This is gonna hurt dcc

watchez said:
Greg shouldn't have to protect the dates of the DCC.

To promote another major event during the same timeframe when the DCC dates are announced well in advance is nothing short of idiotic.
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Exactly, the actions of the WPA speak far louder then the words.

Guess how that reads to me Jerry.

"Well we tried to strongarm Greg into changing rules, adding more money, ect. He did not do it. We certainly would have not created the conflict if he had bent to our will, we certainly had the option of setting our event at a time that did not conflict, but since he did not bend to our will we just created this new event and decided to screw over the DCC with it."

Gotta love that synergy between the promotions. Can you all feel the love? The WPA clearly feels that the success of the WPA is far more important to them then the success of this sport as a whole.

Classy move WPA, the fans are impressed. As Watchez said, there is a HUGE number of dates in this sport where BUGGER ALL takes place, if you want people to believe you just randomly stumbled into the DCC date without even realizing it think again.
 
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u12armresl said:
Wouldn't another solution be to do away with the buyback format?

Doesn't pretty much everyone buyback anyway? Make it a double elimination and you can still use the random drawing system.
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they wont sanction the event period, i spoke to the top brass today. I dont like it because now I dont get top players in my event, it cheats the top players out of a payday when they stackdates on top of each other, it hurts the players more than anyone else. but thats pool-selfdestructive as ever.
 
There are a couple of solutions to this problem. It is NOT insurmountable. One is that the players who opt to play at DCC not have to play the first day at the World Team event. This has been done before so there is precedence for it. In fact both Greg Sullivan and Barry Behrman have worked hard to accommodate foreign players coming to their respective tournaments. Question is, will the German promoters do the same when the shoe is on the other foot. It does seem as if international promoters show little concern for American events. Even the U.S. Open has had its dates stepped on before.

The second solution would be to put the 9-Ball division up front at DCC. How doable this is I have no idea. Greg has always tried to do everything in his power to assist the players.

The bad news is that something like this could spell doom for DCC. Greg does this event out of his love for the game and the players. If they turn their collective backs on him now, he may pull the plug on DCC in the future. Don't say I didn't warn you.
 
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Greg Sullivan ROCKS!!

Well ,i'd still like to see it sanctioned but nothing is
going to hurt the DCC too much
This tournament is a celebration of why many play pool
Fats would have called it one hell of a jamboree
It's JOHNSON CITY on STEROIDS
And Greg can give most sponsors the 2 hit and the pick

ps
why is anybody surprised about Tiger?
we all knew he's a swinger
 
There are so many good players at the DCC that I will not notice who is missing. It is still the best pool vacation there is. I look forward to this week all year and I don't think this other tourny will have any impact. JMHO, Tom
 
Celtic said:
Exactly, the actions of the WPA speak far louder then the words.

Guess how that reads to me Jerry.

"Well we tried to strongarm Greg into changing rules, adding more money, ect. He did not do it. We certainly would have not created the conflict if he had bent to our will, we certainly had the option of setting our event at a time that did not conflict, but since he did not bend to our will we just created this new event and decided to screw over the DCC with it."

Gotta love that synergy between the promotions. Can you all feel the love? The WPA clearly feels that the success of the WPA is far more important to them then the success of this sport as a whole.

Classy move WPA, the fans are impressed. As Watchez said, there is a HUGE number of dates in this sport where BUGGER ALL takes place, if you want people to believe you just randomly stumbled into the DCC date without even realizing it think again.
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Or maybe just partly screw Derby City this year, like a warning shot. But if Greg doesn't capitulate, then next year look for the WPA to schedule an event smack opposite Derby City. I sure hope not, but the paranoid in me wonders. I sure hope I am proven wrong next year... Btw, I'm pretty sure Greg publicizes his dates several years in advance, not just months.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I think the promotor is some German group.

The WPA doesn't choose dates, they only sanction events.

For 2010 they had no sanctioned events on the date the germans wanted to have a tournament.
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Thanks Roy. BTW, my email to the WPA (posted in this thread) went unanswered, so far.

Any ideas as to how to determine who the potential German promoter is? And furthermore get a bead on their resume and their "agenda"?

This detective work is right down our AZB's #1 Euro poster alley. :)
 
DCC and WPA date issue

It is unfortunate the World Team Event conflicts with the DCC dates. But I think a lot of people are confusing the issues.

Greg and I have talked to WPA several times (going back to around 2003) and we were told the event was not 'sanctionable' due to structure , payouts, and games. (Remeber the WPA does not sanction one pocket or banks and JUST recently recognized 10-Ball).

The promoter of the WTC event is trying to be at this large trade show in Germany and his dates were somewhat restricted.

I think it is wrong to blame the WPA. They do NOT pick the dates - they only recognize (sanction) events produced by others - if they comply with certain criteria.

This concept is not all bad - BUT there NEEDS to be a 'recognition' category for the WPA that is based on date recognition - with a small 'fee' charged.

It is not fair that the WPA start demanding that all sanctioned events comply with ALL their criteria. Because they all don't.

The pool world needs to work a little bit closer together. The conflicting dates hurt the top players more than anyone else.

Hopefully WPA and others will see the need for some kind of 'recognized' calendar that might help prevent some of these problems.

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Roy Steffensen said:
I seriously doubt that Team Philippines will consist of Efren, Django and Alex.

Most likely Ronato Alcano, Dennis Orcullo and Lee Van Corteza will be 3 of the 4 Filipinos playing, and only Lee Van is a regular at DCC. (Plus, I've been told that Efren and Django will be at DCC)

SVB, Corey Deuel, Johnny Archer and Oscar Dominguez will play for Team USA.

Ralf, Darren, Niels and Marcus all told me they will play World Team event, and won't make the DCC.

Last year I think Ralf, Darren, Niels, Katrine, Marcus, Mika, Thorsten, "pooladdict" and I were the only Europeans at DCC, so even though 100 Europeans will play the World Event, only a handful of those 100 used to play the DCC...
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These are the qualified players based on recent performance in international events; Corteza, Manalo, Alcano, Lining, Kiamco, and Orcullo. They will be required to go on a training camp before the event. The team can consist of more than 4 players.
 
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ugotactionTX said:
I doubt this "GIANT" wpa event will come close to having the number of entries that the DCC has. Not to mention that this it their FIRST YEAR! so yes I think they should schedule their event around the DCC which in its 12th or 13th year.

You say "pool is dying in America" well hell yes!!! with this kinda crap going on it doesn't stand a chance. The only way to revive and improve American pool and Professional pool in genereral is for them to work together. And not try to out schedule each other. especially a well respected long standing event.


P.S. No disrespect intended... but why the hell should the DCC have to move anything? they were there first. If the promoters across the Atlantic wanted to do the right thing, they would move their inaugural event IMO
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We need to put things into perspective. There are 50 countries participating in the WPA team event. Out of those 50 only 4 or 5 do show up at DCC. 40plus nations has no connection(even sentimental) to DCC. It will be unfair to always have the WPA schedule revolves around certain pool personalities from those 4 or 5 nations.

People around here in the US should recognize by now that WPA events are country-oriented instead of personality. Their responsibilities tend towards the member organizations of WPA and not to any promoter.

I believe, in the US, pool will very likely follow the same story as Football(Soccer) although it might not be as huge. It declined in the US but picked up around world. Now, US is on its wat to get back into the Football action. This is probably the first time that USA will be seeded in FIFA World Cup for a long long time.
 
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This is just my opinion, you may not agree. I for one don't want to go pay money to watch 9 ball matches, when there is no Archer, SVB, Mika, Ralf, Thorsten, Neils, Aplleton, Lee Van Corteza, or any other top player that goes over there to make some real money. I don't care if there's 1000 entrants. These guys are most of the top players of the last 5 or 6 years.

Also there are very few people that actually make money at the DCC. With hotel prices where they are, and the cost of fuel. That doesn't even cover the entry fee into all the Tournaments for 9 or 10 days. If I was a great player and got the offer to go play in the WPA tournament instead of DCC, I would in a heart beat. Like I said, just one man's opinion.
 
I don't think it will hurt DCC too much. Basically you are not going to get the Euro's and four Americans. I have always went to Derby for action and not having the people there who are going to this goofy gaffe event in Germany won't impact my enjoyment of the event one little bit.

Here is my personal reasoning for that fact: The only Euro players who ever do do much in action are Appleton and Niels and while I will miss hanging out with my man Daz it won't be the end of the world and none of the other Europeans play the kind of pool I like to watch so it's really no biggie to me.

Of the Americans I have heard that are going(SVB, Archer, Corey, Oscar) only Shane is always in heavy action with Oscar willing to get down when possible. Again both guys are my buddies and Derby won't be the same without them but it is not the end of the world.

One thing I told Greg he should do is tell EVERY player who now gets a free room and entries for winning the all around or Louis Roberts award that if they choose to play another event, no matter what or where, instead of the Derby then they forfeit that little $2000ish perk they were getting every year and would be on their own from here on out. It really pisses me off to think of people turning their back on an event like Derby and a promoter like Greg Sullivan.

Greg is a much nicer man than me and said he could never do that.

I havent talked to Shane about this recently but I suspect he will be at the Derby for the first part if for no other reason than he has to be somewhere. By that I mean he isnt going to Germany 10 days early and he has always made so much money at the Derby I doubt he is gonna sit in Denver or wherever while all big hitters in the action world are under one roof a plane ride away. I may be wrong but I just have a hard time believing he is gonna miss Derby all together. We'll see if I am right in January I guess.

Overall I know Derby will be what it always has been no matter who does or doesn't show up and that is the best pool event in the world. See you all there in January.
 
Erno said:
This is just my opinion, you may not agree. I for one don't want to go pay money to watch 9 ball matches, when there is no Archer, SVB, Mika, Ralf, Thorsten, Neils, Aplleton, Lee Van Corteza, or any other top player that goes over there to make some real money. I don't care if there's 1000 entrants. These guys are most of the top players of the last 5 or 6 years.

Also there are very few people that actually make money at the DCC. With hotel prices where they are, and the cost of fuel. That doesn't even cover the entry fee into all the Tournaments for 9 or 10 days. If I was a great player and got the offer to go play in the WPA tournament instead of DCC, I would in a heart beat. Like I said, just one man's opinion.
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Have you ever been to the Derby before ?

If so do you only go for the last part to watch the nine ball ? Is the tournament the only thing you watch ?
 
JCIN said:
Have you ever been to the Derby before ?

If so do you only go for the last part to watch the nine ball ? Is the tournament the only thing you watch ?
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I usually just go to watch the straight pool event and then go straight to my room and sleep.


Am i missing something???????????
 
JCIN - I think you forgot about the Pinoys. All the best matches the past few years have been with the Pinoys. Alex, Dennis, Efren, Busty. I am sorry, I cannot take another DCC with some of the same antics of some of the players that fill the action room that I have witnessed the past few years. It gets old and is not interesting to me.

And some of the best pool I have seen is watching Corey play Rafael and Corey playing Frost one pocket.

Mark Griffin - You are just being too nice. Yes the WPA only sanctions an event and doesn't choose dates but they could put some intelligent reasoning behind their sanctioning. Would that be too much to ask for? How about telling the Germans that the timing only makes sense due to some trade show but not to the rest of the pool world? Must be a hell of a trade show if they are going to spend $100K to put on a tournament to help promote it. Maybe the WPA doesn't speak German :eek:
 
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