Texas BCAPL State Tournament - Harker Heights, Tx 12-15 Mar 2009

Papa Red

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Okay, here is the shot... 12-12

The shooter is attempting to cut the ball below the 8 into the lower left corner. There is plenty of room to cut the ball, so there was no real need to call a ref.

The shooter shot the ball, hit the 8 first and CAROMED his ball into the corner pocket. The 8 goes straight down to the bottom rail and bounces back up.

Bad hit, period.

We knew it, his teammates knew it and all the spectators knew it.

But when the time came to man up and admit it he just wouldn't.

No ref, no foul.

And without a shred of conscience he proceeded to run the remaining balls.

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Jeff that's not the lay out, he had the 7 and the 4 beside the 8 and was straight in on the 7 and hit the 8 first.
 

Bigtruck

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That's what I think of him, that was the closest I've came in a long time of grabbing someone by the throat and choking the living crap out of them until his eyes roll back. I refused to shake his hand and said I don't shake hand with thief's. He did have the since to walk away with out a word, because I would have probably got banded for life by the BCA if anymore was said. For a while my Grey hair turned :mad: again like the old days. While playing for OB Cues I didn't want to bring any negativity to them so I left right after that.

Can we have the players name please? This guy needs to be outed.

Ray
 

McKinneyMiner

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Zach...

You're absolutely right that without a ref it's the word of the shooter...

I'm not disputing that at all...

What infuriates me is that he looked his opponent and a gallery full of witnesses in the eyes and said it was a good hit...

His TEAMMATES apologized to us afterwards...

I've been playing a long time and I have never seen someone chuck their dignity and integrity like that...
 

rack'em zach'em

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I wasn't challenging you

I was just messing with Ray...but yeah I hate guys who cheat...It annoys the hell out of me..just like the idiots with the little yellow box rating craze in the raffle section...
 

mandalamps

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We done good kid!!!! LMAO!!!

I heard you gals played pretty good in the team event. :thumbup:

Well, we did do pretty good! :thumbup: We lost our first match and came through the loser's side to get 3rd! We are pretty happy about that! I hope you've started on the recovery path!!!! LOL!

Peace,
Amanda
 

mandalamps

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Tragic!!!!

Did Sam Manole really qualify with that team during the league season...??

And I wonder how the team that put us out is sleeping these days...??

You know who you are...

P.S. - It was a bad hit at 2:30am Sunday morning, it's a bad hit today and it will be a bad hit for the rest of eternity...

Okay, time to take my blood pressure pills...

EEEK!!!! I heard about that! That is very unfortunate for you all. I honestly can't believe that he would do that. Very very sad! I feel for you guys!

Peace,
Amanda
 
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Papa Red

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Well, we did do pretty good! :thumbup: We lost our first match and came through the loser's side to get 3rd! We are pretty happy about that! I hope you've started on the recovery path!!!! LOL!

Peace,
Amanda

Good job, we can always depend on our ladies to come through.:thumbup:
 

Bigtruck

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Goes to the Shooter if no Ref is present...Sorry to hear you got screwed McKinney

Sorry Zach, but you got this one wrong.

If this EVER happens again, you need to tell your opponent to wait for referee. The referee can poll the gallery and make a decision.

This just confirmed by a National BCA Referee.

Ray
 

McKinneyMiner

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A referee did come over (not Steve, the other guy) and DID NOT make any attempt to poll the crowd or the teams...

I wasn't right next to him when he spoke, but the implication to me was that since he wasn't there to see it the shooter should continue...
 

mandalamps

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Thanks Papa Red!

Good job, we can always depend on our ladies to come through.:thumbup:

Man, that had to be pretty bad if YOU got that upset. You are such a sweetie! I am glad his teammates apologized but that just doesn't make it right. I couldn't live with that and probably wouldn't have accepted the win. Just my 2 cents tho.

Love ya,
Amanda
 

rack'em zach'em

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Wait a minute

So say I was playing you and I made a bad hit...and say the stands are full of no one but my family and friends...Say you don't have any that day..If I call a ref over and ask him about it he can poll my family and friends? Thats retarded..
 

Bigtruck

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A referee did come over (not Steve, the other guy) and DID NOT make any attempt to poll the crowd or the teams...

I wasn't right next to him when he spoke, but the implication to me was that since he wasn't there to see it the shooter should continue...

Yep, He dropped the ball on that one!

Was there a gallery as well as the other team?

How many teams were left at that point?

Ray
 

McKinneyMiner

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CueTable Modified

I modified the original cuetable according to Charlie's description of the two key balls...

I was off angle and it seemed more of a cut to me...
 

Bigtruck

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So say I was playing you and I made a bad hit...and say the stands are full of no one but my family and friends...Say you don't have any that day..If I call a ref over and ask him about it he can poll my family and friends? Thats retarded..

Yes. He has the option to use any means he chooses to determine the right call.

FTR - Zach, I gotta believe that if yours or my family and friends saw one of us make that blatant of a foul and try and deny it, they would certainly put us in our place. I know mine would! LOL

Ray
 
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