Stroke! Wonder How to get their fantastic Strokes?

The title does ask how to get a fantastic stroke. Then some guys just go on to describe the end result "hitting the ball at a particular spot at high speed". Well, that doesn't really explain anything or help anybody. It's akin to saying that to become an olympic sprinter all you need to do is to move your legs really fast. It's not helpful at all and comes off as snarky and smart-Alecky.

To improve your stroke (mine is not of a pro caliber, but pretty straight and reliable), I think you should focus on straightness, building speed by accellerating smoothly, and focusing on the grip, to avoid any twisting. What I see in the pool hall, is people trying to achieve the end result, using bogus means, like twisting or torqing their wrists, leaning into the shot, dropping their shoulders and elbows in a bad, exaggerated manner etc. That may give you the power, but will not be reliable or available on demand. I found the best way to get power without much body movement is through snapping the wrist, working hard on the timing and to avoid any lateral, unintended movement. This is not as easy and trivial as it may sound, as it is easy to make bad finger movements that throw the cue off, or to miss the timing and even miscue the ball.

In the end though, I don't spend a whole lot of time on developing power, as I'm playing on flipper machine style cushions and fast cloth, with tight pockets. For a while I was seriously considering "weakening" my pool shaft, putting on a super soft tip and even experimenting with a sort of "cushion" on the ferrule, so as to reduce the problem with overrunning position. That's how lightening fast the conditions are. And they are like that in almost every competition now. In the end, gimmicks like that are just gimmicks and useless, though it's interesting to talk about and try such things.
 
The title does ask how to get a fantastic stroke. Then some guys just go on to describe the end result "hitting the ball at a particular spot at high speed". Well, that doesn't really explain anything or help anybody. It's akin to saying that to become an olympic sprinter all you need to do is to move your legs really fast. It's not helpful at all and comes off as snarky and smart-Alecky.

To improve your stroke (mine is not of a pro caliber, but pretty straight and reliable), I think you should focus on straightness, building speed by accellerating smoothly, and focusing on the grip, to avoid any twisting. What I see in the pool hall, is people trying to achieve the end result, using bogus means, like twisting or torqing their wrists, leaning into the shot, dropping their shoulders and elbows in a bad, exaggerated manner etc. That may give you the power, but will not be reliable or available on demand. I found the best way to get power without much body movement is through snapping the wrist, working hard on the timing and to avoid any lateral, unintended movement. This is not as easy and trivial as it may sound, as it is easy to make bad finger movements that throw the cue off, or to miss the timing and even miscue the ball.

In the end though, I don't spend a whole lot of time on developing power, as I'm playing on flipper machine style cushions and fast cloth, with tight pockets. For a while I was seriously considering "weakening" my pool shaft, putting on a super soft tip and even experimenting with a sort of "cushion" on the ferrule, so as to reduce the problem with overrunning position. That's how lightening fast the conditions are. And they are like that in almost every competition now. In the end, gimmicks like that are just gimmicks and useless, though it's interesting to talk about and try such things.

Finally! Someone who has the answer that's on the CORRECT path. All this Front hand/Back hand, twist to the side with the stroke is ALL total Bu****it!

A straight-follow-thru, vertically & horizontally with accurate cue tip to cue ball contact along with the correct cue-tip speed will give the player ALL the effect they will ever need on the CB! Sometimes the cue needs to be at a certain, descending or elevating angle thru the CB to get a, 'particular exaggerated ' effect on the CB.

These remarks are basically pertaining to CB effects in 3 cushion billiards!

It's real simple. "The players that apply the least amount of force and obtain the most amount of effect on the cue ball, have the BEST strokes!"

Here's a simple, but effective example of playing 3 cushion draw, shot without much effort. Notice the cue goes thru the CB, perfectly straight without any, 'hand tricks!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIGlyTQuK5I
 
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Finally! Someone who has the answer that's on the CORRECT path. All this Front hand/Back hand, twist to the side with the stroke is ALL total Bu****it!

A straight-follow-thru, vertically & horizontally with accurate cue tip to cue ball contact along with the correct cue-tip speed will give the player ALL the effect they will ever need on the CB! Sometimes the cue needs to be at a certain, descending or elevating angle thru the CB to get a, 'particular exaggerated ' effect on the CB.

These remarks are basically pertaining to CB effects in 3 cushion billiards!

It's real simple. "The players that apply the least amount of force and obtain the most amount of effect on the cue ball, have the BEST strokes!"

Here's a simple, but effective example of playing 3 cushion draw, shot without much effort. Notice the cue goes thru the CB, perfectly straight without any, 'hand tricks!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIGlyTQuK5I

That was a pretty shot.:smile:
 
The title does ask how to get a fantastic stroke. Then some guys just go on to describe the end result "hitting the ball at a particular spot at high speed". Well, that doesn't really explain anything or help anybody.
I agree with your other advice, but not this. Knowing exactly what needs to be (and what can be) accomplished makes learning to do it quicker, more deliberate and more effective. It's probably the most universally taught first step.

pj
chgo
 
That's nice but the record is over 1000 consecutive spot-to-spot shots.

I agree, that's nice.

It was much better than hearing someone "talk about spot shots", regardless of the number.

I've set through my share of lectures about "theories"..... and like 99% of the human race, I didn't like it then and dont care for it now for the same reasons.

Having said that, I like a lecture if it, at least has enough substance to hold your attention.
 
I agree, that's nice.

It was much better than hearing someone "talk about spot shots", regardless of the number.

I've set through my share of lectures about "theories"..... and like 99% of the human race, I didn't like it then and dont care for it now for the same reasons.

Having said that, I like a lecture if it, at least has enough substance to hold your attention.
So you don’t like discussion. Maybe (just spitballing) a “discussion forum” isn’t what you’re looking for...?

pj
chgo
 
It is the ESSENCE of a stroke! The way someone's cue stick accelerates, that is, the consistency of that acceleration speed from the beginning of the forward stroke UNTIL the cue stick passes completely AWAY from CONTACT with the cue ball defines the quality of one's billiard stroke. Hope this is a better explanation of the definition of a quality stroke.

MY point was that there is no one stroke method that is actually "better' than another, since many great pros demonstrate a variation of How they achieve the above quality stroke definition - but they all achieve it much more consistently than the average player.
Those interested in this topic might enjoy the following resource page:

“Type” or “Quality” of a Pool Stroke

Regards,
Dave
 
So you don’t like discussion. Maybe (just spitballing) a “discussion forum” isn’t what you’re looking for...?

pj
chgo

Do I like discussions? Yes, I sure do but, like a lot of threads, this one was took over by "scientific theory" rather than what the OP ask.........VVVVVVV

Which was:

How to get a fantastic stroke?.....That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

I have NO issue with discussion, not in the least but, if I ask what flavor icecream I should eat....lol....I dont want to be told how to make it, only how it taste.

Look, I worked in a field that required a ton of research etc..etc. I get it, I really do.

I have nothing against anyone on this site, especially you and others like you because you OBVIOUSLY love pool.

Without people like you and myself, places like seyberts, AZB and more or less all billiard business would be in trouble.

Pros don't spend money on pool stuff, they, in a way, get it free. Casual players spend more than pros but not by much.

People like us, well, were the players that "buy" the more expensive chalk, gloves, cues, tables.....etc...etc.

I'm not familiar with your situation. You may be like myself and unable to actually "play" at times because of your health or maybe your wife's health problems etc...etc so, maybe you like to have "very detailed discussions". Again, I get it.
 
The title does ask how to get a fantastic stroke. Then some guys just go on to describe the end result "hitting the ball at a particular spot at high speed". Well, that doesn't really explain anything or help anybody. It's akin to saying that to become an olympic sprinter all you need to do is to move your legs really fast. It's not helpful at all and comes off as snarky and smart-Alecky.

To improve your stroke (mine is not of a pro caliber, but pretty straight and reliable), I think you should focus on straightness, building speed by accellerating smoothly, and focusing on the grip, to avoid any twisting. What I see in the pool hall, is people trying to achieve the end result, using bogus means, like twisting or torqing their wrists, leaning into the shot, dropping their shoulders and elbows in a bad, exaggerated manner etc. That may give you the power, but will not be reliable or available on demand. I found the best way to get power without much body movement is through snapping the wrist, working hard on the timing and to avoid any lateral, unintended movement. This is not as easy and trivial as it may sound, as it is easy to make bad finger movements that throw the cue off, or to miss the timing and even miscue the ball.

In the end though, I don't spend a whole lot of time on developing power, as I'm playing on flipper machine style cushions and fast cloth, with tight pockets. For a while I was seriously considering "weakening" my pool shaft, putting on a super soft tip and even experimenting with a sort of "cushion" on the ferrule, so as to reduce the problem with overrunning position. That's how lightening fast the conditions are. And they are like that in almost every competition now. In the end, gimmicks like that are just gimmicks and useless, though it's interesting to talk about and try such things.


Str8pool99

I had the same thoughts.... Yet, someone decided that I was an A-hole for thinking the same as you....then, they decided to delete it.

Don't know why people have to be so sensitive?

Good post!
 
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Str8pool99

I had the same thoughts.... Yet, someone decided that I was an A-hole for thinking the same as you....then, they decided to delete it.

Don't know why people have to be so sensitive?

Good post!

I didnt call you an asshole, I called you an arrogant jackass. :thumbup:

Trust me, I am FAR from sensitive.
 
I didnt call you an asshole, I called you an arrogant jackass. :thumbup:

Trust me, I am FAR from sensitive.

Why dont you tell us how you really feel?

Lol...

You may be onto something though...lol... it seems ever since I retired, I'm not much of a people person.

I guess a few decades of "having no choice" but to deal with tight-a55 a55hats.....may change a person's "way of dealing" with people in general.

It's good to know your not sensitive. People, in general, are WAAYYY to damn sensitive these days. It's like someone put something in the water.

Remember when two men could have a disagreement and neither one got butt hurt?

I miss those days......you jacka55!
 
Here's a, 'practical' application and use of having an excellent stroke playing pool.

The shot has to be hit with the perfect stroke and speed! If too much force is used the CB will make a, 'wide carom' to the right, resulting in NOT being able to come across the table as diagrammed.

It's a, one pocket situation.

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Here's a video of me playing the shot in the diagram.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTLClGCARD4
 
If you are saying what I think you are saying, this is a common misconception that is debunked here:

getting more spin with a swoop/swipe stroke?

Enjoy,
Dave



Dave,

I long ago quit looking at anything at your site, a matter of personal ethics. I have owned quite a bit of intellectual property over the years, had some stolen including a few paragraphs of mine you stole. What you stole wasn't exactly top secret so I didn't care. However, I object to your assumption that you can just take what you want. I don't know if the law has changed now, perhaps you can. Legally, you couldn't when you did it for years. Ethically you still can't, in my opinion. I suspect you would be unhappy if someone built a mirror site to yours taking your years of investment of time and money in your site and placing it under their own name.

As for the theory angle doesn't matter, use a striped ball with the stripe vertical to give a nice target. place your bridge hand inline with the edge of the stripe and hit the ball. Now move your bridge hand six inches over to the opposite side from where you were hitting the cue ball. Can you still hit it in the same place without a miscue? Surely you can if angle doesn't matter. The same would be true if you moved your bridge hand twelve inches to the side with a half-moon shaped cue tip.

If moving the bridge hand to illustrate the point doesn't suit a person the same proof can be demonstrated with a very short bridge and the various ways of applying side.

Even pj grasps that different angles create different squirt. If angle didn't matter squirt would be identical.

Ah well, I am tired of trying to use reason to make people understand what two minutes on a pool table would demonstrate. Ultimately all of the debate on AZB means nothing compared to what happens on a table. When I worked in Research and Development I started as a CAD Designer and ended up running the test shop as well. Never in my time there was the test shop proven wrong by calculations however calculations were repeatedly proven wrong in the test shop. Nothing wrong with the calculations as far as they went, they just didn't go far enough. That is generally the same problem with those applying physics to pool. Physics certainly apply, but only when applied properly!

Hu
 
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