The most fascinating golfer at the Masters using a controversial swing

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Reading this article reminded me of the times C.J. Wiley got ridiculed on here for talking about TOI and how every shot was basically the same.

Golf and pool are two different games, but the idea is the same.

I guess if they have a golf version of this AZB forum somewhere and this guy gets on there and talks about his method, they'll try to run him off too.

FWIW, I play using the TOI system and doing the same thing almost the same way on almost every shot makes me way more consistent.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/bryson-dechambeau-single-plane-swing-masters-2016-4

The most fascinating golfer at the Masters is a 22-year-old amateur majoring in physics and using a controversial swing that could change the game

The idea of the single-plane golf swing is simple: The angle of the golf club in relation to the ground — 70 degrees — never changes. The club goes up in the backswing and comes down along the same path.

The swing also requires something else unusual: All of DeChambeau's irons are the same length, 37.5 inches. The idea is that if every club is the same length, then they can all be swung the same way. At that point, what the ball does is simply determined by the angle of the club head.

Who knows if DeChambeau will change the world of golf, but it is clear he is ready to make an impact. By winning the U.S. Amateur and NCAA titles in the same year, he joined an elite group of four other golfers to accomplish the feat. That group includes Phil Mickelson, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods.
 
HawaiianEye said:
Reading this article reminded me of the times C.J. Wiley got ridiculed on here for talking about TOI and how every shot was basically the same.

Golf and pool are two different games, but the idea is the same.

I guess if they have a golf version of this AZB forum somewhere and this guy gets on there and talks about his method, they'll try to run him off too.

FWIW, I play using the TOI system and doing the same thing almost the same way on almost every shot makes me way more consistent.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/bryson-dechambeau-single-plane-swing-masters-2016-4

The most fascinating golfer at the Masters is a 22-year-old amateur majoring in physics and using a controversial swing that could change the game

The idea of the single-plane golf swing is simple: The angle of the golf club in relation to the ground — 70 degrees — never changes. The club goes up in the backswing and comes down along the same path.

The swing also requires something else unusual: All of DeChambeau's irons are the same length, 37.5 inches. The idea is that if every club is the same length, then they can all be swung the same way. At that point, what the ball does is simply determined by the angle of the club head.

Who knows if DeChambeau will change the world of golf, but it is clear he is ready to make an impact. By winning the U.S. Amateur and NCAA titles in the same year, he joined an elite group of four other golfers to accomplish the feat. That group includes Phil Mickelson, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods.
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Just a thought but, for newer readers or those who simply missed those posts and dicussions it might be a good idea to mention what TOI is.

Touch Of Inside Link

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Pro golfer

There is a remote chance that I might get a pro golfer to come on here and talk .
He is on the Olympic golf team .
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
There is a remote chance that I might get a pro golfer to come on here and talk .
He is on the Olympic golf team .
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We're all champion golfers too - nobody wants to hear this hack talk:D just tryin to save you some time. Lol

I assumed all golf clubs were like that already(same length with different angles)

Jason<-----not a golfer
 
Can't remember what he won... NCAA champion? U.S. Am? But I remember his college coach was very supportive of his approach. Single length set notion has been around for a while but I can only think of one very small supplier of the heads. The idea has infinitesimal traction in the industry. If this guy makes waves as a pro the idea could advance leaps and bounds. I myself choose the traditional setup. But lots of average Joe diy types have tried it and I guess some have stuck with it.
 
He is also a physics major at Southern Methodist University, where he has used his studies to help optimize his swing, such as calculating how hard to hit a putt for ideal speed and how far the ball will travel in ideal conditions based on how high his backswing goes.
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That bolded part is something that NASA engineer Dave Pelz did a lot of work on in his "Short Game Bible". (Highly recommended.)

The idea is to use four wedges with four different length backswings on each, based on "clock position" (7:30, 9:00, 10:30, and full), log those distances, and list them on stickies on the club. Works very well.
 
Club cutters

You had me right up until the 18th tee shot! Both of them!! Great save tho!
 
qfans said:
You had me right up until the 18th tee shot! Both of them!! Great save tho!
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Part shots a some of the most difficult in golf. That is why clubs are different lengths. So that you can make a full, or nearly full swing, from different yardages. :smile:
 
I have played a lot of golf in days gone by
i played with several pros Lee Trevino being the best'
but I have no idea about what people are talking about

why is this a one piece swing"and how does the angle of the club start at 70 degrees

what two lines give us 70 degrees at address or at the top of his swing

if someone could send me pictures with these things marked out in red,i would appreciate
it

i have studied moe norman swing,watched ben hogan practice for hours and these swings are as much different as the 2 ,jordan and the one piece

i read on here that mickey mantle wondered how a fella could play a game all his life and know nothing about it

i also played golf with mickey,but i couldn't tell you how many planes he used or ifi had one or more

i don't claim to be knowledgeable about golf,but i played a fair game and traveled with titanic in his later years,but i would be surprised if he ever heard of these things and he was considered the best player of his time by snead, and other great players,he beat byron nelson at the height of his career
harvey ward taught me how to shape shots from right to left and the other way,but he never mentioned plane or piece

i played with Jim Hardy a Rice university player turned pro who has his name associated with choosing the right plane,but when we were on the course he never mentioned such stuff,he did attempt to show me the correct method for chip shots

since this is az i wonder if this is merely talk by people that really don't know but heard someone who thought he did

i have no idea what is being discussed and would sincerely like to know if anyone truly understands it
i only mentioned the players i knew to let you guys know i have a lot of experience golfing but no knowledge
of things discussed

i will gladly return the favor in some way that i can,i will send some fancy chalk cubes to anyone who can help me understand

thank you
dean

please reply by pm as i will not be checking here
 
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Raise your hands until your arms approach being in line with the shaft...

swing from the shoulder with almost no wrist cock.

There is almost no angle between the forearms & the shaft.

Hope that helps.
 
Dean asking for pictures. Just thought that was worth acknowledging, ha know?

Carry on.

deanoc said:
I have played a lot of golf in days gone by
i played with several pros Lee Trevino being the best'
but I have no idea about what people are talking about

why is this a one piece swing"and how does the angle of the club start at 70 degrees

what two lines give us 70 degrees at address or at the top of his swing

if someone could send me pictures with these things marked out in red,i would appreciate
it

i have studied moe norman swing,watched ben hogan practice for hours and these swings are as much different as the 2 ,jordan and the one piece

i read on here that mickey mantle wondered how a fella could play a game all his life and know nothing about it

i also played golf with mickey,but i couldn't tell you how many planes he used or ifi had one or more

i don't claim to be knowledgeable about golf,but i played a fair game and traveled with titanic in his later years,but i would be surprised if he ever heard of these things and he was considered the best player of his time by snead, and other great players,he beat byron nelson at the height of his career
harvey ward taught me how to shape shots from right to left and the other way,but he never mentioned plane or piece

since this is az i wonder if this is merely talk by people that really don't know but heard someone who thought he did

i have no idea what is being discussed and would sincerely like to know if anyone truly understands it

i will gladly return the favor in some way that i can

thank you
dean

please reply by pm as i will not be checking here
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HawaiianEye said:
Reading this article reminded me of the times C.J. Wiley got ridiculed on here for talking about TOI and how every shot was basically the same.

Golf and pool are two different games, but the idea is the same.

I guess if they have a golf version of this AZB forum somewhere and this guy gets on there and talks about his method, they'll try to run him off too.

FWIW, I play using the TOI system and doing the same thing almost the same way on almost every shot makes me way more consistent.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/bryson-dechambeau-single-plane-swing-masters-2016-4

The most fascinating golfer at the Masters is a 22-year-old amateur majoring in physics and using a controversial swing that could change the game

The idea of the single-plane golf swing is simple: The angle of the golf club in relation to the ground — 70 degrees — never changes. The club goes up in the backswing and comes down along the same path.

The swing also requires something else unusual: All of DeChambeau's irons are the same length, 37.5 inches. The idea is that if every club is the same length, then they can all be swung the same way. At that point, what the ball does is simply determined by the angle of the club head.

Who knows if DeChambeau will change the world of golf, but it is clear he is ready to make an impact. By winning the U.S. Amateur and NCAA titles in the same year, he joined an elite group of four other golfers to accomplish the feat. That group includes Phil Mickelson, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods.
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The lie of the golf club is the angle the shaft is set to when the clubhead is flat to the ground. I recently picked up a slightly used set of Callaway Apex irons, which are forged (so the lie can easily be changed). I didn't like the lie so I took them to a pro shop. It turned out every club had been bent to the same lie. The shafts were standard length but 1" over (not unususal).

There was/is a small group of people who think the lie should not change from club to club. Where DeChambeau revolutionizes this thought is keeping the shafts all the same length to assist in keeping the plane the same too (without changing the stance to accommodate). What separates him from other golfers is his clubs and arms are both on the same plane, and they are for each club.

He is not the first revolutionary thinker in golf. There was a golfer named Moe Norman who came up with a radical swing and was also freaky accurate with the same idea. This video is well worth watching for golf fans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeIT0af2C_M&nohtml5=False

DeChambeau seems to be using Moe's philosophy and taking it even further by standardizing both the lie and length of the club.

What he is proving is there is more than one way to skin a cat really well. Pool is the same way.
 
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deanoc said:
I have played a lot of golf in days gone by
i played with several pros Lee Trevino being the best'
but I have no idea about what people are talking about

why is this a one piece swing"and how does the angle of the club start at 70 degrees

what two lines give us 70 degrees at address or at the top of his swing

if someone could send me pictures with these things marked out in red,i would appreciate
it

i have studied moe norman swing,watched ben hogan practice for hours and these swings are as much different as the 2 ,jordan and the one piece

i read on here that mickey mantle wondered how a fella could play a game all his life and know nothing about it

i also played golf with mickey,but i couldn't tell you how many planes he used or ifi had one or more

i don't claim to be knowledgeable about golf,but i played a fair game and traveled with titanic in his later years,but i would be surprised if he ever heard of these things and he was considered the best player of his time by snead, and other great players,he beat byron nelson at the height of his career
harvey ward taught me how to shape shots from right to left and the other way,but he never mentioned plane or piece

since this is az i wonder if this is merely talk by people that really don't know but heard someone who thought he did

i have no idea what is being discussed and would sincerely like to know if anyone truly understands it

i will gladly return the favor in some way that i can

thank you
dean

please reply by pm as i will not be checking here
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Funny you bring up Mo and Ben , Tiger once said only 2 people have owned thier swing that being Mo and Ben we know what Ben did but Mo was a very unique man a little odd his stance was real wide his back swing shorter with a long follow through his ball striking and distance controll was so good that he could group balls with any club in a ten foot circle , , he won many Canadian tour events with numeras course records
The PGA however blacked balled him because he was a little different , many yrs later after Titleist got wind the Mo said they never did anything for him signed him to a lifetime contract to do seminars ,, one I saw in golf digest had atleast 10 top pro's watching him hit balls that were landing in that 10ft circle
My favorit Mo story was his caddy told him the hole was a driver and a 9 iron , Mo tees up a 9 Iron then knocks a driver on the green ,,.,,

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HawaiianEye said:
Reading this article reminded me of the times C.J. Wiley got ridiculed on here for talking about TOI and how every shot was basically the same. Golf and pool are two different games, but the idea is the same.

I guess if they have a golf version of this AZB forum somewhere and this guy gets on there and talks about his method, they'll try to run him off too. FWIW, I play using the TOI system and doing the same thing almost the same way on almost every shot makes me way more consistent.
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I certainly understand the principle of a consistent method of aiming. (or pocketing balls)..The only reason I could not support CJ's T.O.I, is it is the most awkward way of being consistent!..Even the best players avoid T.O.I, unless the shot requires it for position!..Why not center ball, or even T.O.O?.. Would that not accomplish the same consistent pattern you seem to think works so well?

Speaking of the young guy at the Masters..If he hadn't taken a triple bogie on 18 today, he would have been paired with Spieth again Saturday..Now we get to watch a couple top pros go at it (Justin Day and Spieth)..Much better to sweat for my dough. I would imagine Day would have almost felt cheated, if Spieth had gotten to coast along with the kid, no matter how good he played! He could never apply the pressure that someone like Day can! (apples and oranges)..Looking forward to some good golf tomorrow!

PS..Give me the stroke that seperates them, and I may be up for a decent sweat bet..I like Day..;) I also think one of them will win the green jacket Sunday. (but not enough to give up someone in the field getting a hot streak going. ;))
 
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SJDinPHX said:
I certainly understand the principle of a consistent method of aiming. (or pocketing balls)..The only reason I could not support CJ's T.O.I, is it is the most awkward way of being consistent!..Even the best players avoid T.O.I, unless the shot requires it for position!..Why not center ball, or even T.O.O?.. Would that not accomplish the same consistent pattern you seem to think works so well?

Speaking of the young guy at the Masters..If he hadn't taken a triple bogie on 18 today, he would have been paired with Spieth again Saturday..Now we get to watch a couple top pros go at it (Justin Day and Spieth)..Much better to sweat for my dough. I would imagine Day would have almost felt cheated, if Spieth had gotten to coast along with the kid, no matter how good he played! He could never apply the pressure that someone like Day can! (apples and oranges)..Looking forward to some good golf tomorrow!

PS..Give me the stroke that seperates them, and I may be up for a decent sweat bet..I like Day..;) I also think one of them will win the green jacket Sunday. (but not enough to give up someone in the field getting a hot streak going. ;))
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It isn't awkward once you figure it out. It becomes NATURAL.

TOO works well too, only it adds spin to the cue ball when it hits the rail after hitting the object ball. TOI neutralizes the cue ball spin after contact with the object ball and keeps the cue ball on a more natural angle after it hits a rail...at least that is the theory...and it works for me, so I like it.
 
SJDinPHX said:
I certainly understand the principle of a consistent method of aiming. (or pocketing balls)..The only reason I could not support CJ's T.O.I, is it is the most awkward way of being consistent!..Even the best players avoid T.O.I, unless the shot requires it for position!..Why not center ball, or even T.O.O?.. Would that not accomplish the same consistent pattern you seem to think works so well?

Speaking of the young guy at the Masters..If he hadn't taken a triple bogie on 18 today, he would have been paired with Spieth again Saturday..Now we get to watch a couple top pros go at it (Justin Day and Spieth)..Much better to sweat for my dough. I would imagine Day would have almost felt cheated, if Spieth had gotten to coast along with the kid, no matter how good he played! He could never apply the pressure that someone like Day can! (apples and oranges)..Looking forward to some good golf tomorrow!

PS..Give me the stroke that seperates them, and I may be up for a decent sweat bet..I like Day..;) I also think one of them will win the green jacket Sunday. (but not enough to give up someone in the field getting a hot streak going. ;))
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Dick, hold off on the bet...Jason is five off the pace.
It's Rory who is one behind Jordan.

...pt...cheering for Danny Lee...at -2
 
SJDinPHX said:
I certainly understand the principle of a consistent method of aiming. (or pocketing balls)..The only reason I could not support CJ's T.O.I, is it is the most awkward way of being consistent!..Even the best players avoid T.O.I, unless the shot requires it for position!..Why not center ball, or even T.O.O?.. Would that not accomplish the same consistent pattern you seem to think works so well?

Speaking of the young guy at the Masters..If he hadn't taken a triple bogie on 18 today, he would have been paired with Spieth again Saturday..Now we get to watch a couple top pros go at it (Justin Day and Spieth)..Much better to sweat for my dough. I would imagine Day would have almost felt cheated, if Spieth had gotten to coast along with the kid, no matter how god he played! He could never apply the pressure that someone like Day can! (apples and oranges)..Looking forward to some good golf tomorrow!

PS..Give me the stroke that seperates them, and I may be up for a decent sweat bet..I like Day..;) I also think one of them will win the green jacket Sunday. (but not enough to give up someone in the field getting a hot streak going. ;))
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He made the cut however tomorrow is seperation day ,, if I'm making a bet I'm betting he's outside top 20 tomorrow 30 by Sunday
However it would be nice to be wrong
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