Congratulations on such a successful event! I wish you many more.
The truth about the GSBT event in Bristol TN
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Congratulations on such a successful event! I wish you many more.
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You guys are missing the point! I don't give a damn where the money goes. I'm saying that a $1500 added tourney ended up being a 0 added tourney. I'm saying that whoever took the money took TOOOOOO damn much!
Nit list....
The OP and several others on here have me thinking......
We have a "good action list", couldn't we also have a "Nit" list? That way we automatically know when we see a particular screen name that there is no point in trying to talk sense to them.
I am not saying that "Nits" aren't people too I just think that if we made them walk around with a big pointy hat that said "Nit" on it they might realize they need to do some self introspection and then they could start engaging the filter that keeps most of us from opening our mouths and letting pure drivel spill out.
It's better to let the whole world THINK you are a Nit than to open your mouth and PROVE it......
The OP and several others on here have me thinking......
We have a "good action list", couldn't we also have a "Nit" list? That way we automatically know when we see a particular screen name that there is no point in trying to talk sense to them.
I am not saying that "Nits" aren't people too I just think that if we made them walk around with a big pointy hat that said "Nit" on it they might realize they need to do some self introspection and then they could start engaging the filter that keeps most of us from opening our mouths and letting pure drivel spill out.
It's better to let the whole world THINK you are a Nit than to open your mouth and PROVE it......
I think troll list is a better representation ! Don't you ?
But thats why there is red rep. Let them have it !
You know, JAM, that's an interesting thought. Hadn't thought about it exactly like that, but that's exactly what the complainers want, isn't it? They want the tournaments, but they don't want to pay anybody for doing the work.
Must be either radical Socialists or radical Tea Partiers. Maybe we should notify Homeland Security?
Wow, there seems to be way too much thought involved in all of this. Whether they add $ or take $ or whoever gets money, its not really our concern. We are just the players in the tournament. If we know what our entry fee is and what our potential winnings could be, what does the rest matter to us?
If the owner gets short changed he will no longer host. If the TD gets short changed, he won't be able to keep doing the tours. So that just leaves the players, and if you don't like the potential payout, don't play in it. Its that simple.
If the payout is not worth it people will eventually quit going to it and the tour or tournament will no longer exist. Nobody is being forced to do anything here.
Perhaps some of these trolls on here should spend more time practicing to come on the money instead of wasting so much time creating new accounts to hide behind.
If the owner gets short changed he will no longer host. If the TD gets short changed, he won't be able to keep doing the tours. So that just leaves the players, and if you don't like the potential payout, don't play in it. Its that simple.
If the payout is not worth it people will eventually quit going to it and the tour or tournament will no longer exist. Nobody is being forced to do anything here.
Perhaps some of these trolls on here should spend more time practicing to come on the money instead of wasting so much time creating new accounts to hide behind.
Why does it bother you so much? Going into the tourny you know 1000.00 is first place... period. Why are you worried about how much others make off this? What business is it of yours?
You want to know how much i make and what i do for it? PM me and I'll break your heart!
Geeez......
i have a great idea if ya dont like the way the tour is ran dont play in it.......... stop all the yipyacking and jaw jacking...... go play in 1 of the umpteen other tours that are out there...... untill u find a reason to come up with something to start a thread on az about that1
I wish Shannon and Marge made a million dollars running their tour.
Why do we spend so much time feeding the troll accounts? This person obviously created a shill account rather than post from their known account.
Pool needs to learn how to make money. It benefits everyone involved. A tournament is still a tournament. There can only be a small percentage of winners. Most people who enter will not win anything. So why keep going? Cause it's FUN!! I'm guessing that Shannon and Marge know how to have fun.
Ray
Why do we spend so much time feeding the troll accounts? This person obviously created a shill account rather than post from their known account.
Pool needs to learn how to make money. It benefits everyone involved. A tournament is still a tournament. There can only be a small percentage of winners. Most people who enter will not win anything. So why keep going? Cause it's FUN!! I'm guessing that Shannon and Marge know how to have fun.
Ray
Taking everyone for their word, it seems that this is largely a disagreement on the use of the term green fees?
All that cyberspace. Gone forever.
Exactly.
What the pool room chooses to do with the Green Fees, The money from the Juke Box, The liquor sales, etc.....is THEIR BUSINESS and no one elses.
End of story.
Now go have some fun at a pool tournament.
Ray
Having been in the pool tour biz longer than most, and being a stickler for keeping good books on expenses, it takes about 50 players to begin with just to begin to break even on the amount of work that is required. People fail to see the before and after of putting together events, and only see the TD collecting entries, doing the draw, and filling in the blanks on the chart.
We averaged 66 men and 15 ladies nationwide for our events and collected an average of fifteen dollars a head for our fees. Anything with 100 players was considered a home run and offset some events that only drew 30 players. A weekend event really takes 4-5 days of work minimum for the TD.
I had about a 2 hour speech I was going to drop on the uninformed and decided that it just isn't worth my time.
To Shannon and Marge and all the other tour operators out there, keep on keeping on. Someone has to do it. There will ALWAYS be the knockers, no matter what you do, it is the nature of the biz.
We averaged 66 men and 15 ladies nationwide for our events and collected an average of fifteen dollars a head for our fees. Anything with 100 players was considered a home run and offset some events that only drew 30 players. A weekend event really takes 4-5 days of work minimum for the TD.
I had about a 2 hour speech I was going to drop on the uninformed and decided that it just isn't worth my time.
To Shannon and Marge and all the other tour operators out there, keep on keeping on. Someone has to do it. There will ALWAYS be the knockers, no matter what you do, it is the nature of the biz.
Well, as long as everyone can be in agreement when things get started.
It is after all, a game.
Even though I made a tongue in cheek joke about a million dollar added tourney earlier, I do realize that people need to make money to keep a tour running, etc. I wasn't bashing the tour at all, I was just making a (in hindsight, very dumb) comment about saying you are adding any amount you want, since you can take what you want back in fees. (yes, I realize that the "added" amount advertised and the fees taken aren't always the same people)
To the OP though, would it make you feel better if you thought about it this way ....
Total entry fees were 4635, of which 2615 were taken out for advertising costs, whatever random overhead, greens fees, paying salaries, who knows what goes into running a tournament. THEN 1500 was added to the payout for a total of 3520. If it wasn't a 1500 added tournament then the payouts would of only been 2020. So now, to me at least, the 1500 added practically doubled the prize pool, allowing for much larger payouts.
Does looking at it that way make you feel better or do you really expect people to put all this crap together for you for no monetary return on their part?
Thank you very much for the kind words.
Marge, since I *know* you are probably reading this thread, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE have Shannon watch "Justified" on FX. It comes on every Wednesday at 10 p.m.
Raylan Givens, played by Timothy Olyphant, reminds me so much of Shannon. The TV show takes place in Harlan County, Kentucky. I think Shannon would get a kick out of the show.
I just remember the time that Shannon and Liljon sang together at the SBE. They were so funny, and the theme song of this TV show, "Justified," reminds me so much of that night in Valley Forge. You can click my signature line and hear the theme song of "Justified."
Best regards to you and Shannon, Marge! :wave2:
Observations and my humble opinion:
We have yet to hear from any angry room owner(s) indicating the raw deal they feel they got from GSBT. This is probably because they are happy with how the GSBT event went at their venues.
From a players perspective, why concern ourselves over how tourney operators and room owners divide their proceeds? That's their business, right? They come to an agreement on the money and then it's time to play pool and have some fun.
Marge has felt compelled to come on here to defend GSBT by providing a breakdown of where all the money went. Complete transparancy! What more does anyone want?
Comparing the rake between a GSBT tour event and the US Open is like comparing apples to rocket ships.
Anyone feeling "deceived" that greens fees didn't go in a particular direction; please refer to paragraph 2 above.
Conclusion: It appears that through lots of h-a-r-d work, Shannon and Marge have created an environment that is a win-win-win for players, room owners, and, yes, even themselves.
* For players to be able to catch up with old friends, make some new ones, test their skills, and potentially cash in on good prize money, is a great thing.
* For room owners, to be able to host a GSBT event knowing they're partnering with people who are honest, hard working, and commited to putting on the best event possible, has to make them feel good, as well.
* And finally, Shannon and Marge. After all of their big efforts and expenses in planning, promoting, organizing, travelling to, lodging for, and running a tournament, if everything goes well, they get to be paid for their work. Can you say Hallelujah! ? !
As was already pointed out, there will always be detractors. Meanwhile, GSBT must be doing something right, they had 100+ at this last weekend's event. :thumbup:
Don't let the naysayers get you down.
I wish you both continued success with your tour.
Wouldn't it be grand if there were something like GSBT tourneys up here in my neck of the woods?
Best,
Brian kc
We have yet to hear from any angry room owner(s) indicating the raw deal they feel they got from GSBT. This is probably because they are happy with how the GSBT event went at their venues.
From a players perspective, why concern ourselves over how tourney operators and room owners divide their proceeds? That's their business, right? They come to an agreement on the money and then it's time to play pool and have some fun.
Marge has felt compelled to come on here to defend GSBT by providing a breakdown of where all the money went. Complete transparancy! What more does anyone want?
Comparing the rake between a GSBT tour event and the US Open is like comparing apples to rocket ships.
Anyone feeling "deceived" that greens fees didn't go in a particular direction; please refer to paragraph 2 above.
Conclusion: It appears that through lots of h-a-r-d work, Shannon and Marge have created an environment that is a win-win-win for players, room owners, and, yes, even themselves.
* For players to be able to catch up with old friends, make some new ones, test their skills, and potentially cash in on good prize money, is a great thing.
* For room owners, to be able to host a GSBT event knowing they're partnering with people who are honest, hard working, and commited to putting on the best event possible, has to make them feel good, as well.
* And finally, Shannon and Marge. After all of their big efforts and expenses in planning, promoting, organizing, travelling to, lodging for, and running a tournament, if everything goes well, they get to be paid for their work. Can you say Hallelujah! ? !
As was already pointed out, there will always be detractors. Meanwhile, GSBT must be doing something right, they had 100+ at this last weekend's event. :thumbup:
Don't let the naysayers get you down.
I wish you both continued success with your tour.
Wouldn't it be grand if there were something like GSBT tourneys up here in my neck of the woods?
Best,
Brian kc
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This question has been asked before (a tleast 3 times)and the GSBT still has not responded.
I would also like to say that after doing some payout research for the GSBT I have seen a few other things mentioned in forums, some about the take and some about your guaranteed added monies. It seems that at some events it was listed as $1,500 guaranteed added but the GSBT only added $1,000 to the prize fund after the players traveled to the events. I would think that since the tour obviously does make a profit overall (nothing wrong with that) that you would live up to your promised guaranteed added monies. YES, I do find something seriously wrong with the fact that when you say guaranteed added and you don't add that much to the event even though the players were counting on that. These actions are no different than when promoters bounce checks or do not pay all of the players.
This specific incident of not paying the correct amount to the players happened in Mobile.
GSBT, do you have any explanations as to why you did not add the amount you said (GUARANTEED) your were going to add to the event in Mobile (and other places I have heard)?
Honestly, how the heck can any AZer say it is OK to make a good dollar running a tour when you do not live up to your guarantees for the players?
I would also like to say that after doing some payout research for the GSBT I have seen a few other things mentioned in forums, some about the take and some about your guaranteed added monies. It seems that at some events it was listed as $1,500 guaranteed added but the GSBT only added $1,000 to the prize fund after the players traveled to the events. I would think that since the tour obviously does make a profit overall (nothing wrong with that) that you would live up to your promised guaranteed added monies. YES, I do find something seriously wrong with the fact that when you say guaranteed added and you don't add that much to the event even though the players were counting on that. These actions are no different than when promoters bounce checks or do not pay all of the players.
This specific incident of not paying the correct amount to the players happened in Mobile.
GSBT, do you have any explanations as to why you did not add the amount you said (GUARANTEED) your were going to add to the event in Mobile (and other places I have heard)?
Honestly, how the heck can any AZer say it is OK to make a good dollar running a tour when you do not live up to your guarantees for the players?
I'm guessing because other tour directors (and you know who you are) have done a hell of a lot worse. Every GSBT event I've been too has been completely on the up & up, and better yet, leaves paid in full.