SVB is the best player on earth

[dundeewizard]

lmao, one of the single dumbest statements ever. Thank you

Go ask Darren and Mika if they would like to play Shane for some more cash like they did the last time that Shane destroyed them.

why is it dumb? Because it is true?

Now I am not saying Daz and mika would beat them i actually think daz would overall if they played 8.9.10 14.1 1 pocket.

but right bnow SVB is up ther with the other top players but he is not dominating like Daz and Mika did in their respective era's.

 

[TASK]

Geez, what's a guy gotta do to be considered the best around here? Apparently they have to win every tournament, dominate every player on the planet in gambling matches and exhibitions, all while playing any game to any number under any conditions in any format on any sized table, in every town in every country in the world. And they better not have ever lost to that one guy that one time playing that one game, because if they did... Well they must just not be the best.

I don't know if Shane is the best pool player alive today, but I can't see giving the title to anyone else while he's in the picture playing the way he is. And I'm sure not going to nit-pick and rationalize the title away from him.

 

[dundeewizard]

Some people just never will get it .

what do I not get exactly? Shane has not won a world championship. ok yes he wins long races at 10 ball on TAR matches. great maybe he is the best 10 ball player. what about daz accomplishments and mika's ? not even close

 

[RADAR]

don't agree with this. Having a year of complete domination against the world is not a requirement for being the best, although it's nice to have such a year on one's resume.

Shane is a superstar because he plays well year after year. He is one of few that has demonstrated sustained excellence of this magnitude.

i agree and his practice dictates that to! If we had more monies in pool i think many other players would come out of wood works to practice more as well. Wonder if alex has been playing recently. Don't hear much about him lately!

 

[td873]

Keith was also able to tell the future. For example, he predicted this thread when he uttered: "it's like a nightmare, isn't it? It just keeps getting worse and worse."

And that is ALSO why Keith is the best.

-td

 

[The Saw]

I look at it this way. A three-way tie between Shane, Darren and Dennis O.

Shane for his sheer dominance in the US, playing absolute brilliancy on a pool table. Whether it involves world class participants or not, his skill is undeniable and he performs at his absolute best and is great to watch under pressure. If he manages to win overseas, he will be regarded as the best under any circumstance and it would further erase any doubts to his overall capability.

Darren and Dennis for having won championships all over the world.

Darren Appleton has everything in his stellar resume but the world 8 ball in which he hopes to attain someday. He has developed a skill to play his game at the highest level no matter where the location of the event. Exceptional player and like Dennis, a threat to win any tourney he enters.

Lastly, we have Dennis O, a threat to win any tournament and gambling match from anywhere worldwide. Ends up in the finals frequently and honed his skills to seek and destroy opponents with surgical precision.

Cant really argue if you have any of the above as your best player.

Ask Darren if he wants to give Bartram the same weight SVB and Orcullo give him..... Once you get his answer everyone can just take him off the list.

 

[JB Cases]

Rare to disagree with you, but it's fun to talk about ^



How do you define sustained?

Shane's US Open wins: Shane wins 88 games, against players of varying quality, with a break every 11 wins.
Shane's Races to 100: Shane wins 100 games, shorter time frame, fewer breaks, playing ONLY world-class players.
I'd say the TAR match is clearly about sustained excellence.

You say a player can play poorly for a stretch in TAR and still win...
That seems highly theoretical, not a reflection of what actually happens.
From what I've seen it's very rare for players to fall more than 10 racks behind in a tar match and go on to win,
or drop 10 in a row unanswered but win anyway.

Just because the long race affords you the "time" to dig yourself out of a hole,
doesn't mean you have the will or skill to do it.



Every roll is magnified too in a short race, which somewhat taints the results.

Seeing players rise or fold when faced with pressure makes for good viewing, but we also tune in because
it's great production value and a fun format. Short races, slop counts, enforced hard breaks, etc... all very fun to watch.
Race to 100 is less fun to watch but that's not related to whether it's a better test of skill.

Let's put it another way. You are staking a guy who you think is the best in a group of players.
You feel they're all about equal except your horse has a 5% edge over the rest.
You want to ensure the BEST player wins and you want to preserve your bankroll..
Do you prefer he plays each of them in a series of races to 11? Or he plays one of them to 100?



No event has ALL of the giants present, and most tournaments are not round robin.
You're always facing only a limited subset of champions at the end of the bracket.

So in your opinion, how many champions does a player have to beat before
that particular tournament is, let's call it a top-tier or world-class victory?

Can you think of an example where, between Shane, Darren, Dennis, Busty and Alex...
one of those players had to beat the other 4? How about 3 of them?

Also, another comment regarding the popular "TAR players get paid so it's less pressure and not a real test of skill" theory.
Don't you get paid just to show up in the mosconi cup? Handsomely too, $7,500.
And yet they play their nuts off.

Not only is it rare to fall behind by a large margin and still win a tar match I think only two players have done it.

Alex when he beat Shane and Shane when he beat Donny Mills.

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

Here's something to think about. A lot of people who really dont know how a person plays will look on AZBs homepage for instance and see World Champion and immediately give that individual the moniker, which is fine. Now, change the name of this years World 9 Ball Championship in Qater to the Qatar Open and see how it sounds, or the World 10 Ball Championship to the Manila Open....etc. Now change the US Open to the World 9 Ball Open...... A lot of 'World Championship' tournaments have lots of players no one has heard of just like the US Open does. How can anyone be called the best in the world when there are lots of players out there that play 'champion' speed and never make it out of their hometown probably, impossible.

Lots of players have real good records on paper tournament wise, but SVB has a pretty good one 1on1 wise as well. Not saying hes the greatest but just throwing out some aspects.

Alex said it best about himself once, but if you flip flop the names it will sum up everything

"Shane's not saying hes the best, but whoever says they are...ask them if they want to play him some"

 

[1on1pooltournys]

Best player on earth...

This is simply a statement that has so may variables it is hard to argue.

In my opinion, to figure out who the BEST PLAYER ON EARTH is would take some serious experimentation and a lot of data collection and sorts. Simply put, hours upon days upon weeks upon months perhaps years of playing between some of the elite players. All games would be required etc.

SVB may be the BEST PLAYER ON EARTH in certain tournament formats and not in others. He may be the BEST PLAYER ON EARTH in some gambling environments and not others. There are many things that come into play. I'm not gonna lay it all out, most will be able to come up with them on their own.

No matter what resolution would come of it all, there is NO DOUBT that SVB is 1 of the BEST PLAYERS ON EARTH .

 

[CJ Wiley]

Tournament players and gamblers have always been different, but in Shane's case.....

Ask Darren if he wants to give Bartram the same weight SVB and Orcullo give him..... Once you get his answer everyone can just take him off the list.

That's a great point, and also Mika and Ralph S. don't ever gamble so does that mean they've never been on top? Tournament players and gamblers have always been different, but in Shane's case he's tops in both categories.

Shane has a higher speed than all the players in the world, there's no question in really long matches his break will overcome them playing 9 Ball, 10 Ball, 8 Ball, and he's also one of the best one pocket players after just a few years of playing it.....go figure.

Until another player is willing to put in the time and effort to play like Shane he will remain on top. He also gets to play in more "Extra" curricular tournaments/challenge matches so he's extremely fine tuned compared to every other player on earth.

"Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong." Dennis Miller

 

[Johnnyt]

Shane is probably the best rotation player (not including 15 ball) in races over 50. He even could be the best from 25 on up to 100. In rotation races under 25 there are a half a dozen or more that over multi-sets can hold there own with him or beat him. IMO of course. Johnnyt

 

[peteypooldude]

Shane is probably the best rotation player (not including 15 ball) in races over 50. He even could be the best from 25 on up to 100. In rotation races under 25 there are a half a dozen or more that over multi-sets can hold there own with him or beat him. IMO of course. Johnnyt

I would have to agree Johnnyt
In a shorter format it increases their odds for sure

 

[ideologist]

why is it dumb? Because it is true?

Now I am not saying Daz and mika would beat them i actually think daz would overall if they played 8.9.10 14.1 1 pocket.

but right bnow SVB is up ther with the other top players but he is not dominating like Daz and Mika did in their respective era's.

I don't think anyone on Earth would play him in that set of games. He likes to lay 8-packs+ on people in 8/9/10, runs 200+ in 14.1, and has taken it down at DCC repeatedly for One Hole. I don't know if he has won the banks there, but I think you just described a monster by accident, ha. No one would play that set with him, even. That's my idea of best. He always has the best of it, in an even race.

 

[markgw]

what do I not get exactly? Shane has not won a world championship. ok yes he wins long races at 10 ball on TAR matches. great maybe he is the best 10 ball player. what about daz accomplishments and mika's ? not even close

Mika or Daz cannot beat Shane though...so how can they be considered better?? I doubt Mika would even attempt to play Shane without weight after the bashing he took from him on Mika's home court, on Mika's choice table in New York..

 

[real bartram]

what do I not get exactly? Shane has not won a world championship. ok yes he wins long races at 10 ball on TAR matches. great maybe he is the best 10 ball player. what about daz accomplishments and mika's ? not even close

Here is what I'll do
Every tourney Svb plays in that Daz plays in
You have Daz to go further I have Svb
Same you have mika I have Svb
So 2 diff bets if your on the good action list let me know how much you want to bet

 

[peteypooldude]

Mika or Daz cannot beat Shane though...so how can they be considered better?? I doubt Mika would even attempt to play Shane without weight after the bashing he took from him on Mika's home court, on Mika's choice table in New York..

Shane's got brass balls for sure

 

[fluidstroke]

Chris if you get a bet can I please get half?

 

[dundeewizard]

Here is what I'll do
Every tourney Svb plays in that Daz plays in
You have Daz to go further I have Svb
Same you have mika I have Svb
So 2 diff bets if your on the good action list let me know how much you want to bet

Easily, just need Daz, Mika has come into form but not the same he was in mid 00's when I described him as the best.

I'll be at Mosconi so will see if SVB can get a winning percentage in that tournament, additionally i'll be doing the west coast swing after that so yea thats fine. think it will come out even btu i've better chance of winning at hard times as SVb gets a little twitchy on the tighter pockets.

Just to clarify my points were not that SVb is not as good or could be as other players its that "the best player on earth" is a bold statement and I think Mika and daz earned that title by their overall records in there prominent years and if this is SVB's time then where is all the domination that the others showed? e.g mosconi, all the world evets, international challenge of champions etc, also Mika an Daz haven't did too bad at the US open either

 

[JB Cases]

This all reminds me of the story about Don Willis at a tournament. Don was a legendary road man who was reportedly triple tough for the cash to the point that Lassiter said he would pick Don if a player had to shoot a shot for his life.

Anyway, Don is at this event and all the players have been asked to fill out forms with all their titles. Don doesn't fill one out. The promoter insists and Don says let me see the other guy's sheets. He pulls out the one with the most titles and scrawls on it, "I beat him".

 

[real bartram]

Easily, just need Daz, Mika has come into form but not the same he was in mid 00's when I described him as the best.

I'll be at Mosconi so will see if SVB can get a winning percentage in that tournament, additionally i'll be doing the west coast swing after that so yea thats fine. think it will come out even btu i've better chance of winning at hard times as SVb gets a little twitchy on the tighter pockets.

Just to clarify my points were not that SVb is not as good or could be as other players its that "the best player on earth" is a bold statement and I think Mika and daz earned that title by their overall records in there prominent years and if this is SVB's time then where is all the domination that the others showed? e.g mosconi, all the world evets, international challenge of champions etc, also Mika an Daz haven't did too bad at the US open either

I could not tell how much are we betting?