SVB is the best player on earth

There have been times in the past (most recently, Mika Immonen about 5 years ago) when a player has simply been dominant enough over his peers to be called "best player on earth" (quoting the OP). This day and time, I do not think there is a player that is so dominating to deserve that title. Today's players are so closely matched that it's a virtual coin-toss as to who might win a match/tournament on any given day.

SVB is certainly (as others have already alluded to) USA's best player, but not even then by a HUGE margin. There are still a few other players in America that can still "bring it" when the heat is on.

Maniac

When mika was doing that
He played Svb a race to 100 on Mikas home table Svb won 100 to around 80
 
Shane beat the consensus best rotation player in the world by 19 games.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said. But I don't think Shane's win over Dennis at TAR 35 makes him decisively the better player. Lets not forget Dennis also beat Shane in an all-around at TAR 29 a year earlier. I would also point out that the TAR studio is not neutral territory for these two guys.

If you had to pick one player, from anywhere in the world, and put up $100K of your money to play a race to 50 ten ball. Who would you pick? I know it's close, but I would pick Shane now, over all of the Pinoys. (not familiar enough with the other Asians to say that)

If they play on neutral ground then my money would be on Orcullo.
 
I agree with pretty much everything else you said. But I don't think Shane's win over Dennis at TAR 35 makes him decisively the better player. Lets not forget Dennis also beat Shane in an all-around at TAR 29 a year earlier. I would also point out that the TAR studio is not neutral territory for these two guys.



If they play on neutral ground then my money would be on Orcullo.

How is it not neutral territory?

Seriously. I hear that shit all the time and it makes me nuts.

Its a diamond table in a 1200 sq ft room. Where is the big home field advantage?

Never have all the same people been to watch a match so its a different crowd each time. Whenever he has played a pinoy there are way more pinoy fans than anyone else in the room. The most it can hold is twenty people who never say a word. The only time Shane plays on the table is when its during a match. He might hit balls for two hours the day or two leading up to it. Just like whoever he is playing does.

Some people seem to have the idea Shane lives in the studio playing nonstop for weeks leading up to a match or something. Its just not how it is.
 
When mika was doing that
He played Svb a race to 100 on Mikas home table Svb won 100 to around 80

That doesnt count.

They played on a weekend. If they would of played during the week it would of been totally different.
 
How is it not neutral territory?

Seriously. I hear that shit all the time and it makes me nuts.

Its a diamond table in a 1200 sq ft room. Where is the big home field advantage?

I didn't mean it as a slight against you or anyone. I'm a big TAR fan and a big Shane fan. But that doesn't change the facts. The studio is in the US. Shane is an American player. Obviously it is not neutral for someone to fly across 16 time zones from the Philippines and play an American player on US soil.

If you truly think the TAR studio offers no home field advantage, how do you explain the drastic difference in Shane's play between TAR matches and his international events?
 
Long races don't mean anything! What! If given the chance would you be better off playing Tiger Woods thirty six holes or five holes? Get real people. Many players can win short races, but the best player usually wins the long ones. Name the top five players in the world, my money is on Shane and I'm gonna sleep like a baby. No one has the heart and determination as SVB!
 
Has Shane beat Bustamante? I think I know what your saying though .the betting line would still favor Shane . I would still bet on Shane
 
you cannot say he is the best because simply he has not proven he is the outright best. Cant win a game abroad, not exactly a demon in straight pool or one pocket is he?

and the euors an pinoys geez appletone didnt know the rules and won teh DCC 14.1 and orcullo won teh us open 1 pocket and they dont play that game either so you cannot compare simply

SVB is def up there with top in world undisputed but to say he is the best is simply stupid.
 
you cannot say he is the best because simply he has not proven he is the outright best. Cant win a game abroad, not exactly a demon in straight pool or one pocket is he?

and the euors an pinoys geez appletone didnt know the rules and won teh DCC 14.1 and orcullo won teh us open 1 pocket and they dont play that game either so you cannot compare simply

SVB is def up there with top in world undisputed but to say he is the best is simply stupid.
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I didn't mean it as a slight against you or anyone. I'm a big TAR fan and a big Shane fan. But that doesn't change the facts. The studio is in the US. Shane is an American player. Obviously it is not neutral for someone to fly across 16 time zones from the Philippines and play an American player on US soil.

If you truly think the TAR studio offers no home field advantage, how do you explain the drastic difference in Shane's play between TAR matches and his international events?

I agree with you that SVB playing in the TAR studio is like the yankees playing at yankees stadium. In the 37 TAR matches so far Shane has been featured in like 30+? of them, nobody has been in that studio more than Shane except for Justin himself...lol.

As for who's the best, i don't care. Shane beats everyone playing in the US and gets beaten by everyone outside the US, seems like there is no world winner to me. As soon as Shane wins one of the big ones in Dubai it will be hard to argue against him.
 
There are many ways to look at this. Didn't Mika, Can, Appleton and Feijen all play in the U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship?

I wonder if all six of your mentions would gamble with him at 10 Ball? That being said, I don't believe being able to beat someone gambling means that you are the best. It is just another dimension or way of gauging someone's ability to play pool while their money or someone else's money is on the line. I think tournaments are the best way to determine who is the best.

If Shane isn't the best rotation player, then who is?

Personally, I think Shane is young enough, talented enough and determined enough to eclipse Strickland's MAGNICIFICENT U.S. Open 9 Ball record.

JoeyA

There is no question that Shane can top Earl's mark at the open, but as you know it's so difficult to win tournaments of this magnitude just once let alone three times. Look at all the hall of famers that never won this tournament. It will be interesting to see what happens if Shane doesn't catch or pass Earl by the time he is 40. At what point does he burn out. Take Sigel for instance, by the time he reached 40 he stopped dominating tournaments and wasn't even playing many events. Varner on the other hand was at his best at 40 when he won back to back US Opens.

I personally do believe he is the best rotation player in the world and I would like to see him beat Earl's record. Hopefully there will still be a US Open in further years and there always the chance that Earl could sneak in one more title although unlikely.
 
you cannot say he is the best because simply he has not proven he is the outright best. Cant win a game abroad, not exactly a demon in straight pool or one pocket is he?

and the euors an pinoys geez appletone didnt know the rules and won teh DCC 14.1 and orcullo won teh us open 1 pocket and they dont play that game either so you cannot compare simply

SVB is def up there with top in world undisputed but to say he is the best is simply stupid.

What on earth did you just attempt to say?
 
Can you show me somewhere that someone played poorly for a long stretch in a TAR match and still won?

Before you say Alex/Shane in 2008 go watch the match. Alex didnt play bad. Shane played like god to build a lead then Alex played like god to pull it back.

If you believe that someone who wins short races to 11 is a better player than someone who wins races to 100 then we have different definitions of what makes a great player.

Shane beat the consensus best rotation player in the world by 19 games. No european player will even consider playing him a long race of ten ball. There is no one on earth who would be an even money bet in a long race of ten ball.

He has won more US opens than anyone but Earl. He is not yet 30 years old.

But none of that means anything I guess.

Johnny Archer and Francisco Bustamante is even money playing him in any race in 10-ball
 
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Dude that is funny....


As soon as I read that I looked just like that gif saying "WHAT???"

Shane is one of only two people to win back to back DCC one pockets....

Anyone who thinks Shane isn't a top one hole player hasn't been paying attention.

Jaden
 
As soon as I read that I looked just like that gif saying "WHAT???"

Shane is one of only two people to win back to back DCC one pockets....

Anyone who thinks Shane isn't a top one hole player hasn't been paying attention.

Jaden

Exactly. I don't think you will find anyone who will try to give him any weight like used to happen as he was learning the game. And probably not many, if any, are licking their chops to play him even.
 
It's hard to argue against Shane being the best player on earth at this point.

And you know what the scary thing is: He still practices harder than anyone.

He's like the Tiger Wood: always strive for improvements.

That's why they are champions.
 
He did. Two out of three races to 25.

Only person to ever win over Shane in a race to 100 is Alex in 2008.

Shane won the rematch. So maybe a rubber match at some point is in order.

If you count the 10 foot match, Earl beat Shane as well in a race to 100
 
I'll say this: If I had to put money on any player in rotation, it would be Shane, with no question whatsoever.

As far as 8 ball is concerned, I'd still have to go with him. Straight pool, 1P, etc becomes a bit more cloudy.

Would anybody take anybody else in rotation?
 
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