Why not run em in order? What is so bad about that! Traditional 8 ball is to easy for these guys. There's no strategy except break an run out over an over. It would be better in my opinion which I know means nothing that u change it to 9 ball or do something different with the 8 ball game
TAR 38 8 Ball Rule Poll: Open or Take What You Make After Break
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Why not run em in order? What is so bad about that! Traditional 8 ball is to easy for these guys. There's no strategy except break an run out over an over. It would be better in my opinion which I know means nothing that u change it to 9 ball or do something different with the 8 ball game
I guess I'm in the minority here with liking open after break. I always thought take what you make was banger ball. "Wow, you made two stripes so you're already winning by two balls!") mentality.
I guess I feel there should be a reward or advantage for a good break, and take what you make can sometimes lead to a disadvantage or even penalty for a good break.
Admittedly, I don't like or play much 8 ball, and obviously the game is much deeper than I give it credit for.
Dave
I guess I feel there should be a reward or advantage for a good break, and take what you make can sometimes lead to a disadvantage or even penalty for a good break.
Admittedly, I don't like or play much 8 ball, and obviously the game is much deeper than I give it credit for.
Dave
I believe proper professional 8-ball should be open after the break but it also needs to be played on a far tighter pocket table the what TAR has now and prefferably a 10-foot. So given the easy conditions take what you make might at least lessen the 10-packs.
The need for those rules though is due to the wrong equipment for proper pro 8-ball, not because that should be the official pro 8-ball rules from here forth.
The need for those rules though is due to the wrong equipment for proper pro 8-ball, not because that should be the official pro 8-ball rules from here forth.
Ok, I voted for open after the break, since I play mostly 8 ball and that is the way I prefer the game to be. Watching the past few TAR matches has given me a lot of education on how these guys run out regardless of how the table ends up. I mean it has seriously changed my game.
However, after reading some of these posts, I have changed my mind. Take what you make would make it play out quite differently and I would probably get a whole new education on the strategy of the game. Which would be quite good for me, because I routinely do NOT run out from everywhere. So consider my vote changed.
Carl
However, after reading some of these posts, I have changed my mind. Take what you make would make it play out quite differently and I would probably get a whole new education on the strategy of the game. Which would be quite good for me, because I routinely do NOT run out from everywhere. So consider my vote changed.
Carl
I'm too lazy to search. Best of my recollection it was a fairly close poll with the edge to open after the break.
Take what you make is what most top players play. It adds much more strategy to the game and causes more break outs, safes, banks, etc...
In the MC the shot after the break was Often a safe, and I enjoyed seeing this banter between players at the start of play. But shoot what ya make on the break is perfect for a nine footer, and board play will come into play more, which is Fun to watch and what makes pool/pool.
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But let me get this straight....players want less luck in 10-ball....and more luck in 8-ball.[/QUOTE]
I don't think making luck a factor is going to make it more enjoyable to watch. Extend the race, alternate break, break from the center of the table, all would be more viable options to me.
But let me get this straight....players want less luck in 10-ball....and more luck in 8-ball.[/QUOTE]
I don't think making luck a factor is going to make it more enjoyable to watch. Extend the race, alternate break, break from the center of the table, all would be more viable options to me.
Open after the break, that's what we play. Really don't think with this caliber
of player there would be a big difference either way, take what you make just adds an
element of luck.
of player there would be a big difference either way, take what you make just adds an
element of luck.
I've been playing more take what you make since I joined a league. I realize the TAR table isn't a barbox, but I still think it'd be helpful to see how these guys deal with situations that come up when you're playing those 8 ball rules.
What it will show, is ones poor planning, and inability to shoot their way out of it. Like in the PBT years, the great 14.1 Midwest players showed their mettle pretty well.
For advanced players, I think take what you make is the better way to play. It takes away some of the breaker's advantage, resulting in a more interactive match and tougher runouts. With an open table after the break, I expect players of this caliber to run out almost every time if they make a ball on the snap.
Another way to think about it: If you were a pro and were going to play one rack against another slightly weaker pro with the breaker determined by a coin flip, which format would you prefer? I would choose take what you make because you would stand a better chance of getting to the table if you lose the coin flip, so the coin flip is less of a factor. If you reverse the situation and say you're playing a pro that is better than you, I would choose open after the break because I want more of the outcome to be determined by the coin flip.
As the skill levels of the players in question drop below the point where a successful break and runout is less likely, the stronger player will begin to favor the open table after the break because they are not as concerned about being stuck in their chair.
Another way to think about it: If you were a pro and were going to play one rack against another slightly weaker pro with the breaker determined by a coin flip, which format would you prefer? I would choose take what you make because you would stand a better chance of getting to the table if you lose the coin flip, so the coin flip is less of a factor. If you reverse the situation and say you're playing a pro that is better than you, I would choose open after the break because I want more of the outcome to be determined by the coin flip.
As the skill levels of the players in question drop below the point where a successful break and runout is less likely, the stronger player will begin to favor the open table after the break because they are not as concerned about being stuck in their chair.
I saw Ronnie Wiseman make 5 low balls on the break the in Houghton Lake.
He then ran out using the high balls.
The more balls you make of one group, the more likely you are to be hooked on the remaining.
Ronnie would have been a big under dog to have won that game at 'take what you make'....
....he couldn't see the remaining two low balls.
Rules that can penalize a good shot hurt the game.
I played hardly any bar box when I was young.....the rules were ridiculous.
Why would anybody want to take the game back to the Neanderthal times?
He then ran out using the high balls.
The more balls you make of one group, the more likely you are to be hooked on the remaining.
Ronnie would have been a big under dog to have won that game at 'take what you make'....
....he couldn't see the remaining two low balls.
Rules that can penalize a good shot hurt the game.
I played hardly any bar box when I was young.....the rules were ridiculous.
Why would anybody want to take the game back to the Neanderthal times?
First time I heard those rule were from BCA. Choice after the break and you get to hit a low into a high on your first shot.
In my opinion, makes the game way too easy for the breaker.
I think a good way to play is to a group either flip lag whatever and the players play that group the entire set. So dynomite is always solids. Dennis O is always stripes. Perhaps this would require the option to push after the break. Anyway this might add some drama. Big table even tight pockets can make for some big packages
If you dont like that then open after break and lets watch some offense
If you dont like that then open after break and lets watch some offense