Thinking of giving up the game

9 ball

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I am seriously thinking of giving up the game for good and its all because of 1 little thing: the stop shot, now you may be wondering why would I give up the game all because of 1 shot and thats because for the last 3 years I have been practicing 5 hours a week on every aspect of my game but when it comes to using power shot or a spin shot all I seem to be able to do is a stop shot, and it dosen't matter how low or high I hit the cb it still produces a stop shot.

Its gotten to the point I am not enjoying the game as much and I can't even put any of joe tuckers lessons in guaranteed improvement to the test because they call for different types of spin shots.

I am at my wits end, if anyone can help I would be greatful but if not I might have to consider giving up the the game.
 
Have Some Compassion!!!

1pRoscoe said:
Let me know if you have any good cues for sale at a decent price...

Must everything be about profit and profiteering:( ??

Lend some insights to help 9 Ball out-don't look to make a buck off of his situation.

9 Ball - No way to diagnose something like that from afar. If I was a betting man (and I am) I would guess that you are so apprehensive you're not letting your stroke out. Its definitely understandable but perhaps if you devised some practice shots where you way overexaggerate your follow thru - you could notice a difference.

Best advice - go see see the best instructor in the area and have him videotape you while playing. Even the Tiger Wood's or the world go to an instructor on a regular basis.

Good Luck!!!
 
Where R U

9 ball said:
I am seriously thinking of giving up the game for good and its all because of 1 little thing: the stop shot, now you may be wondering why would I give up the game all because of 1 shot and thats because for the last 3 years I have been practicing 5 hours a week on every aspect of my game but when it comes to using power shot or a spin shot all I seem to be able to do is a stop shot, and it dosen't matter how low or high I hit the cb it still produces a stop shot.

Its gotten to the point I am not enjoying the game as much and I can't even put any of joe tuckers lessons in guaranteed improvement to the test because they call for different types of spin shots.

I am at my wits end, if anyone can help I would be greatful but if not I might have to consider giving up the the game.

What part of the world are you in 9 ball ?
 
I would suggest getting someone to watch you practice, someone with a reputation for being able to teach, ie: transmit what they know to someone else. Video tape yourself, and get someone to watch the tape with you.
No insult intended, but 5 hours a week for three years isn't much time on your game. I understand that more than that may not be possible for you, how much do you PLAY per week, if you spend that much time practiciing? Do you get the same results when you play? If you really don't think you're progressing afte 3 years, you need some help to move on. Just my thought, I'd look at your stroke, you may not be following through enough to accomplish what you want. A short, punchy stroke (ala Alan Hopkins) may not work for you.
 
Find a hobby you enjoy. If pool isn't it, so be it. Don't play pool if you're not enjoying it. Maybe this game isn't for you.
 
Set up a shot with the cue ball about 12 inches behind the object ball. Maybe to shoot into the side pocket....Get down and prepare for a draw shot and then close your eyes and shoot...I bet you draw the ball back...Because you followed thru....You didn't hold back...Do that a few times and then do it with your eyes open. Follow thru is the key....I am sure there are many ways to help but this one really helped me...
 
I've never heard of someone not being able to be taught the draw shot in 3 years. Something ain't right here. Johnnyt
 
NINEBALLART said:
Set up a shot with the cue ball about 12 inches behind the object ball. Maybe to shoot into the side pocket....Get down and prepare for a draw shot and then close your eyes and shoot...I bet you draw the ball back...Because you followed thru....You didn't hold back...Do that a few times and then do it with your eyes open. Follow thru is the key....I am sure there are many ways to help but this one really helped me...

That's actually a pretty good exercise. Don't think about what you are doing and just let your body do the work.

I would agree to have someone review your stroke and watch where you are hitting the cueball. As long as you are not miscueing, you should be getting some draw or forward english. It can all be from the lack of snap in your wrist and elbow.

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It was meant in jest, Keith... You of all know I'm not that compassionate.. ;)

I have days/weeks where I feel the same every now and then. I'd say find a coach and work drills.....
 
Ross-Get Closer To Your Inner Child

1pRoscoe said:
It was meant in jest, Keith... You of all know I'm not that compassionate.. ;)

I have days/weeks where I feel the same every now and then. I'd say find a coach and work drills.....

And you, my friend, know how I like to yanks some individuals chains! :D

Ross-consider meditation, maybe chanting a "mantra" over and over-something to get you more at peace with the world.

Peace - Hari Krishna - Power To The People
 
SirBanksALot said:
And you, my friend, know how I like to yanks some individuals chains! :D

Ross-consider meditation, maybe chanting a "mantra" over and over-something to get you more at peace with the world.

Peace - Hari Krishna - Power To The People
Scientology has really been the key to who I am... works for Tom Cruise!! :D

btw, I will still squash you... :p
 
Make sure your cue is holding chalk well.
Keep the cue level with the floor (as much as possble).
Try bridging a little closer which will allow for follow through without much effort.
Its not a snap/pop shot.You really have to run your stick though the ball.
 
Thunderball said:
Make sure your cue is holding chalk well.
Keep the cue level with the floor (as much as possble).
Try bridging a little closer which will allow for follow through without much effort.
Its not a snap/pop shot.You really have to run your stick though the ball.


9 Ball - Thunderball is right on!!

Again-see an instructor, have them videotape you playing. Compare the stroke you are using now to the stroke you want to have and figure out what adjustments or changes you need to make.

Work on those changes. Studies show it takes approx 28 days of daily repetition to change a habit. Whatever your instructor recommends and whatever you see-work on it for a month (forget about making balls or winning any cash) to the exclusion of everything else and it will pay dividends.

Its obvious you care about your game and are passionate about taking it to a higher level.

Its only right that your caring and passion be rewarded.....GOOD LUCK!!
 
9 ball said:
I am seriously thinking of giving up the game for good and its all because of 1 little thing: the stop shot, now you may be wondering why would I give up the game all because of 1 shot and thats because for the last 3 years I have been practicing 5 hours a week on every aspect of my game but when it comes to using power shot or a spin shot all I seem to be able to do is a stop shot, and it dosen't matter how low or high I hit the cb it still produces a stop shot.

Its gotten to the point I am not enjoying the game as much and I can't even put any of joe tuckers lessons in guaranteed improvement to the test because they call for different types of spin shots.

I am at my wits end, if anyone can help I would be greatful but if not I might have to consider giving up the the game.

I once took a lesson from Jan McWhorter, a WPBA pro. She noticed on one particular shot (snooker people call it a blind shot cutting back to a pocket) that my stance changed and I wasn't "seeing" the shot the same way, I was "definitely missing" some critical information and feedback from that shot (not to mention repeatedly missing similar shots).

I bet you are moving on the shot, i.e., your body is moving and your head is coming up, possibly you are closing your eyes as you shoot. I say this because you are missing lots of visual information and feedback on what is actually happening in front of you on every shot. PAY ATTENTION, and store the good information. The devil is in the details. If you aren't seeing (or believing!) what is actually happening in front of you, how can you learn, anticipate what will happen next, then take that information and play with it to _MOVE_ the rock where you want it to go? I suggest you FREEZE YOUR HEAD and really watch what is going on in real time, every shot. If you are on drugs or cannot process real-time information, try high-speed video playback or give up sports and move to checkers.

Take a striped ball, place it in the center, aim your cue at that ball in dead center towards any corner pocket. Do your damnedest to hit that ball with chalked cue dead center on the numbers. Observe closely. Once struck with "the proper speed" the ball should slide about 2 diamonds with no appreciable roll, then start rolling forward. Watch for it, pay attention. Key to moving whitey around the table is knowing exactly what it is doing AT THE MOMENT OF CONTACT with the object ball, and what it should do next. Pick up that ball and see if the chalk mark on the ball corresponds with where you think you aimed it, because: you might have screwed up.

Meaning poor stroke, back to fundamentals of delivering your cue on dead line exactly where you aimed it. Don't quit practicing till you have it nailed, and can deliver whitey as best you can where you mean it to hit. Uhm, 85% or whatever your standards are.

The first rule is: Whitey (cueball) doesn't lie. He does what he does because we hit him this way, this is physics, not a freak show of outrageous luck, or otherwise we give up the 500 year old game as total luck. It is not, it is skill, you are the fudging factor, get over it and get to work making it better or just give it up and find something else to do more fun with less work. The rest of us here prefer the billiards path towards excellence. Or so we say, despite *****ing along the way.

If you aim low but whitey arrives dead ball you may have aimed low but did not actually hit low, or hit too slow allowing whitey to rotate back, slide, then hit. WATCH THE FRICKIN ball and see if it rotates backwards all the way to the ball and comes back. You have eyeballs, friends, or a camera. Face facts squarely. If you have no friends, give up billiards and read "How to Make Friends and Influence Strangers" by Dale Carnegie.

Frankly, take a cellphone or video camera and record 10 shots, post it on YouTube and the link here, pretty soon if your local instructors don't pan out we here at AZB might find some pointers to help more.

You may be thrilled to know that many of us here consider the stop shot the most important shot in pool, and critical because it lets us know where the cue ball is moving next, it is only a matter of speed from there. If you have this shot nailed, you are on your way to great enjoyment in your billiards future.
 
1pRoscoe said:
btw, I will still squash you... :p

Ross-what you say is probably true. But realize that if you do "squash me" - I can live with it. (I am not a virgin in that department:D )

However-since you are clearly the superior player (and a great humanitarian to boot) I know that would not want a hollow victory by you and I playing even.

Exactly how much better are you than me??

Do I need "TBAATB" or will just a ball or two do the trick?

Rest your eyes, burn some incense, repeat the mantra and think calm thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you after VF.:) :)

Keith
 
9 ball said:
... for the last 3 years I have been practicing 5 hours a week on every aspect of my game but when it comes to using power shot or a spin shot all I seem to be able to do is a stop shot, and it doesn't matter how low or high I hit the CB it still produces a stop shot....
By your count, you have spent about 800 hours practicing pool. The good news is that if you find a competent instructor, he may get you to be able to shoot a good follow or draw shot within a couple of hours. The bad news is that if you can't shoot spin shots after 800 hours of practice, it's quite possible you never will. Maybe you have gross problems with your mechanics. If so, no one here can begin to diagnose what your problem is without seeing you shoot. Such problems can produce exactly the symptoms you have.

Is there no pool coach in Scotland?
 
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