Straight Pool High Run

[tjmckinn]

Is Eufemia still alive or playing? I've never heard of him before so I'm just wondering. And, if he wasn't a tournament player, was he a gambler?

Also, does anyone know if Mosconi EVER gambled? If not, what were his reasonings? Just wondering...

Thanks,

Travis

 

[Joseph Cues]

Is Eufemia still alive or playing? I've never heard of him before so I'm just wondering. And, if he wasn't a tournament player, was he a gambler?

Also, does anyone know if Mosconi EVER gambled? If not, what were his reasonings? Just wondering...

Thanks,

Travis

Mosconi gambled. Even on 9-ball. I know one older gentleman who played with Willie on exhibitions. He has pics to prove it. He said, Willie gave one player the 5-ball one time and broke his back. The player was about Morro's speed he said. That's a huge spot.
Joey~Missed 600 balls one time and wondering if that is a record~

 

[mjantti]

Joey~Missed 600 balls one time and wondering if that is a record~

Could be

I was one time just about to run over 300 in 14.1, but missed after 5 balls. How unlucky can you get ?!

 

[fast larry]

Mosconi gambled. Even on 9-ball. I know one older gentleman who played with Willie on exhibitions. He has pics to prove it. He said, Willie gave one player the 5-ball one time and broke his back. The player was about Morro's speed he said. That's a huge spot.
Joey~Missed 600 balls one time and wondering if that is a record~

nO nO nO,
That is not even close to the board record, only missing 600 shots in a row. The board record belongs to wally in cincy for missing 943 in a row, a record that may stand for all time. Who da man, who da man:?????????????

 

[Joseph Cues]

Could be

I was one time just about to run over 300 in 14.1, but missed after 5 balls. How unlucky can you get ?!

MJ, you have my sympathy. Did the balls skid? Goddang plastic balls.
I have a video of Efren playing Dallas West. Efren is on his way to 150 and out. On his last break, he misses the pack. Jeeeeessssssssssssssshhhh Efren!
He makes the break ball but doesn't draw enough to clip the wing ball.
You could hear the crowd moan.
Btw, that story of Efren running 600 balls is a myth. I have no idea where it started. Now, I know Efren has ran 5 racks and a half of 15 ball rotation with ball in hand on the 1 ball at the Hard Times.
Joey~ Missed 5 spot shots in a row on a table with 10 inch pockets one time. Still the record for a non-drunk shooter at that dive bar. I believe the cueball was oversized and was slightly dinged up~

 

[fast larry]

MJ, you have my sympathy. Did the balls skid? Goddang plastic balls.
I have a video of Efren playing Dallas West. Efren is on his way to 150 and out. On his last break, he misses the pack. Jeeeeessssssssssssssshhhh Efren!
He makes the break ball but doesn't draw enough to clip the wing ball.
You could hear the crowd moan.
Btw, that story of Efren running 600 balls is a myth. I have no idea where it started. Now, I know Efren has ran 5 racks and a half of 15 ball rotation with ball in hand on the 1 ball at the Hard Times.

Here is how the myth works, every time the story gets told, it gets told different. Every teller embellished it some. Soon the minnow becomes a bass, then a blue marlin then a blue whale. You must always weight and discount most stories. Here is my method, divide by half, then divide by half again, I have found it to be most accurate with pool playing gamblers. No Neck Nelson won 20 grand last month at bozos lounge and grill. I go, oh that's nice, lets see 20 by half is 10, 10 by half is 5, 5K, not a bad score, I am impressed. Then I ask, now long did ne hang on to the 5 before he hocked his cue to buy food on. Usually that is less than a week, or until he finds a nice card game to get hustled on or until he buys a ticket to go to Vegas to clean them out.

 

[Bobby]

And I believe it was Johnny Ervolino who once said --- "It's not how many you run. It's who you run 'em against."

Rick

Yeah, that sounds like Johnny.



Bobby

 

[Bobby]

Is Eufemia still alive or playing? I've never heard of him before so I'm just wondering. And, if he wasn't a tournament player, was he a gambler?

Also, does anyone know if Mosconi EVER gambled? If not, what were his reasonings? Just wondering...

Thanks,

Travis

Eufemia is no longer living. I understand he was
mostly a gambler.



Bobby

 

[yobagua]

Travis

Just want to give you this info. I was watching a accustats tape from the 2003 Derby. It was 9ball between Johnny Archer and Cliff Joyner. Danny Diliberto makes an interesting comment about Mike Eufemia to Billy Incardona. It was a brief comment that I thought you would find interesting. I didnt want to repeat it because I think his words accurately describe his feelings. Diliberto is an all time great at 14.1 and one of my favorite 14.1 match gamers. The last of the straight pool road warriors. I spent hours watching him take on all comers in straight pool for the rent money. A heart like a lion and a gentleman. Please pm me if you have any more questions as I would not like to revisit this thread.

 

[Tommy-D]

High Runs

> Mosconi said in an interview that someone told him that the 526 was broken,so he ran a 589 at home before he missed,with Carswell Ransome racking for him. The next day,after Carswell left,he started with the layout he left from the day before,and ran an unfinished 609. Mike Eufemia was undoubtedly awesome,even if his tournament game wasn't right. There were no shortage of people on the rail that would empty out over whether or not their boy would run 200 between the time he showed up and the time the room closed. He simply ran a 200 every day for 10 years is all. I looked up a newspaper article covering the 526,and there was a lawyer present that drew up the "official" document with witness names,no luck finding that so far. If that man had not been present,the "official" record would be 309 unfinished by Irving Crane,on a tight 5 x 10 no less. The 625 might hold up,except no one saw it all. Babe Cranfield supposedly ran a 768 at his home. Mike Sigel ran his 339 on his 19th birthday from what I have been told. Most players these days would quit and start whining about adjusting the game after a 100 run,with anything riding on it. Tommy D.

 

[Bobby]

> Mosconi said in an interview that someone told him that the 526 was broken,so he ran a 589 at home before he missed,with Carswell Ransome racking for him. The next day,after Carswell left,he started with the layout he left from the day before,and ran an unfinished 609. Mike Eufemia was undoubtedly awesome,even if his tournament game wasn't right. There were no shortage of people on the rail that would empty out over whether or not their boy would run 200 between the time he showed up and the time the room closed. He simply ran a 200 every day for 10 years is all. I looked up a newspaper article covering the 526,and there was a lawyer present that drew up the "official" document with witness names,no luck finding that so far. If that man had not been present,the "official" record would be 309 unfinished by Irving Crane,on a tight 5 x 10 no less. The 625 might hold up,except no one saw it all. Babe Cranfield supposedly ran a 768 at his home. Mike Sigel ran his 339 on his 19th birthday from what I have been told. Most players these days would quit and start whining about adjusting the game after a 100 run,with anything riding on it. Tommy D.

They say that back in the heyday of the Golden Cue in
Queens, NY the straight pool talent in that room was
staggering. You could walk in on any given day and
see Ray Martin, Johnny Ervolino, Onofrio Lauri,
Cisero Murphy, Jack Colavita and many others. One
player from that room was Gene Nagy, he is virtually
unknown outside of New York, even in New York most
players never heard of him but he is credited with
two runs of over 400 balls in his life. He also
couldn't handle pressure, so he remains unknown. They
say that even the shortstops had high runs over 200
in that room.

I heard that Dennis Hatch ran 360 balls when
he was 20 years old, and at 15 was running 100 almost
daily.

Bobby

 

[TwizteD]

this is true about hatch...if any of u are ever in the Western New York Area stop in @ Classic Cue Billiards On Transit Road...there u will find every artical on hatch from every newspaper,magazine on the walls

 

[JellyBean]

FWIW


To Wally who posts on ccb and attacks me at will.
You don't have the guts to tell a lie about me on az becasue you know I will not let it stand and come back to to defend. Instead you drop a lie on ccb because you know I am not on that board. Do please tell the truth, what you did shows what a slime bag you are. You have been doing this kind of crap to me for a very long time slime bucket. Wally I would never send Guido after you, a little insignificant nobody loser like you is not worth my time or Guido's either. The world is full of a holes and you are the a hole leader. Everyone has an opinion and everyone has an a hole and you have both on your forehead.

It was said on ccb that I got on pm's and was hacking my lessons. I don't even do pm's, my pm is not even on. If I ever discussed a lesson on a pm it was because somebody asked me a question on my lessons. I am booked solid on lessons now up till June. In my home town, I do not seek new students. Right now I have all I want. You can't be my student when your only qualification is you have a C note to lay on the table. To be my student now you must be worthy and show potential. I am now turning away all unworthy students who come to me and sending them to Scott Lee. If somebody produces such a pm, they made and procuced that pm which is easy to do. Wally, did any one tell you what a pm means, private message, private and to reveal any contents of a private message, means you are a scum bag. People of honor, people who have rules of behavior do not do that, but you have no rules of behavior, do you bottom crawler.

I wrote you I was going to have Guido break your legs, what a lie that is. I do not have other people do my dirty work, If I wanted your legs broke, I would break them my self. I am a lover, not a fighter, I do not attack people nor do I think physical violence is the path to go.

I do have a big ass problem with you and your speading of lies and bull s*** like this scumb ball brains. How about you get off my a**, go brush your tooth and crawl back under your rock maggot. You sir, make me want to puke, you are indeed a true bozo with papers and blue ribbons. I also hear you can't run 3 friggen balls in your best wet dream either from a variety of sources.

Your ccb post:
Wally_in_Cincy
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Re: Ask the Cue Maker - NOT! [re: tateuts]
03/02/04 09:13 AM (216.68.216.90) Edit Reply Quote




Quote tateuts:
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Really? He PM's me saying he's going to send some Guido to break my legs

Wally~~not skeered. But fairly amused.

P.S. LOL at *kindergarten


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Re: Ask the Cue Maker - NOT! [re: 9balldude]
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Quote 9balldude:
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He's hard to ignore

Fast obviously likes starting this crap because it feeds his ego to have folks responding to it.

I met Blud out in Vegas in August and he seemed like a pretty good guy. I wish he would quit climbing down into the gutter with Fast.

To borrow an old cliche, Blud has forgotten more about cues than Larry will ever know.

This was posted by a different person:




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Re: Ask the Cue Maker - NOT! [re: tateuts]
02/29/04 09:58 PM (24.104.74.216) Edit Reply Quote



I couldn't believe FL. He says he won't post anymore and he comes right back with 10 more posts. I can't wait to see him at Valley Forge. If he's as good as he says he is, he should win the trick shot competition easily because everyone will quit rather than face him.

DG - we should all go to watch his match and root against him
THIS IS FL, ROOT FOR WHO EVER YOU WISH, ITS A FREE COUNTRY. BET ON MASSEY TO WIN. DO NOT BET ON Me, I AM COMING OUT OF 4 YRS OF RETIRMENT AND AM STILL MEDICALLY DISABLED. ALL I HAVE SAID AND PROMISED I WILL DO IS COME IN LAST. ALL I WANT TO DO IS RETURN TO PLAY AND GET BACK INTO THIS. I AM GOING TO PLACE POORLY FOR A FEW EVENTS, I EXPECT THIS, I HAVE MENTALLY ACCEPTED THIS, SO WHEN I DO REJOICE AND TRY TO RUB MY NOSE IN COMING BACK SIMPLY TO PLAY. I am coming into this event with almost no practice or preparation. Most of these shots I have never mastered. I don't do them in my show and most of them i don't even like. I will take me some time to master them and get back up to speed. PERHAPS IN A YEAR, I CAN BEGIN TO COMPETE ONCE MORE AND PLACE WITH FAVORABLE RESULTS. I VIEW THESE TWO EVENTS COMING UP AS WARM UPS FOR ME, I AM POINTING TO THE YEAR END WORLD EVENT, I WILL BE READY FOR IT AND WILL DO WELL THERE. At lease I have the guts to play, somebody ask Scott Lee why he does not have the guts to play and never has, can it be he does not want to expose what he has or does not have?
Those are the ones you should root against, the ones who are afraid to play, not the ones who have the courage to play.

hERE IS WHAT TATEUS THINKS OF AZ:
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Re: New forum suggestion: [re: whitewolf]
03/01/04 12:30 PM (63.198.247.252) Edit Reply Quote



They already have a trash board - here it is:

A - Z Billiards, Home of FL (Fanatics and Lunatics)

THIS IS FL; And this one from the great tetti one: Look I repeat, I do not use pm's to hawk lessons, this is a lie, which is why I come back on to expose that lie>


03/01/04 03:23 PM (63.198.247.252) Edit Reply Quote



Jimmy,

FL is in a class of his own*.

What I particularly find amusing is he PM's us offering to give us lessons - geez! At least our guys blow you off then leave you alone.


Chris


* Kindergarten

THIS IS FL, YES CHILDRED, ALL THE ABOVE BULL SHE YIT IS NOTHING BUT KINDE GARTEN CRAP, GROW UP KIDDIES, GO PLAY POOL, THEN YOU WILL NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS WASTE OF TIME.

Wally and Tateus, the two grand master bozos of ccb, they are the grand dragon bozos, and wally is the head ubangi bozo of the bunch. They just can't let it ride, they have to keep this s going, that does make me wonder about their stablity. Wally sits behind a desk at a pool hall for minimum wage all day long bored with nothing to do so we know his problem. What do you do out in California Tateus, pick fruit amigo.

Them were the good old days.

-Bean

Ad Nostalgia Infinitum ... Misses the old codger

 

[pete lafond]

Mosconi's

Babe Cranfield is said to have run over 600 on a
9ft in practice and 420 on a 5 x 10 but I don't
think either run is verified.

No one could run balls like Babe. They said in a game to 1000, he was clearly the favorite. When I was 19 years old he used to call me over to play him everytime I was in the pool room. (I think he needed a rack boy.) He would run 250 and 350 like nothing. Once in a while it would hit 400+. He did this stuff to often. Watch out when he missed, Teacherman would have thrown him out of the pool hall, he would get so pissed. He played like a michine and you could almost always predict his last 3 - 4 shots at the end of each rack. A great teacher.

 

[crow]

I believe Mosconi's high run was 526 during an exhibition. It was probably on an 8 foot table (not 9 or 10ft.). Mike Eufemia of NYC is said to have run 600 some balls, but it is a lot more controversial (no one doubts Willie's record)

And he ran those balls in my hometown, Springfield, Ohio!

Kevin

 

[bruin70]

I believe Mosconi's high run was 526 during an exhibition. It was probably on an 8 foot table (not 9 or 10ft.). Mike Eufemia of NYC is said to have run 600 some balls, but it is a lot more controversial (no one doubts Willie's record)

i don't believe there are many doubters to eufemia's run. there were a lot of people present, his run is just as "confirmed" as mosconi's,,,just not done officially.

 

[cuejoey]

Them were the good old days.

-Bean

Ad Nostalgia Infinitum ... Misses the old codger

could anyone please tell me the link to the ccb board thanks

 

[sjm]

i don't believe there are many doubters to eufemia's run. there were a lot of people present, his run is just as "confirmed" as mosconi's,,,just not done officially.

Exactly right. Mike's run, which I believe occurred in 1961, was not viewed as confirmed because nobody could witness to having seen the entire run. There were guys who saw the first 250, guys who saw it from 150 to 400 and guys who saw it from 350 to the end, so as a group, they could attest to the run. The absence of someone who saw the whole thing was, I've been told, the most basic obstacle to having the run recognized officially.

 

[sjm]

They say that back in the heyday of the Golden Cue in
Queens, NY the straight pool talent in that room was staggering. You could walk in on any given day and see Ray Martin, Johnny Ervolino, Onofrio Lauri,
Cisero Murphy, Jack Colavita and many others. One player from that room was Gene Nagy, he is virtually unknown outside of New York, even in New York most players never heard of him but he is credited with two runs of over 400 balls in his life. He also couldn't handle pressure, so he remains unknown. They say that even the shortstops had high runs over 200 in that room.

Bobby, as you know, i practically grew uip in that room, and saw every player you mentioned play there. Among others legends seen there on occasion in the best years of the Goden Q were Luther Lassiter, Steve Mizerak, Allen Hopkins, Mike Eufemia, Joe Balsis, Irving Crane, Dalls West and Pete Margo. Other guys I saw play there who could run hundreds included Dave Lipner, Jimmy Burke, Howie Pearl, Artie Campbell, , Lenny Favata, Dan Barouty, Neptune Joe Frady, Tom Walter, Pat Fleming, Ernie Costa, Herb Lehmann, George Pharo, Bill Dunsomre and Pete Tascarella.

Man I miss those days! Hope you're well, Bobby.

 

[Bobby]

Bobby, as you know, i practically grew uip in that room, and saw every player you mentioned play there. Among others legends seen there on occasion in the best years of the Goden Q were Luther Lassiter, Steve Mizerak, Allen Hopkins, Mike Eufemia, Joe Balsis, Irving Crane, Dalls West and Pete Margo. Other guys I saw play there who could run hundreds included Dave Lipner, Jimmy Burke, Howie Pearl, Artie Campbell, , Lenny Favata, Dan Barouty, Neptune Joe Frady, Tom Walter, Pat Fleming, Ernie Costa, Herb Lehmann, George Pharo, Bill Dunsomre and Pete Tascarella.

Man I miss those days! Hope you're well, Bobby.

So SJM, who in your opinion was the best 14.1
player that played in that room?