SVB cheating? Shaw/SVB Derby 9 Ball

KMRUNOUT said:
You are mistaken on three counts.

1) the is no reason to assume that Shaw gave him a totally frozen rack from what you have said.

2) Shane most certainly did not hit them dead square. He used a cut break.

3) shane makes the wing ball because he does the break a person would do for a well frozen rack, not because he breaks like a monster.

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There were no soft breaks by Shane in either of the videos.
What the two videos together does prove is that Shane sinks wing balls from the box with racks given by Shaw, and racks done by himself.

You are still left to your opinion on what Shane's intention was, if the gaps were on purpose. My opinion is they weren't on purpose because he racks them, if there are gaps he breaks and makes the wing ball, if their aren't, he breaks and makes the wing ball.

Shane is that good.

We had two videos proving that Shane makes wing balls with Shaw approved racks, and now, with Shaw disapproved racks.

The only common trait between each video is Shane breaks from the box and makes the wing ball.

Shaw was mistaken in this situation. But he was an extreme professional when he lost to Shane 13 to 4 last year. Of course that is my opinion.
 
It's very obvious; at a big event like this there should ALWAYS be a referee that racks 'em.
Can't believe they're trying to save money on referees and they only come over if you call them.

Oh and by the way here's one of the rules on the Derby website:

"Player Etiquette
Whenever possible, you must be seated when your opponent is at the table. Intentionally distracting your opponent when it is their turn is unsportsmanlike conduct and will be penalized accordingly."
https://derbycityclassic.com/the-rules/


With that I will say...Go Patriots!!!! Oh yea baby....
 
Cardigan Kid said:
There were no soft breaks by Shane in either of the videos.
What the two videos together does prove is that Shane sinks wing balls from the box with racks given by Shaw, and racks done by himself.

You are still left to your opinion on what Shane's intention was, if the gaps were on purpose. My opinion is they weren't on purpose because he racks them, if there are gaps he breaks and makes the wing ball, if their aren't, he breaks and makes the wing ball.

Shane is that good.

We had two videos proving that Shane makes wing balls with Shaw approved racks, and now, with Shaw disapproved racks.

The only common trait between each video is Shane breaks from the box and makes the wing ball.

Shaw was mistaken in this situation. But he was an extreme professional when he lost to Shane 13 to 4 last year. Of course that is my opinion.
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The funniest part to me was after Shaw took his pictures, raked the balls and made a big issue about the gap. Shane calmly reracked, Shaw approved the rack, Shane broke made the wing ball and ran out.
 
LWD said:
If there is no referee, and it is rack your own, and as long as Shane is not engaged in pattern racking, then I don’t see where it is any of Shaw’s business how tight Shane’s rack is. And, especially, he has no right whatever to disturb Shane’s rack and demand he re-rack. It seems to me that Shaw is the one who is clearly and obviously engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct.
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So if I figure out where to leave gaps to make the nine dead, maybe by reading Joe Tucker's material, and I break in nine nines in a row on you, it's all good?

I've seen several pro's cheat with the rack. I've seen a TD tell one opponent to shut up and sit down when he complained about the cheat.

The break at nine ball is broken. Fix it or play ten ball. As Justin Bergman said above, it's no longer a good game for pros to play.
 
My opinion is your fingers should never be nudging or rotating balls period. Anything more than placing them in a rack randomly and pushing them together is too much manipulation
 
Cardigan Kid said:
As much as I'm a big fan of Jayson. He's off base here.
The last 3 racks Shane made the wing ball. I watched him do that to Jayson in the finals of Turning Stone 28 and Jayson was racking.

Shane just knows how to break from the box.

Now if Shane sank 3 9 balls in a row and intentionally left gaps in the back of the rack in order to do so, then that's a different story.

But making the wing ball and running out 8 balls in 3 consecutive racks is not cheating.

Does Jayson think even with an accu rack/magic rack Shane wouldn't be making the wing ball??
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Perfectly stated. Shaw is a whiny beeeeatch!
 
Justin Bergman said:
They all do it. That’s the only you can win a 9 ball tournament is to make the corner ball and get straight in in one ball. Shane isn’t doing anything that 20 other players are doing. 9 ball is way too much luck and it’s all just racking, you don’t need a good break you just need to know where to leave gaps & where to make them tight. 9 ball shouldn’t be played at high level it should be 10 ball, call shot, on really tight pockets. You can take the 2,000th best player in the world & he will rob the #1 player in the world if breaks better playing 9 ball it’s stupid game really.
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That's what im saying, so why is Jayson *****ing. Maybe he don't do that!:lmao:
 
Seems to me Shaw was playing w the rack as well plus “fingering” the balls. Only problem was Shaw wasn’t getting same result as Shane so turn on the sprinkler system. Cry cry cry.

That’s just my armchair/keyboard warrior POV. Take it as you must but I’m thinking the time Shane puts in practicing breaking was the difference not the rack itself.

Edit: thought they had to break from a break box in center of “kitchen” area. Guess I really don’t notice details first time watching. My original opinion still stands.


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Yeh ok, maybe "they all do it". So surely that makes it an appropriate time for the issue to be addressed.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Only at soft speed if hit square. Shane cut broke at that time marker. If you use a magic rack and break from the box, hit the front ball dead square and hard, no it does not go. With respect I'll take Joe Tucker's opinion over yours or Cardigans or anyone else's in this thread.

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You can take Joe Tucker's all you want. I would too, Racking Secrets is a phenomenal resource. Joe knows more about a 9-ball rack then I ever will...

However after shooting pool with a magic rack every damn day, I know for a fact that the wing ball will snap with a head on hit and no manipulation other then setting them on the magic rack and making sure they are tight.
 
Icon of Sin said:
You can take Joe Tucker's all you want. I would too, Racking Secrets is a phenomenal resource. Joe knows more about a 9-ball rack then I ever will...

However after shooting pool with a magic rack every damn day, I know for a fact that the wing ball will snap with a head on hit and no manipulation other then setting them on the magic rack and making sure they are tight.
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I 2nd that. :thumbup:
 
Black-Balled said:
Is this your first day on the 9ball train?

I will tell you something: it appears there may be ways to manipulate the rack. It appears a perfect rack leads to its own issues.

Shame somebody doesn't write a little book about it. He tucker a multi millionaire, un doobie-ly
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TheLoneSilencer said:
Clearly you don't know much about 10 ball if you think it is just one extra ball. The rack plays totally different. Yes, you can trick it a bit to help which is what I said Shane was doing for quite some time when I was shown exactly what he does. However even with that it still is tough to just make it a super easy run out table every time.
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I do know a lot about 10 ball. :)

But I don't think the answer is that simple
 
this weekend, Derby had several rotation gambling matches and they were all 10 ball!!!! Wonder why???

kd
 
King T said:
If what you say is correct then why is it that its always the same top players finishing at the top of every tournament? SVB, KO, Chung, Shaw, Dennis..., where are the chumps that just know how to play the rack?
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He wasn't talking about "chumps". He was talking about the 2000th best player in the world. The 2000th player is no chump, is pretty damn good and knows how to play pool and then some. His point was, I think, that if the 2000th best player has a breaking advantage over the best pool player then he or she is a favourite against the best player in the game of 9 ball. That advantage disappears to various degrees in other pool games where the break is less of a deciding factor in a single game.

The other reason that the same top players finish at the top of every (actually most) tournament is because the top players get to enter those tournaments by either qualifying or by paying to enter a tournament they know they have a chance of winning. The recreational players with huge bankrolls who are nearly as good as the best players are nowhere near the top 2000 (or whatever), have a chance against the pros in short races, can play the game and know it well, but are nowhere near good enough to win a tournament.
 
jrctherake said:
I will put up with the pearl and his antics but shaw, to me, his game is not worth all the drama.
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Shaw's "antics" have nothing on Earl's. You know that.

So Earl's game allows a certain amount of drama? Shaw's game is generally agreed to be right up there with the players of today - how much drama would you allow him to get away with? Is it a straightforward the better you are the more of a jerk you can be? And do you think players such as but not limited to SVB should be allowed to fix the rack because they are better players than those who shouldn't be allowed to fix the rack?
 
Swighey said:
Shaw's "antics" have nothing on Earl's. You know that.

So Earl's game allows a certain amount of drama? Shaw's game is generally agreed to be right up there with the players of today - how much drama would you allow him to get away with? Is it a straightforward the better you are the more of a jerk you can be? And do you think players such as but not limited to SVB should be allowed to fix the rack because they are better players than those who shouldn't be allowed to fix the rack?
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Holy cow, taking this personally? He did say “to me”, so clearly the answer to your questions are yes. Maybe switch to decaf, homie.
 
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