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maha

from way back when
Silver Member
i did get that but was sending a message along the way. thanks for that post.
 

Colonel

Raised by Wolves in a Pool Hall
Silver Member
Aren't all of these "top player" lists pretty subjective? What makes your opinion better?
How did I say it was better? It’s my opinion that is derived as a “evaluation of horse flesh” if you will but that evaluation is what formulates my opinion, not fanboy adoration like others.
 

easy-e

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
How did I say it was better? It’s my opinion that is derived as a “evaluation of horse flesh” if you will but that evaluation is what formulates my opinion, not fanboy adoration like others.
Sorry for my poor choice of words. Forget "better", how about "more accurate"?
 

fjk

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Didn’t one of those two guys recently say they didn’t want to play Alex?

Something along the lines of: he puts me in too many places where I don’t know what to do.

Lou Figueroa
Today's top players have changed one pocket into a different game. In the old days, when balls weren't run as easily as today, there were more battels in every rack. Those with a lot of one pocket knowledge had a bigger advantage than today. Now, you might see a pro one pocket specialist execute a shot their opponent doesn't know or wouldn't have thought of once every 5 or 6 racks. In short, that quote above from Gorst about not knowing what to do doesn't happen very often, and when it does, he'll just push out somewhere and take the intentional. Once he gets his chance, he'll get that ball back pretty effortlessly.

Along those same lines, Shane has an interesting one pocket strategy; he doesn't even try to do anything really fancy, risky, or creative. He doesn't need to. And despite his shot making ability, he doesn't even play that aggressively. He tends to shoot the simplest, lowest risk shot. When it's his turn to run balls though, he does that better than most. That boring, vanilla style has suited him fairly well for someone that doesn't play or enjoy one pocket.
 

Colonel

Raised by Wolves in a Pool Hall
Silver Member
Sorry for my poor choice of words. Forget "better", how about "more accurate"?
Why don’t we make this easy. Ask Shane if he thinks he’s one of top 4 1P players in the world. Perhaps if he told you he isn’t that would appease you.
 

23DenaliBDE

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
You could surely be right, as I don't know nor have I ever met, SVB. But, If you have followed SVB's facebook feed over the past decade or longer, you would definitely not say this. He has called out and woofed at dozens, offered to "bet his own" more times than you can count, and has said many times he would play anyone, for any amount, if the game is right.

I think the difference is the relationship with MR. I would not be surprised if they didn't request that he back away from that type of stuff. At about the same time the 60 minutes interview came out and he publicly disavowed gambling, thus painting himself in a corner, so to speak.

Plus, if you recall his response video to Fedor woofing at him and calling him out, he seemed so laid back and content that I think he is enjoying some of the young guys taking the pressure/spotlight off of him. I never expected to see SVB admit that he probably can't beat Fedor in a long 9 ball race.
i don’t doubt anything you said, especially the painting himself into a corner part. I still think the manner in which Tony came across is disgustingly classless. Some people don’t mind it. More power to them
 

maha

from way back when
Silver Member
maybe shane feels bad for tony with his skin condition and doesnt want to take the money people have donated to him for the medicine he asked for.
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Today's top players have changed one pocket into a different game. In the old days, when balls weren't run as easily as today, there were more battels in every rack. Those with a lot of one pocket knowledge had a bigger advantage than today. Now, you might see a pro one pocket specialist execute a shot their opponent doesn't know or wouldn't have thought of once every 5 or 6 racks. In short, that quote above from Gorst about not knowing what to do doesn't happen very often, and when it does, he'll just push out somewhere and take the intentional. Once he gets his chance, he'll get that ball back pretty effortlessly.

Along those same lines, Shane has an interesting one pocket strategy; he doesn't even try to do anything really fancy, risky, or creative. He doesn't need to. And despite his shot making ability, he doesn't even play that aggressively. He tends to shoot the simplest, lowest risk shot. When it's his turn to run balls though, he does that better than most. That boring, vanilla style has suited him fairly well for someone that doesn't play or enjoy one pocket.

I'm not sure I agree with your thought about difficult puzzles not coming up often and when they do the solution being a push out.

Having watched many of Alex's matches he really does -- frequently -- put his opponent in spots where it takes deep 1pocket knowledge and skill to escape the trap without selling out.

Lou Figueroa
 

stevelomako

America the Beautiful
Silver Member
This is me looking for somebody who is making a living betting against Shane.
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Point the binoculars towards a crap table. 🫣


SVB has also publicly made his dislike of gambling clear. One more reason to add to the list of reasons he may not have felt like playing the classless idiot.
Shane likes to gamble. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Well, I guess he might not like it but he does it.
 

maha

from way back when
Silver Member
true as blue lou. but with their great ball pocketing their selling out ratio goes way down.

to put more one pocket back in the game playing two and stop would be great and also negate much of the intentional scratches value.
 

easy-e

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Why don’t we make this easy. Ask Shane if he thinks he’s one of top 4 1P players in the world. Perhaps if he told you he isn’t that would appease you.
I don't give a crap either way. You just come off like the all-knowing expert on the subject and I wanted to know why. You think anyone who considers SVB top 5 is a "fanboy". The people on the other side of the debate would consider you a "hater". It can't and won't be proven either way, so why all the dialogue? For the record, I won't play anyone in the top 500 without a spot.
 

fjk

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I'm not sure I agree with your thought about difficult puzzles not coming up often and when they do the solution being a push out.

Having watched many of Alex's matches he really does -- frequently -- put his opponent in spots where it takes deep 1pocket knowledge and skill to escape the trap without selling out.

Lou Figueroa
I guess it depends on your definition of "frequently". I posted a race to 3 between Alex and Gorst somewhere in this thread. Out of all the maneuvering in that race to three, I didn't see Alex put Gorst in any more or better traps than Gorst put him into. I'm sure that knowledge can only help, all I'm saying is it may not make as much a difference as many believe. Look at the final three at the derby; lots of one pocket specialists in that tournament but the three with the highest FR were the ones that made it through.
 

BasementDweller

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I guess it depends on your definition of "frequently". I posted a race to 3 between Alex and Gorst somewhere in this thread. Out of all the maneuvering in that race to three, I didn't see Alex put Gorst in any more or better traps than Gorst put him into. I'm sure that knowledge can only help, all I'm saying is it may not make as much a difference as many believe. Look at the final three at the derby; lots of one pocket specialists in that tournament but the three with the highest FR were the ones that made it through.
The biggest mistake one pocket specialists make is playing without a shot clock! Case in point, was Frost playing Orcullo years ago. Frost would come to the table and almost immediately know what to do. Then Orcullo would step to the table and stare at it forever, drawing upon his years of experience, he would consider every conceivable shot. He'd eventually find something. Once he landed upon that strategy is was over. The knowledge advantage is greatly nullified without a shot clock.

The other thing is -- the game is way way harder to play mentally if you're a mere mortal because your shot percentages are so much lower. Calculating the value of shooting a 70% makeable shot is way different than calculating a 95% plus shot. This is why the truly world class players can adapt to the game so fast -- they can shoot at so many more shots.
 

23DenaliBDE

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
Point the binoculars towards a crap table. 🫣



Shane likes to gamble. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Well, I guess he might not like it but he does it.
Not saying he doesn’t gamble and I don’t know his true feelings. I know he has publicly denounced it, which may factor if and when he does.
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I guess it depends on your definition of "frequently". I posted a race to 3 between Alex and Gorst somewhere in this thread. Out of all the maneuvering in that race to three, I didn't see Alex put Gorst in any more or better traps than Gorst put him into. I'm sure that knowledge can only help, all I'm saying is it may not make as much a difference as many believe. Look at the final three at the derby; lots of one pocket specialists in that tournament but the three with the highest FR were the ones that made it through.

At the highest levels, it only takes a few.

Then they cash.

Lou Figueroa
 

Mensabum

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
Sounds like a day in the life of guys matching up at any old action pool room across the South. I've been woofed at like that to play for $100. I actually kind of miss that.

Three of the best woofers I can remember off the top of my head were: Jimmy King, Bobby Pickle and Atlanta Danny. some of the shit Jimmy King would say was actually frightening. I witnessed him dress down JJ to play to the point where it was hard to listen too. Talking all that nonsense about patching an eye, but everyone knew he had a glass eye.

I actually enjoy this stuff. Sorry if it's offensive to others.
If they know each other, no prob. All in good fun.
Sometimes that's what it takes, just not my style. Like to listen tho... Lol.
 
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