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smashmouth said:
who else has paid players 5 million dollars?
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smashmouth said:
You can't con an honest man.......
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You can't REALLY believe the above statement do you?

Perhaps you should read some American history...about a gentleman (tongue-in-cheek) named Ponzi. He was the original role model for KT...how to screw everyone, by paying off the first round of suckers with later $$$ taken in. In fact, what KT does for a living actually qualifies as a 'Ponzi scheme'. The IPT is DEAD...get used to it.:(

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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smokeandapancak said:
Isnt KT out of the IPT all together?... I thought the CHina gangsta Stanley Hu had complete control of the outfit now ?
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What is IPT????

And it was Stanley HO!!!!
 
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huh???

smashmouth said:
interesting, perhaps the twits like Scott Lee should consider that when making public posts
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Now why would you say that? All I did was clarify a distinct truth about KT and the way the IPT operated (and several other posters made the same point). You made a comment about how "an honest man cannot be conned", which is totally inaccurate. Honest people have been conned ever since there have been con men. Read your history.

Oh...and about the comment regarding being affiliated with the IPT...if you are, I feel sorry for you, as your reputation is in the toilet, along with the rest of the IPT group. Maybe you don't care.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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smashmouth said:
Blindeyed? hmmmm

Perhaps you missed the fact that he has paid out more money to more players than any promoter in the history of pool.

Can you put aside your PERSONAL feelings regarding KT for a moment, can you put aside your suspicions on what his motovations are?

Not for a second do I think KT is a boy scout, but the monies paid speaks for itself.

If he wants to yap about being all about the players while secretly using the IPT to launder money from fraudelent health books purchased by people too stupid to know any better, well as long as the players are paid, i'm fine with that.

You can't con an honest man.......
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Granted, he paid out some money, but he also stole a lot of qualifier money. This was the very thing that was supposed to keep the IPT afloat. How many $2000 markers does he have. They trusted the POS, and he took off with their money. It is gone forever. How could anyone in their right mind trust this guy with a piggy bank?

It's not what he did, but what he didn't do!!!
 
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Some people will never learn. Don't argue with them. Just let everyone that still trusts and believes in Kevin Trudeau to follow him blindly if he should ever attempt to promote pool again. If the KT faithful are unable to learn and/or recognize what Kevin's motives were, then they deserve each other and the game of pool doesn't need them anyway.

A lot of Kevin's closest and most vocal supporters in the beginning are some of his harshest and disillusioned non-supporters today. There are reasons for that and I am not one of those reasons. Some people cannot or will not look at those reasons honestly and sadly those are the people that will fall for it again in the future. Sometimes when people are hellbent on failure, you should just let go and let them go down that path and learn those lessons for themselves.
 
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TX Poolnut said:
This post was so full of bad grammer, misspelled words, misuse of punctuation, and sentence structure that I had a difficult time reading it. Put aside the large font and blue text. You quoted me, so I guess you were trying to get my attention.

I think we agree, but I am having such a hard time reading this post, that it's hard to tell.

12 posts since December and this is the best you could do? Really? Really?:rolleyes:
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Just guessing, but probably went to school with Pool Sleuth. :rolleyes: ;) :eek: :D Hi Bruce :p
 
Blackjack said:
:rolleyes: :p
Some people will never learn. Don't argue with them. Just let everyone that still trusts and believes in Kevin Trudeau to follow him blindly if he should ever attempt to promote pool again. If the KT faithful are unable to learn and/or recognize what Kevin's motives were, then they deserve each other and the game of pool doesn't need them anyway.

A lot of Kevin's closest and most vocal supporters in the beginning are some of his harshest and disillusioned non-supporters today. There are reasons for that and I am not one of those reasons. Some people cannot or will not look at those reasons honestly and sadly those are the people that will fall for it again in the future. Sometimes when people are hellbent on failure, you should just let go and let them go down that path and learn those lessons for themselves.
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Amen David...I was one of the early vocal supporters of the IPT concept.
Not any more...:(

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Ruthless said:
I know at least 10 former IPT players and everyone would love to have 5 minutes alone with KT. Not one would ever play another event that he even had read the brochure from.
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I think you give those pool players WAY too much credit.

If he held another pool tournament, it wouldn't matter what kind of crazy sh*t KT promised, the majority of those 10 would STILL play.

You wanna know why? I'll tell you why.. Three simple words explain why.

JUST IN CASE.

"Just in case" he comes through. That is what drives all these deluded people on the forum to give KT a chance to make good, and it drives them to hope that KT will start running more tournaments.

What would happen if KT said he was gonna run another tournament, is those 10 players would carpool, splitting costs for gas, and would jam 10 players into the cheapest motel room they can find, and try to minimize the financial damage that KT could do to them, and they would treat any money they won like it didn't exist, until they actually got cash in hand.

Please don't be deluded into thinking the pool players would boycott KT's future tournaments "on principle".

That is just being naive.

Russ
 
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Russ Chewning said:
I think you give those pool players WAY too much credit.

If he held another pool tournament, it wouldn't matter what kind of crazy sh*t KT promised, the majority of those 10 would STILL play.

You wanna know why? I'll tell you why.. Three simple words explain why.

JUST IN CASE.

"Just in case" he comes through. That is what drives all these deluded people on the forum to give KT a chance to make good, and it drives them to hope that KT will start running more tournaments.

What would happen if KT said he was gonna run another tournament, is those 10 players would carpool, splitting costs for gas, and would jam 10 players into the cheapest motel room they can find, and try to minimize the financial damage that KT could do to them, and they would treat any money they won like it didn't exist, until they actually got cash in hand.

Please don't be deluded into thinking the pool players would boycott KT's future tournaments "on principle".

That is just being naive.

Russ
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Russ;

While that may be true of many of the second tier players, I would find it hard to believe that very many of the top players would even consider doing what you suggest. The IPT was comprised of players from around the world, thats alot of gas money, and many of them are the players that emulate the class we, or perhaps just I, would like to see in the future of my favorite sport. Without them, there wouldn't be any large tournament because it wouldn't be marketable.

Do you think A. Fisher, K. Corr, GYK or virtually any of the top women players would participate?

I do understand what your saying, sadly there is alot of truth to it as it relates to the way professional pool is financially starving. Perhaps I am setting my sights too high, it hasn't changed too much since I started playing over 40 years ago.

Mike
 
Thanks for a voice of reason!

SpiderWebComm said:
I'm confused why you're waiving the IPT flag just because another check was sent out. That's like you drilling some schmuck out of $5k in a set of pool, get stiffed and then 10 months later that person still owes you $2k and you're cheering about getting paid only part of what is owed.

What about the vendors and business partners of the IPT? Although I know of others, I can only speak of myself. My company, for example, was told my Deno and the rest of his team that they had an "unlimited budget" just one day before the matches started in Reno. Confused, because my partner and I have never heard of such crap before, we asked what that meant exactly. Deno replied, "that's how Kevin operates." (like he's mac-money)

We lost a lot of money with the IPT with no chance of getting paid back--- and the IPT has refused to pay what's owed. My company, which isn't in the pool industry, made an attempt to make something good happen and got screwed.

It's my personal opinion the whole thing was a sham at the end (the Ho deal, etc.) and we were used by the IPT to "take a swing" and finance their multimedia part of their operation.

I can go on and on... but it's humorous how some people still wave the IPT flag. Unreal.
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:rolleyes: IMO! anyone that isn't one of the many players stiffed and now receiving bits and drabs of the money they are owed ! that is making post trying to gather support for this con man and his antics has to be either insane or part of the con! When Rodney or one of the many players that got taken in this scam say this I might consider their words but hearing these thoughts from some unknown LOL! poster :D makes me laugh :p Spider sorry to hear that you were one of the many victims :(
 
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TX Poolnut said:
This post was so full of bad grammer.....QUOTE]


When criticizing someone's bad 'grammer', it's important to actually spell grammar correctly.... imo :)
Dug
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Now Doug, are you sure he wasn't refering to someone's GrandMa?

ps - love the new Ava<is he 'chewing'?>

Dale
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no change

Russ you are 100% right. Kevin has made a lifelong habit of preying on desperate people and there is still no shortage of world class pool players that are desperate. There might be a name or two missing but if Satan himself offered a big money tournament he would fill the field with ease.

Hu


Russ Chewning said:
I think you give those pool players WAY too much credit.

If he held another pool tournament, it wouldn't matter what kind of crazy sh*t KT promised, the majority of those 10 would STILL play.

You wanna know why? I'll tell you why.. Three simple words explain why.

JUST IN CASE.

"Just in case" he comes through. That is what drives all these deluded people on the forum to give KT a chance to make good, and it drives them to hope that KT will start running more tournaments.

What would happen if KT said he was gonna run another tournament, is those 10 players would carpool, splitting costs for gas, and would jam 10 players into the cheapest motel room they can find, and try to minimize the financial damage that KT could do to them, and they would treat any money they won like it didn't exist, until they actually got cash in hand.

Please don't be deluded into thinking the pool players would boycott KT's future tournaments "on principle".

That is just being naive.

Russ
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smashmouth said:
I could care less about companies like yours, what have companies like yours done for the players? Companies like yours are part of the problem.

IPT tried to be part of the solution.

I care about the players, 5 million already paid is a decent enough start.

They're trying to make good on their debt
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All the IPT did was SEVERELY hurt the players -- whether they're paid in full or not. Because of the IPT, you probably won't see any corporate sponsorship of pool (outside of the pool industry) for some time to come. The IPT has damaged the integrity of the sport so much, it'll be hard to know the full fallout for years to come.

Smashmouth...whoever you are...you're so retarded I feel like I can't even debate you. It'd be getting into a battle of wits with a mongoloid and then bragging I won.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I'm confused why you're waiving the IPT flag just because another check was sent out. That's like you drilling some schmuck out of $5k in a set of pool, get stiffed and then 10 months later that person still owes you $2k and you're cheering about getting paid only part of what is owed.

What about the vendors and business partners of the IPT? Although I know of others, I can only speak of myself. My company, for example, was told my Deno and the rest of his team that they had an "unlimited budget" just one day before the matches started in Reno. Confused, because my partner and I have never heard of such crap before, we asked what that meant exactly. Deno replied, "that's how Kevin operates." (like he's mac-money)

We lost a lot of money with the IPT with no chance of getting paid back--- and the IPT has refused to pay what's owed. My company, which isn't in the pool industry, made an attempt to make something good happen and got screwed.

It's my personal opinion the whole thing was a sham at the end (the Ho deal, etc.) and we were used by the IPT to "take a swing" and finance their multimedia part of their operation.

I can go on and on... but it's humorous how some people still wave the IPT flag. Unreal.
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Do you have the content from the IPT? Could you sue and take the content as partial payment? I would subscribe to a video service if YOU were in charge of and the money were going to your company.
 
So ShootingArts Hu is not taking over the IPT? Its some joker named Ho now?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
All the IPT did was SEVERELY hurt the players -- whether they're paid in full or not. Because of the IPT, you probably won't see any corporate sponsorship of pool (outside of the pool industry) for some time to come. The IPT has damaged the integrity of the sport so much, it'll be hard to know the full fallout for years to come.

Smashmouth...whoever you are...you're so retarded I feel like I can't even debate you. It'd be getting into a battle of wits with a mongoloid and then bragging I won.
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NOPE, gambling did that. Didn't you read the threat and MILLER BEER dropping its support of the World Summit of Pool in NYC AFTER observing the TD accepting side bets in full view of everyone?
 
Ayuh.. because don'tcha know... Big Beer is trying hard to maintain it's squeaky clean image. More likely is the fact the found out that no one watches pool on TV, because although we gamble at tournaments, WE DON'T DO IT IN FRONT OF THE FRIGGIN' CAMERA, which is where we NEED to be doing it to attract interest!

Squeaky clean, EVEN IF it could be attained in pool, WHICH IT CAN'T, is NOT the way to go!

Quit harping on a lame business model for pool that hasn't been relevant for at least 20 years!

Russ
 
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