Pool in America is dying. That's a plain fact. If a team format gets more people interested in the game, then I'm all for it.
Times and interests change, changes need to come to the world of pool, or it will disappear.
This is gonna hurt dcc
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Pool in America is dying. That's a plain fact. If a team format gets more people interested in the game, then I'm all for it.
Times and interests change, changes need to come to the world of pool, or it will disappear.
I doubt this "GIANT" wpa event will come close to having the number of entries that the DCC has. Not to mention that this it their FIRST YEAR! so yes I think they should schedule their event around the DCC which in its 12th or 13th year.
You say "pool is dying in America" well hell yes!!! with this kinda crap going on it doesn't stand a chance. The only way to revive and improve American pool and Professional pool in genereral is for them to work together. And not try to out schedule each other. especially a well respected long standing event.
P.S. No disrespect intended... but why the hell should the DCC have to move anything? they were there first. If the promoters across the Atlantic wanted to do the right thing, they would move their inaugural event IMO
You say "pool is dying in America" well hell yes!!! with this kinda crap going on it doesn't stand a chance. The only way to revive and improve American pool and Professional pool in genereral is for them to work together. And not try to out schedule each other. especially a well respected long standing event.
P.S. No disrespect intended... but why the hell should the DCC have to move anything? they were there first. If the promoters across the Atlantic wanted to do the right thing, they would move their inaugural event IMO
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the Team Championship will have 200 players. 50 teams with 4 players on each team. $ 100,000 in first prize. Yes, it IS a giant event.
This is not an open event, teams are invited. They will fill up, and they allow only 1 team per country. This event is huge internationally compared to the DCC.
Yes, the DCC will have more players, but like another poster just said, DCC is more of an American event. Maybe 10 % of the field is foreigners, and they would definitely not go to DCC if it was not for the 9-ball event. "only" americans play one-pocket and bank-pool.
What DCC should have done now, was to move the events around so 9-ball was the first event played. If they did that, they would get all the top players in, I guess.
I'm going to have to sort of agree with you........ Overall I think that This tournament will be much better for pool than the DCC will ever be. Don't get me wrong I love the format of the DCC by bringing more less known games to attention like 9 Ball Banks and 1 pocket by having professionals compete in them at a high level for decent prize money as well as the intimate atmosphere with availabilty of interaction between fans and professionals. But to be honest DCC is known as a "Hustlers Ball". Which I am sure the WPA is not trying to promote for their sport. Isn't a tournament featuring "Teams" from over 50 countries competing for prize money and the honour of representing your country more likely to A: Reach a broader Audience and B: Give the game a better name. I know the topic of how to improve the exposure of the game has been beaten to death in here. But IMO tournaments like this are a great start to get the ball rolling..... I think we need More WPA sanctioned events like this to really get the sport off the ground and in the right view of the public.
It is unfortunate that these tournaments overlap each other this year.
Who knows maybe it was planned that way???
Just my thoughts
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Dave
It is unfortunate that these tournaments overlap each other this year.
Who knows maybe it was planned that way???
Just my thoughts
k:Dave
That's my opinion as well... I'm all in for ANYTHING that improves our sport. I just think promoters should be sensitive to the other major events (whether or not they think the DCC is major or not... it is) and try to accomodate the players by giving them the opportunity to play in all the events. Although it sounds like this WPA is exclusive even though it's "international". I mean 4 players from each country? sure leaves alot of folks out. Maybe the DCC will only be missing 4 Americans and 4 pinoys. too bad it might be the best each country has to offer
Not to be the devil's advocate because I love the DCC... but it sounds like SVB is at least considering skipping the DCC to go to the WPA event... so what does that say about the DCC? no one is putting a gun to anyones head and forcing them to go to the WPA event
I would think you will be missing more than that. Obviously you will have a large contigent of American Pro's still......but you will be missing (speculation at this point) 8 out of 10 of the top finishers in the 9 ball division last year including the defending champion.(SVB) as well as the top 2 players in the world (Mika, Ralf) more than likely the top Philippino draws ( Efren, Busti,Lee Van etc....) and then the top "4" players from each country Appleton etc..... who would have more than likely been there..... I was planning on going down (9 hr drive) myself this year with a friend but I seroiusly doubt it with all the talent it will be missing.
Also with the "depleted field" should we just give the 9 ball title to Dennis Hatch now???
Just my thoughts..
Dave
I seriously doubt that Team Philippines will consist of Efren, Django and Alex.
Most likely Ronato Alcano, Dennis Orcullo and Lee Van Corteza will be 3 of the 4 Filipinos playing, and only Lee Van is a regular at DCC. (Plus, I've been told that Efren and Django will be at DCC)
SVB, Corey Deuel, Johnny Archer and Oscar Dominguez will play for Team USA.
Ralf, Darren, Niels and Marcus all told me they will play World Team event, and won't make the DCC.
Last year I think Ralf, Darren, Niels, Katrine, Marcus, Mika, Thorsten, "pooladdict" and I were the only Europeans at DCC, so even though 100 Europeans will play the World Event, only a handful of those 100 used to play the DCC...
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So you don't think the DCC without the players you have listed will be hurt??
Those are some pretty good action guys - this World Event couldn't wait a week?
Of course it will be hurt, but it's an event with almost 400 players, and I think less than 25 of them will be playing the world event.
Yes, it's the top players, but it's not like 250 players won't join DCC because of it.
ALL the top one-pocket players will be there. Corey Deuel is the only player that has finished high (2nd) at DCC one-pocket that will not be there.
ALL the top bank-pool players will be there.
Aren't those two events having 350 players each?
Perhaps there will be 320 playes in each division this year, instead of 350+
The DCC will still be a great event.
I think the WPA does not decide on dates. That is usually the job of the promoter/organizer. The WPA doesn't have the personnel, funds or contacts to produce tournaments itself. Here is something that is probably related:
The World Team Championship and Billiard Exhibition runs concurrently with ABF, northern Germany’s biggest recreation and shopping exhibition (from January 30th to February 7th).
That should help ticket sales.
I wonder how many of those teams will actually win money after plane tickets, hotel, food, entry fee, etc. I'm guessing maybe ten out of fifty.
Could be, but a lot of the teams will get their trips paid by the national federations.
I am 100 % sure that the teams from Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Netherland, Germany, Spain, Italy etc are all sponsored by their federation, since they have federations that get income from the "league"-players and support from government, national olympic committees etc...
From the tournament invitation flyer:
Added money: $398,000
Entry fee: none
Team 1 $100,000 ($25000/player)
...
Teams 17-24 $6000 ($1500/player)
(Teams may consist of 4-6 players.)
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Also.....
Love the Format.....It's like Multiple Mini Mosconi Cups Happening
From the Invitation Flyer
"Playing Format:
Double elimination
last 16 Single elimination
two scotch double matches 8-ball race to 6
two single matches 9-ball race to 8
two single matches 10-ball race to 7
If a match read a tie (3:3)
Shoot out will be deciding who wins the match"
And no entry fee....it would pretty hard to turn this down for the Pro's
I can't believe Matchroom didn't get a piece of this.....
Dave
Love the Format.....It's like Multiple Mini Mosconi Cups Happening
From the Invitation Flyer
"Playing Format:
Double elimination
last 16 Single elimination
two scotch double matches 8-ball race to 6
two single matches 9-ball race to 8
two single matches 10-ball race to 7
If a match read a tie (3:3)
Shoot out will be deciding who wins the match"
And no entry fee....it would pretty hard to turn this down for the Pro's
I can't believe Matchroom didn't get a piece of this.....
Dave
and....
I wonder if the timing had anything to do with the Built up Hype and general feeling about international competition with the Winter Olympics happening a week later? I might be reading too much into this or they have some pretty good marketing minds behind this......I know that the Olympic fever is already catching here in Canada, being the host country definately helps that..........
Dave
I wonder if the timing had anything to do with the Built up Hype and general feeling about international competition with the Winter Olympics happening a week later? I might be reading too much into this or they have some pretty good marketing minds behind this......I know that the Olympic fever is already catching here in Canada, being the host country definately helps that..........
Dave
I only recall seeing Lee Van Cortezza at the last DCC -- not exactly a "regular". Orcollo maybe 2-3 at most. Alcano maybe two. Efren missed a few of the first ones, but has been to nearly every one since, except I think one year there was some kind of Asian event that conflicted. Bustamante, has certainly been to many also.
Many of the top Euro's have been to the DCC in recent years -- like Thorsten, Appleton, etc. It is a major tournament on the world scene for sure. Inexplicable that this happened accidentally. A major slap to Diamond and Greg, imho. Who is the presumably competing table company sponsor at this new event?
Many of the top Euro's have been to the DCC in recent years -- like Thorsten, Appleton, etc. It is a major tournament on the world scene for sure. Inexplicable that this happened accidentally. A major slap to Diamond and Greg, imho. Who is the presumably competing table company sponsor at this new event?
Pool in America is dying? I thought pool leagues were doing pretty good , there are several of them. If prize funding is guaranteed it really doesn't make much difference.
Go to the tournament announcement forums and you will see regional tournaments that conflict , yet people still put them on. I see where there is a 6000 dollar added event in Nashville the same weekend they are having a 1500 dollar event in Temple, Tx.
The value of the each event would be determined by the distance and costs to travel to each one , whether they have a calcutta or not, etc.
Competition is good , those events that don't hack it will fall by the wayside.
If you think cooperation insures success take a look at professional bowling , the PBA has had a monopoly on professional bowling and it isn't doing very good.I haven't seen a live event on television in a while.
They use to be on television every Saturday for 30 years. They had to change the final round format after the moved to cable and abandoned the stair step format.
They women's tour died , just the opposite of pool as far as men's and women's events. People can have a pool tournament anywhere they want , it isn't restricted , that is good.
How deep is the talent really , once you get past the top 20 or so?Is this a personality cult thing? I can tell you that there are many good pool players who've never played organized pool.
Either avoid social situations and like to play in the corner of a pool room with nobody around. They don't like to travel etc. Is all of pool just 9 and 10 ball?
Roy Steffenson(sp) mentioned that in Europe that they don't play much 1 pocket or banks pool. Americans don't play much straight pool anymore, but they like it in Europe.
I'd say pool is pretty healthy , each past time will reach a saturation point. Each new generation brings new fans.With all the diversions people have and the competition for money i'd say pool is doing pretty good.
We have more organized sports than most countries in the world so competition for peoples interest is great. Look at poker , draw games are out and most people play only Hold'em.
If you want to see something die , let a few people control it.