If he did that, it'll take him months.
He'll have to replace the subrails b/c Ernesto cuts those rails down to fit a K66 set of rubbers.
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If he did that, it'll take him months.
He'll have to replace the subrails b/c Ernesto cuts those rails down to fit a K66 set of rubbers.
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Ahh, the Downlo, formerly Team Players. Got both my undergraduate degrees in Chico, biology and 9 ball.
They used to have a diamond table that we liked to play on. Is that one still there?
I disagree. It would take him years.
My guess is primarily budget and time. My understanding is Glen charges about double of Ernesto and takes a lot of time. Is all of that really necessary? I can see it for one or two tables, but a whole room? It would be insane...
I'm guessing the reason is similar to their thinking in not choosing to have Ernie Gutierrez make their 150 house cues.
1500 to rebuild our table. Rebuilt the rails, reinforced the frame to stop/prevent any sagging, recloth and level. He told me he would do the same thing as well as install his leveling system and steel plate the slates together (essentially making them 1-piece slate) for 2000 a table. He claimed that's what Mike at Hard Times was going to have him do, but now I'm not sure I believe he's going to do any work there at all.
Is this an inherent problem with Diamond Tables?
If not, why go thru the extra time and cost to perform this task. If so, why hasn't Diamond addressed this issue before now.
If Ernie made house cues, it would take all of approx one day for the Hall to not have any house cues left.
That's not out of line - I would expect to pay $1000 - $1300 for rebuilt rails with Artemis rubber and Simonis cloth. What Ernesto does is level and correct the slate with screws. It usually does need to be re-leveled at some point in the future but if you're changing cloth every few years, it doesn't make that much difference.
Ernesto is fair with his pricing and gives room owners priority over individual customers. He is definitely booked and in demand. I like how his tables play a lot.
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That will be $375,000, please. Cash.
No, it's a problem inherent with having a table previously worked on by a hack who tries to shim a table level. The slate is bolted down. They're trying to raise the slate, but instead they're only pushing the frame down and creating added stress on the frame.
Exactly. Plus is he going to be around to service them? Ernesto has been doing their tables for years.
Without going into things said in confidence, a large part has to do with high cost, the fact that he quoted 2 weeks per table (which basically renders two tables unplayable at a time) meaning it would lose revenue for that whole time and take 7 months to do the whole room, plus it would end a 20+ year relationship with Ernesto (who is well respected as a top mechanic and a great guy with terrific work ethic). That's the short version. And I suspect Glen's attitude and bad reputation for customer service Also played a role.
Also, that whole test of a five ball combo shot up the rail past the side pockets that someone mentioned as a test of whether pockets play fair.... I just did that test on three different tables, all sub 4" at Hard Times, and they all passed easily. The tables are hard but fair and they punish imprecise cueing.
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I need to visit friends in Paradise and will definitely check
out this table down the hill in Chico.
Ernesto's pockets take hard shots better than Glen's, in my experience. Plus you can hit Ernesto's from off the rail too a little more than half a ball into the corner point at near break speed and they will fall. I tried it on Glen's and they rattle and throw out. He claimed it was because the shot was imprecise, but it's because of the pocket angle. Ernesto's pockets tend to spit missed balls out. Diamonds in general tend to rattle and leave hangers.
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Not that I am a table mechanic or claim to understand most of it.
Doesn't make sense to me tho.
Why wouldn't Glen just put the table back to Pre Hack and or Diamond specs and leave it at that. If his own table leveling system works that well, which I have no doubt that it probably does, then the Diamond table shouldn't need to be braced for future sagging.
If his leveling system does put stress on the frame as well, requiring a brace, then it shouldn't be used and is not doing any better job than the previous mechanic.
I'm not sure, they're all Diamond tables. 10 9' Professionals. Team Players was a tad before my time. I'm 26. I grew up here, and always wanted to go down there, but my parents never let me/took me.