They never saw the $$$$....

I got a question. Let's say that Chuck comes up with the money and pays out the players in the coming weeks. What happens to the man and his reputation? Is his pool promotions run over with?

Also, a bigger question. How does one city, say Phoenix, go on without it's pool name tarnished? Will there be future pro events in the Valley of the Sun?

Even though all of this crap happened at the end, I still think the Desert Shootout was one of the coolest events I had the pleasure of being at. It was the most big names I'd ever seen in one room. The Wednesday Night of the Draw was so crazy! Everytime you turned your head there was another big name. And I got to get my butt kicked by Mika in the Pro Am.

I just hope after all this is said and done that Phoenix will not be tarnished in the Pro Pool World. I think we all feel like we are walking around with Black Eyes right now.

I know Chuck is trying to get the money together....
 
watchez said:
This is taken from another thread prior to the tournament. The quotes in red are very ironic, to say the least.

It seems that Holly (who I believe is Mike H. girlfriend) was just as fooled by Chuck as Jay H. & the players were. I am not picking on Holly in any way. It would be interesting to see what Mike H. take on this situation is. I would think he would have a realistic opinion of Chuck prior and now & what he feels will become of all this.

JAM = If you or anyone wants Chuck's phone #s, name of his 'other' businesses (yes, plural) or info, just google him. I won't post it here as others have been 'in trouble' before for posting personal info.

I did find this interested quote from Chuck on one of his business' web pages -

Pool Playing Promotions Would Like To Thank Diamond Billiards For Providing The Desert Shoot-Out With Today's Premier 9' Professional Tables. If You Would Like To See What All Diamond Billiards Has To Offer, Please Visit....

Does this mean that the tables used for the event were not his & just loaned by Diamond? Are these the same tables he was wanting to sell on CraigList but then pulled his for sale ad?


No....not the same tables...

Very few people have all the "facts"

I don't think your speculation will help the unfortunate problem....;)

It is starting to bother me that people seem to almost take joy in kicking around someone that attempted to do a good thing for pool that happend to flop badly on him.....It is very possible that he has recently made some very bad decisions (while trying to make the best of a failed event)...I don't know the whole story behind what is going on....and I suspect very few do...(Even some that are owed money)

From my experience...I have seen him add monies to an events and always come through...I have seen him sponsor players, loan cues, pay hotel bills etc. etc.

Sure they were on a smaller scale...Perhaps when he saw how successful the Desert Dust Off at Alexanders went for the last two years running...(where he was a major sponsor in the $5000 added) he thought he could promote an event on a grander scale.

Obviously things did not work out the way he planned and he is in a bad financial situation.

But let me ask any of you one question....How many of you have ever had a situation where you made "The Wrong Decisions Under Pressure" and then said in hindesite..."I Wish I Would Have Handled That Different"

It is easy for people sit back and say I would have done this that or the other.... It is not alway that easy when you under fire...

I am positive he is regretting many recent decisions he has made....And my "speculation" is that he is probably trying to figure out a way to make good.

Might I also remind you expert businessmen....Businesses on much larger and smaller scales go bankrupt everyday costing jobs..... Does that immediatly make them shiesters or con artists???? Not Always...
 
A few words about a few things mentioned on this thread.

Number one to the guy who thinks that running a professional pool tournament is just writing names on a board and calling them off, I say "Have at it!" I'm sure that you can do my job for much less than me. As to whether the players, the fans, the room owner, etc. etc. will be happy with your work, that remains to be seen. I will say this, the work doing the board is the easy part. I take pride in my work and pay close attention to everything involved in running the tournament. And there's a lot more to it than you can imagine.

A few things to consider. You are dealing with 64 players (or more) with different wants and needs. Some of these guys are great and some can be a big headache. BUT, you have to deal with all of them, like it or not. You may be in charge of setting up the playing arena (like I was in Phoenix). How that looks depends upon your expertise, and what you have to work with. You may have to figure out how to control the gate and how much to charge (yes on both counts here). Spectators and fans will be asking you a million (and I'm not exaggerating) questions about the tournament. You must be patient and do your best to answer them all. Heaven forbid you piss someone off.

And there's more. Who gets a pass? Do you know, and how do you handle the pass situation? What about the rules? Can you explain them to the satisfaction of all the players during the players meeting? Now comes the hard part, you have to go out on the floor and make calls in all kinds on odd situations, not just good hits or bad hits. What do you do if the player knocks a piece of chalk off the rail and it hits an object ball hanging in the pocket and it drops? Don't laugh, it's happened! Could you handle that to the satisfaction of both players?

Oh, and what about the scheduling of matches, how long each round should be and how late to play each night. I guess you have that all wired too. One hint, it's different depending on how many tables you have and how many days the tourney lasts. But you knew that already, didn't you. There's more too, like crowd control and appeasing the fire marshals. But I won't bore you with the trivial stuff.

That brings us to number two. How did I let this tournament go on without knowing the money was good? Actually I was quite hesitant when I arrived on the Tuesday before the tournament began and sat in on a meeting with the hotel people. I knew then that this promoter had not done his homework. It was a close call whether to stay or leave that day. If Kolby's hadn't come through, I would have taken the next plane out. And I made that clear to Chuck.

The second issue was about the purse. I demanded a full accounting of his finances, which he grudgingly gave me. I told him I wouldn't start the tournament until I knew the money was good. He took me by his business and I could see he had a fairly substantial operation. I still insisted on seeing bank statements, which he ultimately produced the day of the event. And there was nearly enough money to cover the entire prize fund. But he told me that he had player entry fees in cash on hand. Plus we knew the gate would add more money to his coffers. I also felt an obligation to the players who had traveled great distances to play. So I did my best to see that they had a tournament to play in.

And now we are where we are at today. The top five players (plus me) remain unpaid. Chuck did answer my call early this morning. "Hello Buddy" he said. I wanted to gag. I let him know in no uncertain terms how displeased I was with the state of things and how he had misled me. He DID lie to me more than once. He said once again he was sorry and he would make it right. Naturally I asked him how. He told me a deal was pending for his eight Diamond pool tables with Mark Griffin. And he went on to add that someone may be buying his business for cash. I told him that writing bad checks was a felony in Arizona, and I had talked with the Maricopa County Check Enforcement division (all true). I wanted that on the table. Then I told him that Mark and I had been friends for many years and I was going to call him next, and I did.

So I called Mark who was up to his ears in preparation for the BCA Nationals. I told him about my conversation with Chuck and he confirmed that they had spoken. But he said they were far from any deal, and a lot depended on the man who owns Alexanders where the tables are currently residing. Even if they are sold, the money will not be enough to cover everyone's bad checks. So that's where things remain today, UNRESOLVED!

I will keep you updated as to any progress that happens. I'm planning a trip back to Phoenix the week after the BCA event is over.
 
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watchez said:
I hope you are right JAM but you are unfortunately probably wrong. Not picking on you - but I can see how it would be hard to criticize Chuck when KT is still given a blanket excuse for the same thing on a grander scale.

I hear that Chuck now has some ocean front property for sale in Arizona as well. j/k

Knowingly showed Jay a fake bank statement. Knowingly wrote Jay and others a fake check. Enough said.


What's it to you? Have you been affected financially by professional pool? Are you an aspiring professional player who has been harmed? Has Chuck or KT not paid you monies that are owed?

Enough said.

JAM
 
I Just Woke Up From A Long Day's Sleep

BRKNRUN said:
What you want for the tables ?

We're not for sale.

Not for sale ?
There's no such thing as not for sale.

''Not for sale'' !
Not for sale, eh ?

- Are they a pair or would you
consider sellin' 'em separate ?


(Anyone want to guess the movie???)


My first thought was The Blues Brothers.
Doug
( and I thought it was women, not tables ) :)
 
Mark Griffin said:
I personally am tired of all the problems that are in the pool industry. I LOST over $80,000 when I did the Qlympics last November. Everybody got PAID on the spot..

Mark,
when you anounced about olympics I expressed my concerns and posted on this form immediately after the anouncement.
If you want to get into pro pool you may consider Womens Pro pool but not Mens pro pool.
I don`t like to see nice people like u get burnt.
 
JAM said:
No, thank you. I do not want Chuck's phone number. I do not want to take part in tarring and feathering a man on this forum who only wanted to make something happen good for pool.

I am still optimistic that he will make things right with the players and Jay Helfert.

I cannot imagine how awful he feels about this happening. He had good intentions and did not succeed. I don't think he deserves some of the mean-spirited criticism occurring right now -- not yet.

I am giving this man, the who tried to make things happen for pool, the benefit of the doubt. Time will tell if he makes things right.

I want the players to get paid as much as everyone else, but this man was once a pool sponsor in Arizona who was respected by the locals. Let's see if he can do the right thing. Whatever happens, I have a feeling it will be him whose life will be forever changed for trying to sponsor pool.

JAM

Jen,

Maybe I'm reading all this wrong, but are you trying to make this man some sort of victim. If so, I'm terribly confused.
 
ironman said:
Jen,

Maybe I'm reading all this wrong, but are you trying to make this man some sort of victim. If so, I'm terribly confused.

I think this man, Chuck Bobbit, a pool sponsor in Arizona of many events, known to locals who participated in his successful events, bit off more than he can chew with this Desert tournament.

The whole situation stinks, for the players, for Jay Helfert, and for this man. Nobody comes out a winner in this fiasco.

That said, Chuck Bobbit, who is scrambling right now to get monies to pay everybody off, will be the one who suffers a huge financial burden, one he shouldn't have been in to begin with most likely. He wanted to make something grand happen in Arizona for pool, and he will most likely suffer for his poor decision the rest of his life. All in the name of pool. :(

I do believe the players and Jay will get paid. It is a shame they have to wait for the funds.

JAM
 
jay helfert said:
A few words about a few things mentioned on this thread.

Number one to the guy who thinks that running a professional pool tournament is just writing names on a board and calling them off, I say "Have at it!" I'm sure that you can do my job for much less than me. As to whether the players, the fans, the room owner, etc. etc. will be happy with your work, that remains to be seen. I will say this, the work doing the board is the easy part. I take pride in my work and pay close attention to everything involved in running the tournament. And there's a lot more to it than you can imagine.

A few things to consider. You are dealing with 64 players (or more) with different wants and needs. Some of these guys are great and some can be a big headache. BUT, you have to deal with all of them, like it or not. You may be in charge of setting up the playing arena (like I was in Phoenix). How that looks depends upon your expertise, and what you have to work with. You may have to figure out how to control the gate and how much to charge (yes on both counts here). Spectators and fans will be asking you a million (and I'm not exaggerating) questions about the tournament. You must be patient and do your best to answer them all. Heaven forbid you piss someone off.

And there's more. Who gets a pass? Do you know, and how do you handle the pass situation? What about the rules? Can you explain them to the satisfaction of all the players during the players meeting? Now comes the hard part, you have to go out on the floor and make calls in all kinds on odd situations, not just good hits or bad hits. What do you do if the player knocks a piece of chalk off the rail and it hits an object ball hanging in the pocket and it drops? Don't laugh, it's happened! Could you handle that to the satisfaction of both players?

Oh, and what about the scheduling of matches, how long each round should be and how late to play each night. I guess you have that all wired too. One hint, it's different depending on how many tables you have and how many days the tourney lasts. But you knew that already, didn't you. There's more too, like crowd control and appeasing the fire marshals. But I won't bore you with the trivial stuff.

That brings us to number two. How did I let this tournament go on without knowing the money was good? Actually I was quite hesitant when I arrived on the Tuesday before the tournament began and sat in on a meeting with the hotel people. I knew then that this promoter had not done his homework. It was a close call whether to stay or leave that day. If Kolby's hadn't come through, I would have taken the next plane out. And I made that clear to Chuck.

The second issue was about the purse. I demanded a full accounting of his finances, which he grudgingly gave me. I told him I wouldn't start the tournament until I knew the money was good. He took me by his business and I could see he had a fairly substantial operation. I still insisted on seeing bank statements, which he ultimately produced the day of the event. And there was nearly enough money to cover the entire prize fund. But he told me that he had player entry fees in cash on hand. Plus we knew the gate would add more money to his coffers. I also felt an obligation to the players who had traveled great distances to play. So I did my best to see that they had a tournament to play in.

And now we are where we are at today. The top five players (plus me) remain unpaid. Chuck did answer my call early this morning. "Hello Buddy" he said. I wanted to gag. I let him know in no uncertain terms how displeased I was with the state of things and how he had misled me. He DID lie to me more than once. He said once again he was sorry and he would make it right. Naturally I asked him how. He told me a deal was pending for his eight Diamond pool tables with Mark Griffin. And he went on to add that someone may be buying his business for cash. I told him that writing bad checks was a felony in Arizona, and I had talked with the Maricopa County Check Enforcement division (all true). I wanted that on the table. Then I told him that Mark and I had been friends for many years and I was going to call him next, and I did.

So I called Mark who was up to his ears in preparation for the BCA Nationals. I told him about my conversation with Chuck and he confirmed that they had spoken. But he said they were far from any deal, and a lot depended on the man who owns Alexanders where the tables are currently residing. Even if they are sold, the money will not be enough to cover everyone's bad checks. So that's where things remain today, UNRESOLVED!

I will keep you updated as to any progress that happens. I'm planning a trip back to Phoenix the week after the BCA event is over.
Hey Jay,

I know you owe me a lunch from a bet we had but I think I now owe you a lunch. Let me know when you are here in Phoenix after the BCA's and I will take you out to lunch one day while you are here. Thanks for everything that you did when you were here and I sure hope everything works out.

BVal
 
Smorgass Bored said:
My first thought was The Blues Brothers.
Doug
( and I thought it was women, not tables ) :)


You are half correct... but I am not saying which half...;)
 
BVal said:
Hey Jay,

I know you owe me a lunch from a bet we had but I think I now owe you a lunch. Let me know when you are here in Phoenix after the BCA's and I will take you out to lunch one day while you are here. Thanks for everything that you did when you were here and I sure hope everything works out.

BVal
Baconator??? :D
 
Jay: Keep fighting! You're doing a good job for the players!

(As a former TD myself, I know it can be a LOT of work, and millions of dumb questions. And why do they always ask those dumb questions when you are in a hurry? ;))
 
BVal said:
Hey Jay,

I know you owe me a lunch from a bet we had but I think I now owe you a lunch. Let me know when you are here in Phoenix after the BCA's and I will take you out to lunch one day while you are here. Thanks for everything that you did when you were here and I sure hope everything works out.

BVal

Hey...don't forget to call me...:)
 
JAM said:
Are you aware that the BCA League sponsors Shane Van Boening, an American professional pool player?

It is Americans with opinions like yours that keeps American pool in the gutter. What a shame! :(

JAM

Cheers JAM,
I can live with that comment as long as you do not say that I caused Hurricane Katrina,got Bush reelected and global warming.
 
vagabond said:
Cheers JAM,
I can live with that comment as long as you do not say that I caused Hurricane Katrina,got Bush reelected and global warming.

If I were you, I wouldn't want to hang out in pool rooms watching action or traveling the world to attend pool tournaments where these pool player creatures hang out, poising themselves to bite sponsor hands.

Try badminton. The players may provide better entertainment for you.

JAM
 

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