aren't any fun to gamble with. I have an internal list of guys I will gamble with and guys I won't. I will give anyone I haven't played before the benefit of the doubt, but if they act like a 5 year old they are on the won't list.

The last two times I have matched up have been absolutely pleasant. We talked back and forth occasionally. Playing banks, the guy thought he double kissed a bank that went, but it was hard to tell. He spotted the ball and said he thought it kissed so no ball. The second match I fouled while the guy was in the bathroom (I was still shooting). He came back from the bathroom and I handed him the cueball.

On the other hand, I played a guy about two months ago that was a total shitbag (found out later he's a pillhead). Race to 9 on a bar table for $10, just because I was waiting for someone to show up. At one point, he rattled a ball and it was barely hanging. I was talking to someone and he apparently thought I couldn't see, so he proceeded to him check the table and the ball fell and he continued shooting. I never said a word. He won the set and I paid him his $10. Best $10 I ever spent because it meant I don't have to deal with that stuff playing for decent money.

Just like the first two examples, there are good guys to play with. If someone acts a fool I just put them on the blacklist. I prefer to enjoy my time and have fun. Quibbling over whether someone cheated (when I won't cheat even if you don't see it) is not worth my leisure time. I play pool for fun and to test myself. If you're not fun to play you can pound sand.
 
I will gamble with people I know, but not with friends... that way if they get all butt hurt, I dont really care.
 
here is my recommendation: write down the score on a plain whilte sheet and both players will initial on the score sheet after each game. That solves the problem.

PS: If one player claims that his initials/signatures are forgered, you then call 911 and tell the operator that there will be some smoking Guns in the pool room .:thumbup::cool::thumbup:
 
Playing Cheap

My preferred method of playing 9/10-ball cheap is the good old king of the hill format. Every game, the winner keeps the table and loser pays. With 3-5 players in the rotation, I think it's way more fun than a ring game because you get to play a game properly and less confrontational than gambling one on one.

We've also been playing cheap games of scotch doubles one pocket lately. If you haven't done that before and can get 4 one pocket players together, I highly recommend it. It really forces you to play as a team since so many one pocket traps involve multiple shots to set up.
 
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