SVB Best 10-ball Break...not really

sjm said:
Good one! Actually, count me among those that feel that nine ball was never broken in the first place.
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True. All these "issues" with the short-rack rotation games never existed, until a certain Corey Deuel put his thinking cap on (<gasp!> a pool player that is actually capable of using his noggin during a rotation game?) and figured out the rack with unconventional breaking techniques. That seemed to have opened Pandora's box, to the situation we face today.

-Sean
 
Originaly Posted by Westcoast
Today, 11:44 AM
Actually, I think a good adjustment would be to play 9 ball with the 9 ball racked on the point rather than the 1- like the Earl/SVB match


I didn't see the Earl/SVB match.
But I've never seen the 9 racked on the point rather than the 1-Ball.
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9 Ball, 10 Ball, 11 Ball...

It really doesn't matter. Until it goes to neutral party racking with a triangle the guys who are breaking best that week will finish near the top.

And since that isn't going to happen anytime soon, rotation based games are basically a breaking contest at the pro level.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
9 Ball, 10 Ball, 11 Ball...

It really doesn't matter. Until it goes to neutral party racking with a triangle the guys who are breaking best that week will finish near the top.

And since that isn't going to happen anytime soon, rotation based games are basically a breaking contest at the pro level.
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Amen to that broham. Rack em Sausage..
 
itsfroze said:
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Unless I am still asleep and don't have my thinking cap on correctly I think people need to reread the quote above they were commenting on maybe?


Quote: Posted at 1:47 PM
Originally Posted by TheThaiger View Post

That's standard in the UK and the rest of europe, I think. Much more challenging.


Quote: Posted at 2:05 PM
Originally Posted by Sfleinen View Post

This is used on the ESPN Challenge of Champions too, if I'm not mistaken. Although racking with the 9-ball on the spot minimizes the wired wing-balls into the corner pockets, it now introduces a wired 1-ball into the side pocket using a cut-break.

That's the problem with the diamond-shaped rack; it's vulnerable to wired balls, due to the carom angles in the rack itself.
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I'm confused by this post
 
sfleinen said:
True. All these "issues" with the short-rack rotation games never existed, until a certain Corey Deuel put his thinking cap on ...
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Sure they did. Corey just revealed a new issue. "Slop counts" 9-ball has always been broken for professional events. Grady Mathews campaigned against it for decades.
 
sjm said:
Once everyone masters the ten ball break, we'll hear about how ten ball is broken and we'll move on to eleven ball.
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Probably, and the general public will be just as uninterested and the game will go absolutely nowhere for that next decade that follows.

You know what break is "not" broken and which game the public actually understand and might actually watch? 8-ball.

Rotation pool and the endless decades long effort to push it and make an actual professional sport that fans want to watch out of it has failed 100% and in a act of pure insanity the people who have the power in the sport keep trying to do the same bloody thing and expect different results.

8-ball on the new 10-foot diamonds with the TAR size 4 1/8th inch pockets is the best bet this sport has to actually start to go somewhere.

Forget Bonus Ball, forget 9-ball, forget 10-ball, forget straight pool, forget 1-pocket, the public have made it REALLY clear that 8-ball is the game they understand and enjoy playing and it is the ONLY game that has a chacne to actually get them watching.
 
Celtic said:
You know what break is "not" broken and which game the public actually understand and might actually watch? 8-ball.

Forget Bonus Ball, forget 9-ball, forget 10-ball, forget straight pool, forget 1-pocket, the public have made it REALLY clear that 8-ball is the game they understand and enjoy playing and it is the ONLY game that has a chacne to actually get them watching.
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Agreed. I've argued for about twenty years that the pros should be playing eight ball, but I don't see it happening. As long as the pros themselves determine what games suit them rather than thinking about what games suit the game's fans, we're gonna be stuck with rotation pool.

The IPT, in which more money was invested than any pool venture in history, understood that eight ball was its best chance to sell the game to the masses. Shame they didn't get much else right.
 
sfleinen said:
This is used on the ESPN Challenge of Champions too, if I'm not mistaken. Although racking with the 9-ball on the spot minimizes the wired wing-balls into the corner pockets, it now introduces a wired 1-ball into the side pocket using a cut-break.

That's the problem with the diamond-shaped rack; it's vulnerable to wired balls, due to the carom angles in the rack itself.

-Sean
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True, but we play the two at the back of the rack and the 3 point rule. I often get the one in the centre and one of the wing balls, but it's at the expense of generating enough power (with control) to make balls come past the head string to make it a legal break. Typically, I'll not have a shot on the two if the break is legal. Obviously there are those that are better breakers than me, so this won't be an issue to them.

Try my break and see how you go. If breaking from the left, put a LOAD of bottom left English and hit the one about half ball. The one should go in the right middle, with another one, often two, in the left hand bottom. The CB will screw off the side and the English will spin it past the headstring, however, with the two ball at the bottom of the table.

I hate getting murdered by people who've mastered the break. Doesn't seem fair.
 
This is gonna sound funny, but after watching a ton of old school Accu-Stats and other videos I think Mike Sigel was the most effective big breaker. Well, big breaker at the time. He, out of anyone else seemed to hit the ball square and park it. He seemed to always make a ball too. His control was awesome.

Anyone else feel the same way? I think his follow through down to the cloth put a different force on the cue ball.
 
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