the bonus ball reference as a possible gambling game was for comedy purposes only.
There have been times in the past (most recently, Mika Immonen about 5 years ago) when a player has simply been dominant enough over his peers to be called "best player on earth" (quoting the OP). This day and time, I do not think there is a player that is so dominating to deserve that title. Today's players are so closely matched that it's a virtual coin-toss as to who might win a match/tournament on any given day.
SVB is certainly (as others have already alluded to) USA's best player, but not even then by a HUGE margin. There are still a few other players in America that can still "bring it" when the heat is on.
Maniac
Shane beat the consensus best rotation player in the world by 19 games.
If you had to pick one player, from anywhere in the world, and put up $100K of your money to play a race to 50 ten ball. Who would you pick? I know it's close, but I would pick Shane now, over all of the Pinoys. (not familiar enough with the other Asians to say that)
I agree with pretty much everything else you said. But I don't think Shane's win over Dennis at TAR 35 makes him decisively the better player. Lets not forget Dennis also beat Shane in an all-around at TAR 29 a year earlier. I would also point out that the TAR studio is not neutral territory for these two guys.
If they play on neutral ground then my money would be on Orcullo.
When mika was doing that
He played Svb a race to 100 on Mikas home table Svb won 100 to around 80
How is it not neutral territory?
Seriously. I hear that shit all the time and it makes me nuts.
Its a diamond table in a 1200 sq ft room. Where is the big home field advantage?
you cannot say he is the best because simply he has not proven he is the outright best. Cant win a game abroad, not exactly a demon in straight pool or one pocket is he?
and the euors an pinoys geez appletone didnt know the rules and won teh DCC 14.1 and orcullo won teh us open 1 pocket and they dont play that game either so you cannot compare simply
SVB is def up there with top in world undisputed but to say he is the best is simply stupid.
I didn't mean it as a slight against you or anyone. I'm a big TAR fan and a big Shane fan. But that doesn't change the facts. The studio is in the US. Shane is an American player. Obviously it is not neutral for someone to fly across 16 time zones from the Philippines and play an American player on US soil.
If you truly think the TAR studio offers no home field advantage, how do you explain the drastic difference in Shane's play between TAR matches and his international events?
There are many ways to look at this. Didn't Mika, Can, Appleton and Feijen all play in the U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship?
I wonder if all six of your mentions would gamble with him at 10 Ball? That being said, I don't believe being able to beat someone gambling means that you are the best. It is just another dimension or way of gauging someone's ability to play pool while their money or someone else's money is on the line. I think tournaments are the best way to determine who is the best.
If Shane isn't the best rotation player, then who is?
Personally, I think Shane is young enough, talented enough and determined enough to eclipse Strickland's MAGNICIFICENT U.S. Open 9 Ball record.
JoeyA
you cannot say he is the best because simply he has not proven he is the outright best. Cant win a game abroad, not exactly a demon in straight pool or one pocket is he?
and the euors an pinoys geez appletone didnt know the rules and won teh DCC 14.1 and orcullo won teh us open 1 pocket and they dont play that game either so you cannot compare simply
SVB is def up there with top in world undisputed but to say he is the best is simply stupid.
Has Shane beat Bustamante? I think I know what your saying though .the betting line would still favor Shane . I would still bet on Shane
Can you show me somewhere that someone played poorly for a long stretch in a TAR match and still won?
Before you say Alex/Shane in 2008 go watch the match. Alex didnt play bad. Shane played like god to build a lead then Alex played like god to pull it back.
If you believe that someone who wins short races to 11 is a better player than someone who wins races to 100 then we have different definitions of what makes a great player.
Shane beat the consensus best rotation player in the world by 19 games. No european player will even consider playing him a long race of ten ball. There is no one on earth who would be an even money bet in a long race of ten ball.
He has won more US opens than anyone but Earl. He is not yet 30 years old.
But none of that means anything I guess.
As soon as I read that I looked just like that gif saying "WHAT???"
Shane is one of only two people to win back to back DCC one pockets....
Anyone who thinks Shane isn't a top one hole player hasn't been paying attention.
Jaden
He did. Two out of three races to 25.
Only person to ever win over Shane in a race to 100 is Alex in 2008.
Shane won the rematch. So maybe a rubber match at some point is in order.