Stolen cue!!! Barry Stewart has my cue.

This is beyond the pale and redefines irony. It should go without saying that I would refuse to do business with anyone like Scott. After Dennis Walsh, who is a member here, and is beyond reproach, confirmed these circumstances, I can see only but one solution.

I would ask that the AZ mods, and even Mike H, set a public deadline in order for Gracio cues to resolve this issue. Should the deadline of seven (7) days come and go without resolution, Scott should be PERMANENTLY BANNED. There is no justifiable reason that AZ Billiards should enable Gracio cues to continue to do business here while potentially exposing forum members to additional fraud.
 
I have followed this pretty much from the beginning, and now almost a year has passed....it begs to wonder...DID Scott even send the cue to the wrong person in the first place...or was that a ruse? Is it possible he didn't even build a cue in the first place, and to cover for the lie, this thread got started......makes one wonder...I hope not, as Scott has had a very good status here, and has done some stellar work, but.....no communication after all this BS....reputations go south really quick... and calls into question everything.
Dave
 
It may be time to do a RED REP bombing run.... it lets others know about his 'customer service' and will turn his green rep to red.....he doesn't seem to care enough to respond, may as well red bomb him so others will be aware.....just a thought.
Dave
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Hope everything works out.

So far we have the Zinzola Case, (That one is called the Ben Dover, or the Ben Zola Case), The Stroud Case, (Strouded Forever Case), and now Scott Gracio, (Hence Forth known as the Fall From Gracio Case).

I would have expected more from Scott as he seems to be a good guy, the 2 others not so much.
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haha.. i like what you did there
 
poolmouse said:
Let's hope you have lots of insurance. Publicly slandering someone, posting their personal information, and using the title "Stolen cue!!! Barry Stewart has my cue." was probably not the smartest thing to do.

Not only have you potentially pi$$ed off the person who has that cue, and opened yourself to a possible lawsuit, maybe two (owner and recipient) but you also showed the world that you're careless with thier valuables.

No offense, but I'm so glad I don't do business with you.
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Well, as I understand it, it's only slanderous and therefore illegal if it's a lie.
So, it it?
 
Here is Scott's contact information (taken from his public profile here at AZ):

Biography
517 W. Shannon, Spokane, WA 99205
Location
Spokane,WA.

Occupation
Cue Builder
Signature

My web:
Graciocues.com
Phone: 509-953-1219
E-mail: gcuescustoms@aol.com
 
Graciocues said:
Sam will get twice the cue. Barry will get what he deserves.

Sam's cue:

East Indian Rose full splice with Titlist color veneers built my me. Stack wrap. Ivory inlay. It will be pretty. In the long run he'll be very happy. Barry better just run. LOL
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How's that cue coming along?
 
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Originally Posted by Graciocues
Sam will get twice the cue. Barry will get what he deserves.

Sam's cue:

East Indian Rose full splice with Titlist color veneers built my me. Stack wrap. Ivory inlay. It will be pretty. In the long run he'll be very happy. Barry better just run. LOL

blucollar said:
How's that cue coming along?
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That reminds me. Sam, did Gracio tell you how your new cue was progressing as time went on and then just quit talking? What stage was the "cue" supposedly in when he once again quit communicating with you?
 
No I don't know how is progressing I ask several times but no response.so I figured it must be one hell of a cue since he was keeping so secret. I didn't want to say anything because it would just be bragging..lol

A sense of humor is important....
 
I guarantee it was never even started....amazing how some people ruin their rep over one damn cue...just build it and send it to the guy for Christ sake. What's it gonna cost u in materials...maybe 2-300 bux. Man, I will send u the cash if it means this guy gets his cue. Amen to the old school cuemakers who used to actually deliver cues. To the OP, if you wanna deal with a class act builder may I suggest Chris Nitti or Trav over at Blackcreek, or you can email Tom Watters over at Recollectioncues.com, he is a great guy and has a wide range of cues price wise. He represents really solid cuemakers. Unless you are gonna go to this guys house or seek legal action I would just cut my losses with Gracio. Another maker who was building beauties and then this stupidity.
 
If I was going to have a cue built I would have Bob Hunter make one he is a good friend and make one hell of a cue. The funny thing is I didn't need another cue, was just having one made because I didn't have one from a Hoppe blank. I just think it's wrong for him to sale cues on AZB and maybe rip someone from here. If anybody does business with him now its at their risk I have done all I can do.

Always take the high road the view is so much better!
 
his cues just went down in value for this. not likely will he ever be able to charge a premium for them again based on his name.

he might have a week at most to get out of this spot with a good explanation and fast action.

other wise anyone buying a cue in the future would have to know its resale should be much less.
 
Well..."Boys and girls, moms & dads"...Those of you that know me (John Lavin OWNER Red Shoes Billiards Illinois) know that I do not BS, spin yarns or lie. If you take money from "someone" to build a cue....you should either send them the CUE or send them the MONEY back. I have known "Samdech" (Sam) for years....he is a stand up guy PERIOD! The funny thing is...if I was in the same place....I would send Sam the money AND the cue...and then hope Sam was not mad at me (if you get my drift). You see, I live 10 miles away from Sam (not 2000 miles like the cuemaker). I assure you the money does not mean a thing to him. You think your going to steal or cheat from "Sam"...OMG
 
All -

Here is something to think about.

When I got screwed over by Showman, I got tons of emails and PM of folks who did not come out publically about how they got screwed over by Showman.

You see, I thought I was the only one, but I later found out there were like a 100 folks that have been screwed over by him.

I got a Negative Feedback from MARSMAN or whatever his name is and he told me what a great guy Showman was. Well he didnt get screwed by him either. IF he had he would have saying the same things.

Whats my point?

My point is with Showman, Zinzola, and maybe Graco, it probably just isnt one person. It could be hundreds of folks. I salute and support the OP of this thread. My advice it keep bumping it every day.

If anyone is negative like MARSMAN, ignore them.

Ken
 
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Ken_4fun said:
All -

Here is something to think about.

When I got screwed over by Showman, I got tons of emails and PM of folks who did not come out publically about how they got screwed over by Showman.

You see, I thought I was the only one, but I later found out there were like a 100 folks that have been screwed over by him.

I got a Negative Feedback from MARSMAN or whatever his name is and he told me what a great guy Showman was. Well he didnt get screwed by him either. IF he had he would have saying the same things.

Whats my point?

My point is with Showman, Zinzola, and maybe Graco, it probably just isnt one person. It could be hundreds of folks. I salute and support the OP of this thread. My advice it keep bumping it every day.

If anyone is negative like MARSMAN, ignore them.

Ken
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Ken,

As you well know, the reason those people won't come out and support you or say anything publicly is because they think it will affect whether or not they'll get their cue that's on order with cuemaker X, Y, and Z (feel free to insert/imagine whatever big name makers here). And that's the sad truth about the custom cue industry.

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It's tough to navigate the myriad of custom cuemakers on AZB...it's rare to hear criticism until someone gets screwed; too many folks on here buy customs just to flip and are the last to complain about quality of build or poor customer service out of fear of losing on their investment. Reputation is very important...you would think a maker would bend over backwards to keep it, but some just can't. I'd appreciate a thread (sticky) on custom makers that screwed projects up and what was done (or not done) to make it right. But I'm not holding my breath. :rolleyes:

It's funny watching a guy order a custom from someone, put up a thread on the progress of the build, all the excitement and testimony of how it's the best hitting cue they've ever seen...then within a week it's up for sale. Then it's sold again three or four times within a year. All involved say it's a monster cue, but must be sold "to make room for another project". Maybe true, but makes me wonder if it's truly a great cue or a dud.
 
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