Stunning news: FREE IPT Challenge Match: Johnny Archer vs. Earl Strickland

[JCIN]

And btw > 1-2k viewers?

If strickland/archer hit a really awesome shot - it get's posted on youtube, like Corey Deuel's crazy shot against Immonen , you get :
"YouTube.com Views: 14,432 ..."

Thats 15,000 people.

15,000 more people thinking about pool than were without that recorded clip.

If you think 15,000 people are gonna watch this LIVE I have a bridge for sale. Spider knows what he is talking about.

This is about driving traffic to their website. It is the one thing that will continue to generate revenue and new customer info that sponsors will pay for. My stance on the IPT has been pretty well documented here. I will let that horse rest in peace.

The thing that is interesting is the new NACPBA tour. The more I learn about it the more excited I am getting. There is a long way to go yet, but it is just possible there may be some light at the end of the tunnel that is not a multi-level marketing train. These sound like serious people with good motivation. Hopefully we will all know more soon.

IPT is dead, no amount of wishing or free matches is gonna change that.

 

[JimS]

NOTHING is free in life! Don't say I didn't warn you.

There WILL be a hook. At first I thought it was the membership thing but now.......

But... there WILL be a hook.

 

[derekdisco]

There WILL be a hook. At first I thought it was the membership thing but now.......

But... there WILL be a hook.

Yes there will be a hook, a captain hook!

 

[shinobi]

LOL...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on ME!

Southpaw

Or in the case of KT, "fool me 943,372,382,993,485 times, shame on ME!"

 

[DaveK]

Maybe this is a way for them to come up with more money to pay the players.

I've never found giving things away for free to be a great way to raise money. It's even worse than loosing a dollar on every sale while expecting to make it up in volume ... at least those fools have a bit of cash flow ... negative cash flow, but giving things away for free gets you nothing.

As far as driving up their IPT website hit-count, I would think that any sponsor would look to sustained traffic (like we have here on AZ, day after day) as opposed to an ultra-hyped one-time-event hit-count. Any reasonable amount of due diligence will uncover the extremes to which Deno has suggested promoting this ONE event (and why), one that benefits only two players, and one that apparently has no value (it's free after all). This sounds to me like they are grasping at straws.

Dave

 

[ribdoner]

Why waste time on foreplay?? Give it up!!

Just send THEM your bank account and credit card info...

 

[JCIN]

I've never found giving things away for free to be a great way to raise money. It's even worse than loosing a dollar on every sale while expecting to make it up in volume ... at least those fools have a bit of cash flow ... negative cash flow, but giving things away for free gets you nothing.

As far as driving up their IPT website hit-count, I would think that any sponsor would look to sustained traffic (like we have here on AZ, day after day) as opposed to an ultra-hyped one-time-event hit-count. Any reasonable amount of due diligence will uncover the extremes to which Deno has suggested promoting this ONE event (and why), one that benefits only two players, and one that apparently has no value (it's free after all). This sounds to me like they are grasping at straws.

Dave

See there you go thinking logically. You must stop that.

 

[DaveK]

See there you go thinking logically. You must stop that.

OK, but it may take me 30 or 40 more years.

Dave

 

[AuntyDan]

Any reasonable amount of due diligence will uncover the extremes to which Deno has suggested promoting this ONE event (and why), one that benefits only two players, and one that apparently has no value (it's free after all). This sounds to me like they are grasping at straws.

Dave

I can't help but agree with this. I strongly suspect they are hoping to take the hit log from this event and waft it under some potential sponsor's noses. However even assuming this works to some extent, the income from such sponsors will be dependant on how many people actually view and then click through their adverts, so without a steady stream of such events and a resonable number of people watching them there won't be any much income.

And putting aside all the obvious reservations about a resurgance of the IPT still run by Kevin "Fool me twice" Trudau and Deno "Feel me twice" Andrews, I can't imagine the potential revenue from such online advertising can possibly supply the cash required to resurrect the IPT at even a small percentage of the 2006 proto-season's payout rates.

 

[Russ Chewning]

Well, I have two things to say here:

1. These two most probably ain't going to get paid anything but PROMISES.

and

2. If they DO get paid before the other 30% of the monies owed are paid off, they are BOTH permanently on my **** list. And this would be really disappointing in Johnny's case, as not once in his career have I ever seen him do anything in other than a professional manner.

Russ

 

[mnorwood]

I hope Archer and Strickland make them post the money on the lights....

Southpaw

Dam good idea. I would say post the money or I would not play.

 

[vagabond]

The strickland I know is a man of principles.

 

[jay helfert]

Yes there will be a hook, a captain hook!

Are you sure that's not his Dad?

 

[Joe Rogan]

Ooooh, low blow, Jay

 

[cor]

I've never found giving things away for free to be a great way to raise money. It's even worse than loosing a dollar on every sale while expecting to make it up in volume ... at least those fools have a bit of cash flow ... negative cash flow, but giving things away for free gets you nothing.
Dave

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Red Bull gives away hundreds of thousands of cans, to promote their product. One of those most aggressive marketing companies out their today that trump all energy drinks.

You shouldn't pay for somthing unless you try it. Let them try what they will and you sit back and watch.

If it works it works if it fails it fails. Unless you wrote the book on marketing strategies and have any clue in business.. Negative cash flow isn't always bad.

Who hates free. Nobody.
Who wants free. Everybody.


If you have to pay in the "hook" - than don't. Who cares. I'm not paying a dime.


It promotes pool. Let it be.

 

[elvicash]

Pool is a hard place to make money for anybody. That being said this will probably happen and alot of us will watch it and some us will not. All for different reasons. If Johnny and Earl can make some money good for them and if they don't then shame on the IPT one more time.

Alot of businesses have cash flow problems and I myself have had trouble collecting at times in my business especially when I am considered an old debt. These same people that owe me and are slow to pay still pay their current employees dilligently. I guess the IPT will be doing this for Earl and Johnny, they are doing this more as employees or contractors since I did not see anything posted about entry fees as in the Action Report Challenge Matches. So I think a business pays there current employees so they can keep the doors open.

Should we look down on these two for trying to make a buck with the IPT still owing 30% on the last tournament. I say no defintily no as they are just trying to make a buck.

Many pro's are gamblers and most of them have shot an air ball or two in the past. How many of them have been staked and dumped it off or made a saver and not kicked something back to their stake. More than a few of them I guarentee it and we all know that is true. Quite a few have not even showed up to play in tournaments when they are staked which is just like spitting in the eye of the person staking them.

I also know all pro's have not done this but I think a good long list could be made of people who have IPT cards and got stiffed as to these bad attributes and worse. That is why you cannot easily gamble on pool matches in Vegas.

Also many pro's have borrowed money or collected winning and NOT split it as they should have. So they know about business and how the business is done. So with the last IPT they recieved some business and most of them have accepted it and went on down the road. Taking their 11% checks as they come in and glad to have it.

How many pros have had an airball shot at them and then play the same guy some more the next time they see them. Sometime not even collecting on the airball just making them post up before playing this time. Most of them would do the same with the IPT.

I would venture to say if the IPT had another big tournament and the money was posted so the pro's knew it would be paid out I think most of them would show up even if this last 30% has not yet been paid. I am talking about a tournament with the kind of cash the first IPT tourneys had where the cash was paid out.

Most of the pros would play IMO but it looks like KT is not spending that kind of cash now. I would venture to say that Johnny and Earl are expecting to be paid and I would be willing to bet that they are paid on this match what they are promised.

IPT is trying to stir the pot. Trying out the Action Report challenge style of a match and steaming it. They found some name players and the players want to get paid something so they are going to play. I doubt I watch it but I am interested in how many watchers they get.

Will you watch it?

If you watch it why will you watch it?

 

[RED LITE]

Not Me, Kevin !

My first reaction was, hey, I'll watch a free match anytime!

Then I saw the "sign up" page. The last thing I would ever do is to submit any of my personal information, email address, or anything else to Kevin Trudeau, or to any business entity he is connected with. You'll never get off his list.

Think about it. If it were just a freebie, or a good faith P.R. venture, why would he want you to "sign up"?

I am not a pro player, nor an IPT player. But on this sign-up issue, I still have standing to say "no".

RL

 

[frankwhite]

Assuming that the players are playing for prize money and not for free, I think it is pretty disgusting.

I don't know what the personal finances of either player are but I wouldn't suspect that Johnny, for example, is financially distressed. If they are, then, hey, you gotta feed the family.

If not, I think it is a little sad that they would accept money from an organization that owes large sums of money to pros who ARE in many cases, not well off financially.

Regards,
Jim

I have to agree w/ you on this AV. How can you participate in this "Matchup", when your fellow employees so to speek, are owed monies. But then again, your right again, Daddy has to feed the kids.....
Let me tell a story told by Mike Davis when asked would he play on the IPT once more.........Well his reply was ofcourse????Why???? Because pool is a gamble, and we all do it....So going to this IPT again is a gamble, weather we get paid or not. It is worth the money being paid to gamble if we will get paid or not.....I just looked like a lost puppy trying to find my way home!!!!
Look at it closely though, Mike is right. Hey we play pool for a living, we have to go what else is going on.......
Frankie

 

[DaveK]

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Red Bull gives away hundreds of thousands of cans, to promote their product. One of those most aggressive marketing companies out their today that trump all energy drinks.

OK, but they also sell a fair bit of Red Bull. The IPT also sells video of matches, but not in sufficient quantities to attract sponsors based on their sparse demographics, hence the desperate tactics.

You shouldn't pay for somthing unless you try it. Let them try what they will and you sit back and watch.

So, if this is such a great tactic, why not use it earlier ? And I'm thinking that you have never owned or operated a business. Normally people in business dislike giving things away. Red Bull is likely in the nice position of having profits, so giving away product is merely an advertising expense to them, just like renting a billboard. The IPT is giving away this match simply to drive viewers to their website in order to pump up their weak demographics ... it's smoke and mirrors, just like dragging people into chairs at an event so that the cameras show significant attendance when really there was none.

If it works it works if it fails it fails. Unless you wrote the book on marketing strategies and have any clue in business.. Negative cash flow isn't always bad.

Who hates free. Nobody.
Who wants free. Everybody.

I've not written the book on marketing, but I've certainly read many, taken classes from folks like Ken Wong, and practiced it for years ... still lots to learn and try.

Who hates free ? Sponsors ! As an example : "Hey Mr. Coors, here are a great bunch of customers for you. They won't pay for your product but will drink it up if it's free".

Dave

 

[frankwhite]

every day there is a thread on here about how pool as a professional sport is doomed. theres not enough money, blah blah blah...

now heres a big match that should be awesome to watch. the IPT did have the biggest payouts ever. according to JAM 70% payout of owed prize monies have been payed.

sure KT is a snake. sure the IPT left a sour taste when the business model failed. at least they tried something. the didnt just whine online about how professional pool was doomed.

if a rejuvenated IPT can put on some tourneys and get going again then i say great. i cant wait to watch the matches. if pros want to take a risk (caveat emptors, the basis or our economic system) then great.

come on guys, cant we support (or at least not dis players/organizations trying to do) something that could be good for pool?

brian

BRAVO, BROTHER.........LONG LIVE POOL...........